pigtown wrote: »
What ever happened to the last mid-western transport strategy?
namloc1980 wrote: »
This won't happen - not in this half century anyway. At best Limerick should aim for improved functional bus service on major routes in and out and upgrading and using the heavy rail infrastructure that already exists. Light rail is a pipe dream though.
ClovenHoof wrote: »
Makes a hell of a lot more sense than the Western Rail Corridor ever did. Alingments though populated areas all around the city.
There are cities in Europe with populations under 50K that have light rail services so get over yourself some of you.
bk wrote: »
You have to remember that most of the route that Luas takes in Dublin is along an old railway line that was retained and kept in ownership for almost 50 years before Luas was eventually built on it.
bk wrote: »
I agree with both of you above, but I do think that priority number one for both Limerick and Cork is to get the damn M20 built.
Priority number two (hopefully in parallel) is to improve their bus services greatly. No point in talking about fancy light rail when you have a very poor bus service and very few people using it. Light rail (Luas) is what you do when buses reach their maximum capacity (as in the road capacity, a bus being full when you have a bus only every 30 minutes doesn't count!). I don't know Limerick well, but I suspect neither Cork nor Limerick are anywhere near that point yet. You need to learn to walk before you run.
In fairness I do know that the quality of the bus services is coming on in leaps and bounds in Cork, I hope that the same is happening in Limerick.
Of course it is a very good idea to plan ahead for having light rail some time in future. Plan where the line would go, retain ownership of the route, encourage high density development along the route, etc.
This is something that Cork has been doing with the Cork Area Strategic Plan and the new plans for the Docklands down there.
You have to remember that most of the route that Luas takes in Dublin is along an old railway line that was retained and kept in ownership for almost 50 years before Luas was eventually built on it. Limerick and Cork most likely need to be thinking ahead 50 years like this, rather then expecting to be getting this sort of development in the short term.
SeanW wrote: »
You're right about most of this, but not all. It isn't necessary to wait for the roads to be maxed out with full buses to build light rail. Because light rail attracts people to public transport in a way that buses never do. Buses are noisy, smelly, slow, bouncy and they're less than ideal for people with luggage, wheelchairs, prams and so on. Electric trams are quiet, clean (at the point of use, though the electricity to supply them may not be) a little faster when they have offline rights of way, smooth and with level boarding, are better for people who have any kind of mobility restriction.
SeanW wrote: »
Nobody likes using the bus.
wordofwarning wrote: »
So instead of using modern, clean and smooth buses we should just throw a ton of money at a Luas line?
Literally 80% of the problems you have listed with buses can be addressed with newer modern buses ie the new Dublin Buses are actually pretty nice to ride on. They have tons of room for prams etc.
If someone has notions, that they won't use public transport
I find it hard that they will love a luas where they will likely be standing rather than sitting on a bus.
A BRT is a good compromise for smaller cities. It is like a tram without the cost. But there is zero point in throwing money at a BRT or Luas as there is no desire to fix the existing issue with buses ie poor timing etc.
That's not true for a large number of people.
roadmaster wrote: »
The way technology is going at the moment I am sure electric buses that will have a good range are only around the corner. Surely this would be the way to go with a public transport system for our smaller cities like limerick and larger towns. They would be good for the environment and would not need streets to be dug up like a rail system. Once they are ran effectifly and the hours/ routes people want it would be win win
loyatemu wrote: »
Belfast is much bigger than either city and they've gone with BRT.
Victor wrote: »
And because they make buses in Ballymena.
wally79 wrote: »
Light rail is a great solution. Based in Dublin and I can get a seat on the bus from right outside my door which drops me 5 mins from work or walk 10 minutes to stand on the luas which drops me 10 minutes from work.
Luas wins every time because I know exactly how long my commute will take every day. I'm not at the mercy of variables like the schools going back or people driving on a wet day.
bk wrote: »
I think everyone would agree that Light Rail is nicer then bus. But you do have to keep in mind the cost of it. It cost €700 million to build the two Luas lines and the current Luas Cross City project costs €365 million. So that is a total of over €1 billion!
Middle Man wrote: »