Anti-vaxxers

ancapailldorcha

Orion wrote: »

Before social networks journalists actually did journalism. Science won. Now in the age of instant celebrity any gob$hite can set up a wootube channel.

Look at it another way - should Youtube restrict channels showing how to make bombs, or a channel that gives the names and addresses of black people to racists? These people are actually causing deaths in realtime - that's why they should be restricted imo.

Not the same thing.

If Zuckerberg were an anti-vaxxing climate science denier, would you support him purging his platform accordingly?

Orion

It is the same thing. They are endangering and killing people. They're not just urmagurd chemtrail idiots - they are actively causing death.

Your second line is a non-argument. We are talking about proven science and proof that people are dying because of these idiots.

ancapailldorcha

How many times in History has banning an ideology resulted in the demise of that ideology?

ohnonotgmail

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

How many times in History has banning an ideology resulted in the demise of that ideology?

Probably none. But if they do not have a platform for their views then their views will not spread as readily. Personally i think the genie is out of the bottle on this but it might stop their lies spreading further.

ancapailldorcha

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Probably none. But if they do not have a platform for their views then their views will not spread as readily. Personally i think the genie is out of the bottle on this but it might stop their lies spreading further.

I doubt it. Facebook has already grown as much as it's likely ever going to. There aren't really any new markets for it at present.

I think the demonetisation plan will achieve much of the same things without empowering the anti-vaxxers.

Dohnjoe

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I think the demonetisation plan will achieve much of the same things without empowering the anti-vaxxers.

Yeah I agree, it's a smart softly-softly approach that doesn't give them a "cause" to rally to

Igotadose

At least the governor of Arizona isn't as stupid as the rest of the Republican state legislators. They're trying to pass 'parental objection' bills, and already have a sub-90% coverage for measles vaccines.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2019/02/28/arizona-vaccine-laws-doug-ducey-veto-bills-could-erode-coverage-measles-public-health/3010450002/

Scratching Az as a place to vacation.

TheRepentent

Irish rate of measles up over 200%
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2019/0301/1033682-measles-unicef/


Well done to the antivaxxer scumbags.

eagle eye

I don't think it's fair to label people with a belief as scumbags.
That doesn't help anybody.
I'm shocked at the size of the increase but maybe it's just a case of somebody from/or visiting a smaller community bringing it to a much more populated area. It doesn't necessarily mean that more people are anti-vaxers.

TheRepentent

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't think it's fair to label people with a belief as scumbags.

Fuk em...their ignorance/willful stupidity has serious consequences. They're called vaxtards for a reason.

batgoat

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't think it's fair to label people with a belief as scumbags.
That doesn't help anybody.
I'm shocked at the size of the increase but maybe it's just a case of somebody from/or visiting a smaller community bringing it to a much more populated area. It doesn't necessarily mean that more people are anti-vaxers.

Irresponsible and endangering lives, reduced vaccine rates correlates with outbreaks.

sullivlo

Igotadose wrote: »

At least the governor of Arizona isn't as stupid as the rest of the Republican state legislators. They're trying to pass 'parental objection' bills, and already have a sub-90% coverage for measles vaccines.

https://eu.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2019/02/28/arizona-vaccine-laws-doug-ducey-veto-bills-could-erode-coverage-measles-public-health/3010450002/

Scratching Az as a place to vacation.

I’m going to Arizona in May

sullivlo

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't think it's fair to label people with a belief as scumbags.
That doesn't help anybody.
I'm shocked at the size of the increase but maybe it's just a case of somebody from/or visiting a smaller community bringing it to a much more populated area. It doesn't necessarily mean that more people are anti-vaxers.

I don’t think it’s fair for people to endanger the lives of sick people because of antivax bull.

kowloon

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

The other issue is that the perception of being suppressed will strengthen the anti-vaxxer narrative, ie that the elites are out to crush the true believers.

This. If someone is claiming to be fighting the good fight against suppression by [insert: government/mainstream media/big pharma or whatever] then the worst thing you can do is try to suppress it. It's as true for vaccines as it is for banning political parties and holocaust denial laws. It's easier for them to dig in than change their mind and can make them even more dogmatic.
The fight is for the people who aren't sure, the people who can still listen.

kylith

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm shocked at the size of the increase but maybe it's just a case of somebody from/or visiting a smaller community bringing it to a much more populated area. It doesn't necessarily mean that more people are anti-vaxers.

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean. If the rate of vaccine uptake in the larger population was what it should be there would have been no outbreak.

Paddy Cow

As far as I'm aware, I've had all my vaccines, including MMR. Do they last for life or should adults get a booster?

Brian?

I only found out last year that I never had the MMR. A lot of people in my family were allergic to one ingredient in the vaccine used in the 70s, so my parents skipped it. It’s borderline understandable, but incredibly annoying.

My next visit to the GP is going to be to discuss getting the MMR. I really need to prioritise this thanks to parents who wilfully ignore evidence and don’t vaccinate their children.

Igotadose

You do need a booster for the MMR. Check with your GP, at my age it's every 15 years now and I'm due one in a few. Note that my data are based on US schedules, might be different here and different based on age.

Brian?

Igotadose wrote: »

You do need a booster for the MMR. Check with your GP, at my age it's every 15 years now and I'm due one in a few. Note that my data are based on US schedules, might be different here and different based on age.

I have my doubts about the boosters given in the US. It seems like a bit of a racket to constantly update vaccines that are perfectly effective.

This is based on my experience with the healthcare system there. The ethos seems to be to get your back in to your doctors office as often as possible and medicate for everything.

My doctor in the US was horrified I didn’t go for a physical every year. Imagine waiting until you’re sick to go to a doctor, the horror!

babi-hrse

Brian? wrote: »

I have my doubts about the boosters given in the US. It seems like a bit of a racket to constantly update vaccines that are perfectly effective.

This is based on my experience with the healthcare system there. The ethos seems to be to get your back in to your doctors office as often as possible and medicate for everything.

My doctor in the US was horrified I didn’t go for a physical every year. Imagine waiting until you’re sick to go to a doctor, the horror!

This. Tv has made it seem your suppose to just wander in and take up your gp's time and ask them to do a cvrt on you when you feel perfectly fine.
So I scheduled an appointment out of the sheer fact I've never just gone to see if there was anything wrong.
It was a short conversation without doing too much. Listened to heart said your blood pressure is up do some exercise. That was pretty much it. No medications required just do some exercise and drink more water.

Igotadose

Washington state outbreak up to 68 cases now: https://kobi5.com/news/three-new-cases-in-washington-state-measles-outbreak-97172/
59 confirmed in un-immunized individuals.


"To date, the majority of lab results of confirmed cases have matched a wild strain of virus circulating in Eastern Europe. "

One of the individuals traveled to Hawaii. Another 2 moved to Georgia (the US state, presumably.) So, in all likelihood, the virus was on airplanes, too.

Tired Gardener

We are in a strange mixture of highly advanced knowledge, and willful ignorance.

Our understanding has grown so much that to some people it is seen as sorcery & witchcraft, or a conspiracy.

Conspiracies are popular now due to people's mistrust of governments and also because the more we as a species discover, the more we see just how random and ruderless the universe is. Some people can't handle the notion of there not being something in control. For them there has to be someone or something pulling the strings and directing events. Hence why most if not all conspiracy theories have a clandestine collective in control.

We're at a time where Human discoveries have come far enough to shelter people from any awareness of how bad things have been. Their ignorance of the past is used as an excuse to not get vaccinated.

Mix these two together and we end up with a very dangerous concoction.

kylith

Brian? wrote: »

I have my doubts about the boosters given in the US. It seems like a bit of a racket to constantly update vaccines that are perfectly effective.

I think it is a racket. I had blood taken when I went to the my first hospital appointment when I was pregnant and I was told that I 'was immune to everything should be immune too' and I certainly haven't had any boosters for my childhood vaccines. The only booster they suggested was whooping cough, and I wound up not getting it.

mulbot

kylith wrote: »

I think it is a racket. I had blood taken when I went to the my first hospital appointment when I was pregnant and I was told that I 'was immune to everything should be immune too' and I certainly haven't had any boosters for my childhood vaccines. The only booster they suggested was whooping cough, and I wound up not getting it.

So if you've not had boosters then are you potentially capable of spreading whooping cough?

Igotadose

kowloon wrote: »

This. If someone is claiming to be fighting the good fight against suppression by [insert: government/mainstream media/big pharma or whatever] then the worst thing you can do is try to suppress it. It's as true for vaccines as it is for banning political parties and holocaust denial laws. It's easier for them to dig in than change their mind and can make them even more dogmatic.
The fight is for the people who aren't sure, the people who can still listen.

Amazon's dropping anti-vax "documentaries." https://thehill.com/policy/technology/432301-amazon-pulls-anti-vaccine-documentaries

rm75

That KOC woman TD from FG is banging on about anti vacine articles on FB.
She's like the annoying mother you had in school always sticking her nose into things.

Akrasia

Igotadose wrote: »

You do need a booster for the MMR. Check with your GP, at my age it's every 15 years now and I'm due one in a few. Note that my data are based on US schedules, might be different here and different based on age.

No you don't. If you get your MMR and your booster as a child as part of the normal vaccination programme, you're covered for life

Akrasia

Its the same with dogs by the way. If your dog got the 7 in one and the booster as a puppy, then they are covered for life too. Annual pet vaccines are a waste of money and unnecessary risk to the animals

Igotadose

Akrasia wrote: »

No you don't. If you get your MMR and your booster as a child as part of the normal vaccination programme, you're covered for life

If you got it as a child, yes. If you didn't until you were an adult (I started mine in my '30s), I need a regular booster.

YMMV of course.

mzungu

Taken from Vaxopedia. Link: https://vaxopedia.org/2018/05/23/why-do-some-vaccines-need-boosters/

Why Do Some Vaccines Need Boosters?
Vaccines work.

They aren’t perfect though, which is why some vaccines need booster doses to help them provide long lasting protection.

Why Do Some Vaccines Need Boosters?
To be clear, just because you get more than one dose of a vaccine, that doesn’t make it a booster dose.

For example, infants get multiple doses of the DTaP, polio, Hib, hepatitis B, Prevnar, and rotavirus vaccines, but those are part of the primary series for those vaccines. They aren’t boosters.

“A “classical” prime-boost immunization schedule is, thus, to allow 4 to 6 months to elapse between priming and booster doses, hence the generic “0-1-6 month” (prime-prime-boost) schedule. Secondary antigen exposure thus results in the production of higher-affinity antibodies than primary responses.”

Classic booster doses are the:

4th and 5th dose of DTaP
2nd dose of hepatitis A
3rd dose of hepatitis B
4th dose of Hib
3rd dose of HPV
4th dose of Prevnar
4th dose of polio
2nd dose of meningococcal vaccines
most Tdap doses (if you are not due for a Tdap booster and are getting a dose because you are pregnant, than that probably wouldn’t be considered a booster dose)
2nd dose of Varivax (chicken pox vaccine)
But why do we need these booster doses?

While one or more doses of the primary series of the vaccine leads to the production of plasma cells and protective antibodies, the booster dose then causes a secondary immune response and the production of more long-lived plasma cells. That’s how we get higher levels of protective antibodies that will last longer.

Which Vaccines Don’t Need Boosters?
In general, live vaccines don’t need booster doses.

So why do we get a second dose of MMR?

This isn’t a classic booster dose. It protects the small percentage of people who don’t respond to the first dose.

Some folks may need a booster dose of the MMR vaccine in certain circumstances though, specifically if they are caught up in a mumps outbreak.