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    #3872
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Flange/Flanders wrote: »
    Highly insulting post, you can be pro vaccine, pro science and still pro life.
    Whilst I won't apologise for you holding your views, I did ask a question!
    If you were insulted then I believe you chose to be.


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    #3873
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,073 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    An anti-vax song. Well done to someone from Australia with a sense of humor (black humor, admittedly.)

    "We're making a comeback": https://youtu.be/jjxEe_j3IKI


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    #3874
    Annasopra
    Registered Users Posts: 40,980 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Amantine wrote: »
    As we know GlaxoSmithKline has a track record that is purer than snow.


    GlaxoSmithKline has faced a number of product liability lawsuits. Patients filing lawsuits accuse the company of manufacturing dangerous or defective products.

    Personal Injury Lawsuits Against GSK
    Paxil

    Suicidal thoughts and birth defects

    NOTABLE VERDICTS
    2009
    Philadelphia jurors awarded $2.5 million in a Paxil lawsuit filed by the family of 3-year-old born with severe heart malformations.
    2017
    Chicago jurors ordered GSK to pay $3 million to the widow of a corporate attorney who killed himself after taking a generic version of Paxil not made by GSK.
    NOTABLE SETTLEMENTS
    2006
    GSK settled thousands of addiction claims for a total of $160 million.
    2010
    GSK settled Paxil and pregnancy claims for $1.14 billion.
    2016
    GSK paid $6.2 million to settle a Canada class action lawsuit involving 50 mothers and their children.
    Avandia


    Strokes, heart attacks and heart failure

    NOTABLE SETTLEMENTS
    2010
    GSK settled over 10,000 Avandia lawsuits for more than $500 million.
    2011
    GSK agreed to pay $250 million to settle 5,500 death and injury claims.
    2011
    GSK set aside $6.4 billion for future lawsuits and settlements.
    Zofran


    Birth defects

    GSK Could Have Warned About Zofran Birth Defects, Families Say
    Michelle Llamas
    Michelle Llamas
    November 15, 2016
    LAWSUIT STATUS
    GSK faced 445 Zofran lawsuits in May 2018.

    Fraud, Misbranding & Failure to Report Safety Data
    In 2012, GlaxoSmithKline pleaded guilty to federal criminal ofenses. The company’s crimes included misbranding of its antidepressants Paxil and Wellbutrin. GSK also failed to report safety data to the FDA about its diabetes drug Avandia.

    GSK admitted to illegally promoting Paxil for treatment of depression in children.

    The company reached a civil settlement with the U.S. federal government in which it agreed to pay a fine of $3 billion.

    The plea represented the largest health care fraud settlement in U.S. history. It resolved allegations of pricing fraud.

    GSK reached a related civil settlement with the U.S. Justice Department. It resolved allegations of improper marketing of Advair and Zofran.

    So are you calling out Gemma O'Doherty on her Glaxo Smithkline award?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    #3875
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,073 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Nearly half of US states reporting measles outbreaks. Pennsylvania's the newest. That makes 23 out of 50. 764 cases so far nationwide.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/measles-cases-climbing_n_5cd041ace4b0548b735d701f


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    #3876
    Encephalopathy
    Registered Users Posts: 31 ✭Encephalopathy


    Igotadose wrote: »
    An anti-vax song. Well done to someone from Australia with a sense of humor (black humor, admittedly.)

    "We're making a comeback": https://youtu.be/jjxEe_j3IKI
    Since you're easily amused.


    https://www.theonion.com/cdc-warns-once-eradicated-jitterbug-spreading-across-co-1834301727


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    #3877
    VicMackey1
    Registered Users Posts: 253 ✭✭VicMackey1


    Encephalopathy wrote: »
    Since you're easily amused.


    https://www.theonion.com/cdc-warns-once-eradicated-jitterbug-spreading-across-co-1834301727

    Reminds me of the dancing plague of 1518


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    #3878
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Looks like the poster kid for anti-vaxx got chicken pox

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48205523


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    #3879
    hcf500
    Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭hcf500


    While I certainly wouldn't consider myself an anti vaxxer, I have to wonder why there are so so many kids that have had a bad reaction to Gardasil (hpv vaccine). I really think there is and have been suppression of side effects reporting, mainly by pharmacy companies.


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    #3880
    TheRepentent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    hcf500 wrote: »
    While I certainly wouldn't consider myself an anti vaxxer, I have to wonder why there are so so many kids that have had a bad reaction to Gardasil (hpv vaccine). I really think there is and have been suppression of side effects reporting, mainly by pharmacy companies.
    Yawn:rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Already been explained numerous times to the vaxtards on this thread

    Wanna support genocide?Cheer on the murder of women and children?The Ruzzians aren't rapey enough for you? Morally bankrupt cockroaches and islamaphobes , Israel needs your help NOW!!

    http://tinyurl.com/2ksb4ejk


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes

    https://www.btselem.org/



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    #3881
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    hcf500 wrote: »
    While I certainly wouldn't consider myself an anti vaxxer, I have to wonder why there are so so many kids that have had a bad reaction to Gardasil (hpv vaccine). I really think there is and have been suppression of side effects reporting, mainly by pharmacy companies.


    Oh hello new poster :rolleyes:

    Maybe read the thread that way we won't have to answer the same questions that I'm sure you're going to ask.


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    #3882
    hcf500
    Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭hcf500


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Oh hello new poster :rolleyes:

    Maybe read the thread that way we won't have to answer the same questions that I'm sure you're going to ask.

    Im sorry Im a new poster. Does that diminish my opinion? Ive heard all the excuses already for the hpv vaccine and none of them fit. I don't think reading a gazillion pages of this thread will reveal anything new to me.


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    #3883
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    hcf500 wrote: »
    While I certainly wouldn't consider myself an anti vaxxer, I have to wonder why there are so so many kids that have had a bad reaction to Gardasil (hpv vaccine). I really think there is and have been suppression of side effects reporting, mainly by pharmacy companies.
    What bad reactions to the vaccine? Have these been independently reviewed or are they the ones published in the latest edition of Tinfoil Hat Weekly?
    Can you please elaborate on which side effects have been suppressed by the pharma companies?
    hcf500 wrote: »
    Im sorry Im a new poster. Does that diminish my opinion? Ive heard all the excuses already for the hpv vaccine and none of them fit. I don't think reading a gazillion pages of this thread will reveal anything new to me.
    Again, which excuses?
    No, I think that you're right in that you won't benefit from the gazillion pages given your reluctance to read through pages citing facts: you might actually learn something and that can't be good, right?


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    #3884
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,800 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    hcf500 wrote: »
    Im sorry Im a new poster. Does that diminish my opinion? Ive heard all the excuses already for the hpv vaccine and none of them fit. I don't think reading a gazillion pages of this thread will reveal anything new to me.

    There has been a consistent spate of "new users" and rereg's turning up claiming that they support vaccines but they have doubts about X or Y. They continue that line for awhile, then the mask slips and they often go into full batshiat anti-vax mode

    Not saying you are like that, but it happens so much that regular posters are highly skeptical by this stage. Doubts about vaccines have been addressed exhaustively, but as always it takes more effort to refute bull**** than to create it. Would recommend reading the thread for those explanations


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    #3885
    hcf500
    Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭hcf500


    Dohnjoe wrote: »
    There has been a consistent spate of "new users" and rereg's turning up claiming that they support vaccines but they have doubts about X or Y. They continue that line for awhile, then the mask slips and they often go into full batshiat anti-vax mode

    Not saying you are like that, but it happens so much that regular posters are highly skeptical by this stage. Doubts about vaccines have been addressed exhaustively, but as always it takes more effort to refute bull**** than to create it. Would recommend reading the thread for those explanations

    Fair enough. I cant say I am completely up to speed when it comes to vaccines but I read a very convincing article in the Daily Mail a few months ago that linked aluminium to vaccine problems.


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    #3886
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,742 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    hcf500 wrote: »
    I read a very convincing article in the Daily Mail


    Yeah its 99% likely nothing in that article was true or it was entirely misrepresented to get clicks.


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    #3887
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    hcf500 wrote: »
    Fair enough. I cant say I am completely up to speed when it comes to vaccines but I read a very convincing article in the Daily Mail a few months ago that linked aluminium to vaccine problems.
    Aha I see your mistake there!


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    #3888
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,617 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    hcf500 wrote: »
    Fair enough. I cant say I am completely up to speed when it comes to vaccines but I read a very convincing article in the Daily Mail a few months ago that linked aluminium to vaccine problems.

    So you're against vaccines but you can't really be bothered to explain why in any meaningful or original manner. Moreso, you allude to the existence of some vague article with the implication that we're supposed to find it for you.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3889
    hcf500
    Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭hcf500


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    So you're against vaccines but you can't really be bothered to explain why in any meaningful or original manner. Moreso, you allude to the existence of some vague article with the implication that we're supposed to find it for you.


    Never said I was against vaccines!


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    #3890
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,617 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    hcf500 wrote: »
    Never said I was against vaccines!

    Of course. You just happen to say things that such people are in the habit of saying.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3891
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I'm not against vaccines but...


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    #3892
    hcf500
    Registered Users Posts: 173 ✭✭hcf500


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    I'm not against vaccines but...


    Please go on. Finish what you want to say


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    #3893
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    hcf500 wrote: »
    Please go on. Finish what you want to say
    I'm just paraphrasing you and your Daily Mail article!


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    #3894
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    hcf500 wrote: »
    Fair enough. I cant say I am completely up to speed when it comes to vaccines but I read a very convincing article in the Daily Mail a few months ago that linked aluminium to vaccine problems.

    Ah here if no one else will say it then i will,

    How about you skip steps 2,3,4,5 & 6 and just go straight to calling us sheeple.


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    #3895
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,889 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    hcf500 wrote: »
    Fair enough. I cant say I am completely up to speed when it comes to vaccines but I read a very convincing article in the Daily Mail a few months ago that linked aluminium to vaccine problems.
    Was this the UK Daily Mail who were running a campaign against that vaccine ?

    Or was it the Irish Daily Mail that was running a campaign for the vaccine ?


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    #3896
    Igotadose
    Registered Users Posts: 13,073 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    hcf500 wrote: »
    Fair enough. I cant say I am completely up to speed when it comes to vaccines but I read a very convincing article in the Daily Mail a few months ago that linked aluminium to vaccine problems.

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daily_Mail

    Interested in aluminum and vaccines? Have a look here: https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/aluminum-in-vaccines-paper-anti-vaxxer-claims/


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    #3897
    CelticRambler
    Registered Users Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    hcf500 wrote: »
    I read a very convincing article in the Daily Mail ...

    You might want to review your choice of reading material. :rolleyes:

    The Daily Mail’s List Of Things That Give You Cancer: From A To Z - all very convincing, and backed by "studies" and "research" ... :cool:


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    #3898
    banie01
    Registered Users Posts: 16,561 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    CelticRambler wrote: »
    You might want to review your choice of reading material. :rolleyes:

    The Daily Mail’s List Of Things That Give You Cancer: From A To Z - all very convincing, and backed by "studies" and "research" ... :cool:

    Not gonna lie...
    I'm actually amazed that vaccines aren't on the list :pac:


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    #3899
    mzungu
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,307 Mod ✭✭✭✭mzungu


    banie01 wrote: »
    Not gonna lie...
    I'm actually amazed that vaccines aren't on the list :pac:

    Give it time! :D


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    #3900
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,617 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    mzungu wrote: »
    Give it time! :D

    Along with not being vaccinated.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #3901
    waxmoth
    Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭waxmoth


    The FDA have significant concerns regarding the use of ‘tumorigenic and tumor derived cells’ in some vaccines.
    The urgent demand for vaccines against emerging diseases has necessitated the use of novel cell substrates. These include tumorigenic cells such as MDCK and CHO cells (for influenza virus vaccines), 293 and PER.C6 cells (for adenovirus-vectored HIV-1 and other vaccines), and tumor-derived cells such as HeLa cells (for HIV-1 vaccines).

    The use of tumorigenic and tumor-derived cells is a major safety concern due to the potential presence of viruses such as retroviruses and oncogenic DNA viruses that could be associated with tumorigencity, Therefore, detection of persistent, latent DNA viruses, and endogenous retroviruses in vaccine cell substrates is important for vaccine safety, particularly in the development of live viral vaccines, where there are no or minimal virus inactivation and removal steps during vaccine manufacturing.
    https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/biologics-research-projects/investigating-viruses-cells-used-make-vaccines-and-evaluating-potential-threat-posed-transmission


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