Anti-vaxxers

paul71

mountai wrote: »

Schools were instructed "Do not include any information other than , that issued by HSE ".
All the reactions I mentioned are listed in the PIL as " Possible side effects" .
I hope none of your children suffer from any illness , because if they do , I will not believe you .

On the other hand I am intimately acquainted with the side effect of non vaccination, you may have heard of it. It's called Death.

PopePalpatine

The great thing about living on a crappy rock is that not only is it physically isolated, no-one wants to visit it anyway and (inadvertently or otherwise) bring diseases with them.

DublinWriter

paul71 wrote: »

On the other hand I am intimately acquainted with the side effect of non vaccination, you may have heard of it. It's called Death.

Really? Amazing that Homo Sapiens have survived the best part of 300,000 years without it. Are you saying we should be extinct by now?

Seth Brundle

DublinWriter wrote: »

Really? Amazing that Homo Sapiens have survived the best part of 300,000 years without it. Are you saying we should be extinct by now?

Peoples life spans have increased due to modern medicines which include vaccines. Are you disagreeing with this fact?

Timberrrrrrrr

DublinWriter wrote: »

Really? Amazing that Homo Sapiens have survived the best part of 300,000 years without it. Are you saying we should be extinct by now?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNQ5ypbFSupiIF3qbCa8_NQIosW1Xg%3A1580067504553&ei=sOotXq2vIYy6gAa_95eoCg&q=life+expectancy+1600&oq=life+expectancy+1600&gs_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.0l3j0i22i30l5.1161.3388..4591...0.1..0.133.567.0j5......0....1.........0i71j0i67j33i160.hOTq8QDG2KA

17th-century English life expectancy was only about 35 years, largely because infant and child mortality remained high. Life expectancy was under 25 years in the early Colony of Virginia, and in seventeenth-century New England, about 40percent died before reaching adulthood.

mountai

paul71 wrote: »

On the other hand I am intimately acquainted with the side effect of non vaccination, you may have heard of it. It's called Death.

"Intimately acquainted" ??? . Make a comeback , did you !!.

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mountai wrote: »

"Intimately acquainted" ??? . Make a comeback , did you !!.

You're hilarious. Use that gag at funerals for our loved ones who died from what are now preventable diseases, thanks to vaccines, do you? Anybody who lost somebody close is intimately acquainted with the result of infections.

Dohnjoe

DublinWriter wrote: »

Really? Amazing that Homo Sapiens have survived the best part of 300,000 years without it. Are you saying we should be extinct by now?

Uhh, we died and were disfigured by our hundreds of millions. Have a read of what smallpox does to a person and how many have died from it (clue: hundreds of millions) We managed to invent something that has almost completely eradicated it

Jesus christ, some of the comments in this thread

Capt'n Midnight

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Uhh, we died and were disfigured by our hundreds of millions. Have a read of what smallpox does to a person and how many have died from it (clue: hundreds of millions) We managed to invent something that has almost completely eradicated it

Jesus christ, some of the comments in this thread

No.

300 million people died from smallpox in the 20th century.

ZERO deaths since 1978 because we completely eradicated it. (apart from the US and Russian disease lab samples)


Even if you believe that vaccines are unsafe they are far safer than the alternative.

Even if vaccines were unsafe for diseases we can completely eradicate you have to balance the risks today with the deaths every year, forever if you don't stop the disease now.

Polio, Guinea worm , yaws, rubella,river blindness, mumps and measles should be consigned to history ASAP.

Malaria too.

Ipso

DublinWriter wrote: »

Really? Amazing that Homo Sapiens have survived the best part of 300,000 years without it. Are you saying we should be extinct by now?

Some polio victims may disagree with you.

ancapailldorcha

DublinWriter wrote: »

Really? Amazing that Homo Sapiens have survived the best part of 300,000 years without it. Are you saying we should be extinct by now?

We should go back to the prehistoric way of living? Is this the point you're trying to make?

alchemist33

Plenty of these out there

ancapailldorcha

There are a few good ones alright:

paul71

DublinWriter wrote: »

Really? Amazing that Homo Sapiens have survived the best part of 300,000 years without it. Are you saying we should be extinct by now?

Amazing that billions died before it, you are talking about a population where women had to have 12 to 15 children in order to maintain zero population growth for a few hundred thousand years.

paul71

mountai wrote: »

"Intimately acquainted" ??? . Make a comeback , did you !!.

Read the thread, my 9 year old cousin was killed by anti vaxers like you. Much as would like him to make a comeback, there is none from that "side effect" of the poison you spread.

paul71

Maci Whining Pianist wrote: »

You're hilarious. Use that gag at funerals for our loved ones who died from what are now preventable diseases, thanks to vaccines, do you? Anybody who lost somebody close is intimately acquainted with the result of infections.

Yeah open invitation to him to come visit my cousins grave and explain his views to his mother, brother, sister and nephews and nieces he never got to meet.

mountai

Firstly , Im not an antivaxer , secondly , was it an illness that killed your cousin or did some person get charged with the death??.

Seth Brundle

mountai wrote: »

Firstly , Im not an antivaxer

when I read that I'm waiting for the "but..."

Igotadose

mountai wrote: »

Firstly , Im not an antivaxer , secondly , was it an illness that killed your cousin or did some person get charged with the death??.

Look back in this thread for the answer.

Igotadose

Interesting reading on autism. More and more evidence (real, honest to ghods evidence) of a genetic component. Not due to vaccines, of course.

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/genes-and-autism-more-evidence-that-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-vaccines/

Couple of quotes:

"The researchers performed the largest exome sequencing study of autism spectrum disorder (ASD) to date (n = 35,584 total samples, 11,986 with ASD)."


"102 genes are implicated in the risk for autism spectrum disorder."

Ping Chow Chi

Japan have one of the highest rates of autism, yet they have not had the MMR jabs for years I believe.

paul71

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mountai wrote: »

Firstly , Im not an antivaxer , secondly , was it an illness that killed your cousin or did some person get charged with the death??.

Absolute bull, you are an anti vaxer and your posting shows it. He died of measels, an easily preventable disease which would now be extinct like smallpox but is not because of the disgusting tactics of anti vaxers like you. As I have already said here I would like to see anti vaxers face criminal prosecution.

paul71

mountai wrote: »

Schools were instructed "Do not include any information other than , that issued by HSE ".
All the reactions I mentioned are listed in the PIL as " Possible side effects" .
I hope none of your children suffer from any illness , because if they do , I will not believe you .

Anti Vax drivel and garbage, emotional appeals based on no scientific fact. Fools may read this choose not to vacinate kids and the result is death.

CramCycle

paul71 wrote: »

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Absolute bull, you are an anti vaxer and your posting shows it. He died of measels, an easily preventable disease which would now be extinct like smallpox but is not because of the disgusting tactics of anti vaxers like you. As I have already said here I would like to see anti vaxers face criminal prosecution.

There was talk of charging Wakefield with Manslaughter in the UK. Corporate greed has had people charged with worse. In Ireland I think it would have been an interesting case in regards the SHWW act and have him charged with manslaughter. I think he could face 2 years and a 3million euro fine here if it were possible, not sure what the punishment is in the UK.

ancapailldorcha

CramCycle wrote: »

There was talk of charging Wakefield with Manslaughter in the UK. Corporate greed has had people charged with worse. In Ireland I think it would have been an interesting case in regards the SHWW act and have him charged with manslaughter. I think he could face 2 years and a 3million euro fine here if it were possible, not sure what the punishment is in the UK.

He lives in the US in a multimillion dollar mansion in the US and given that the Brits can't extradite Harry Dunn's killer then this sadly won't be happening soon.

CramCycle

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

He lives in the US in a multimillion dollar mansion and given that the Brits can't extradite Harry Dunn's killer then this sadly won't be happening soon.

It won't ever happen, it was more interesting. I don't think they ever put out charges (maybe they did), more an interesting point. He done this as a senior manager in business, his actions disregarded the safety of both employees/patients and consumers. I am wondering could it be done, I think it would fall under the remit of the SHWW Act, and would be an interesting test case, but like i said, not sure if it was realistically considered or if the UK has similar legislation.

DublinWriter

Ping Chow Chi wrote: »

Japan have one of the highest rates of autism, yet they have not had the MMR jabs for years I believe.

Any source for the claim on the high rates?

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijpedi/2018/5374725/

Wow, didn't realise Japan had banned the MMR...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html

paul71

DublinWriter wrote: »

Any source for the claim on the high rates?

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijpedi/2018/5374725/

Wow, didn't realise Japan had banned the MMR...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html

Are you back to start denying 350 million deaths from Smallpox after your last drivel post?

ancapailldorcha

DublinWriter wrote: »

Any source for the claim on the high rates?

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijpedi/2018/5374725/

Wow, didn't realise Japan had banned the MMR...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-17509/Why-Japan-banned-MMR-vaccine.html

The British Department of Health said Japan had used a type of MMR which included a strain of mumps vaccine that had particular problems and was discontinued in the UK because of safety concerns.

And they've had their biggest Measles outbreak in years recently:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/world/asia/japan-measles-outbreak.html

paul71

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

And they've had their biggest Measles outbreak in years recently:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/world/asia/japan-measles-outbreak.html

Yeap, 140,000 worldwide deaths from measles last year. A disease that should be extinct by now.