ISIS Terrorist Attack in Barcelona

Somedude9

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Looks they might have killed the scumbag on the run
Man wearing an explosive belt shot down west of Barcelona

http://dailym.ai/2x6s9uX

Barcelona attack: 'Man shot' in hunt for suspect
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41004603

Hurrah! for humankind

wakka12

BillyBobBS wrote: »

It now seems the car actually rammed into two bus stops this morning in Marsellie. I wonder if it's possible this could be linked to the Barcelona attack, could it be the same guy?

Marseille crash is not terror related

Stephen15

wakka12 wrote: »

Marseille crash is not terror related

The got me thinking remember the 2004 Wellington Quay bus crash. If that had happened today people would be thinking it was terror related.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

The catch 22 of Europe 'don't try and stop these terrorists or we will make more terrorists'

All the more reason I wouldn't want to see Ireland make the same mistakes as our neighbours.

Strawman argument.

Nobody said the idea of stopping a terrorist should be avoided. Punishing an entire religion, on the other hand, should, it's a knee jerk reaction and it's a highly unintelligent strategy.

magnolia1 wrote: »

part and parcelona of living in big city

People died horrifically, your post is idiotic.

Richard Hillman

Gringo180 wrote: »

Scum of the earth. These lads proclaiming to be Muslim but in the same breath are high on drink and drugs when committing these crimes. Pity they couldnt take him alive.

They get absolved of sin after Martyrdom before getting their 40 virgins. The 9-11 terrorists were drinking in strip clubs a few nights before the attacks.

It is mental how brainwashed they are. They genuinely, wholeheartedly believe this with not a hint of doubt.

mezzz

Brandon Thousands Axe wrote: »

Strawman argument.

Nobody said the idea of stopping a terrorist should be avoided. Punishing an entire religion, on the other hand, should, it's a knee jerk reaction and it's a highly unintelligent strategy.



People died horrifically, your post is idiotic.

part and parcelona is obvously a reference to your co-religionist telling londoners to get used to white van ssmashing down kids, as the good people of barcelona have to learn, its bart and barcel,

but ya, you get mad at the people playing wordgames, not at your brothers driving the vans

end of the road

mezzz wrote: »

part and parcelona is obvously a reference to your co-religionist telling londoners to get used to white van ssmashing down kids, as the good people of barcelona have to learn, its bart and barcel,

except his non-co-religionist didn't tell anyone anything of the sort.

mezzz wrote: »

but ya, you get mad at the people playing wordgames, not at your brothers driving the vans

they aren't his brothers.

Hector Savage

RasTa wrote: »

Crazy how young they all are

Not really, they all have been manipulated and lied to, I never thought I'd say this but looking at the stories about him as a younger kid and seeing photos of him, he looked like a nice lad.

It's a shame how religion and fanaticism can posion the mind - on all sides.

seachto7

Hector Savage wrote: »

Not really, they all have been manipulated and lied to, I never thought I'd say this but looking at the stories about him as a younger kid and seeing photos of him, he looked like a nice lad.

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Hector Savage

seachto7 wrote: »

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The radical imams got these lads as they were young and vulnerable, convinced them of an eternity in heaven with 72 virgins nonsense - all lies to get them to do dirty work - and don't get captured alive.


****ers.

This is why all schools need to be secular, if kids are educated in Science and reason from a young age they won't fall for this crap.

cfuserkildare

I find it odd that Radicalisation only seems to occur to people from lesser " Advanced Societies ",
How come we don't see Danes or Swiss, or German, or Welsh people from old, long native bloodlines becoming Radicalised?

EagererBeaver

cfuserkildare wrote: »

I find it odd that Radicalisation only seems to occur to people from lesser " Advanced Societies ",
How come we don't see Danes or Swiss, or German, or Welsh people from old, long native bloodlines becoming Radicalised?

What about Norwegians? Or Americans?

cfuserkildare

EagererBeaver wrote: »

What about Norwegians? Or Americans?

Interesting,

I hadn't thought about the Norwegians, How many of them have converted to a religion that teaches them to " Kill the Infidel "? And then actually acted it out?


Americans cannot really be counted in my earlier statement, as they are the biggest ethnically mixed nation.

The_Valeyard

cfuserkildare wrote: »

I find it odd that Radicalisation only seems to occur to people from lesser " Advanced Societies ",
How come we don't see Danes or Swiss, or German, or Welsh people from old, long native bloodlines becoming Radicalised?

Well, the Germans did have a history of becoming radicalised in the very near past.

cfuserkildare

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Well, the Germans did have a history of becoming radicalised in the very near past.

Soceo-Political upheaval as was happening in 1930s Germany is a completely different event to the teachings of a religion that has been attempting to dispose of everyone else for the last 1450 years.

Don't you think?

Dyr

Hector Savage wrote: »

Not really, they all have been manipulated and lied to, I never thought I'd say this but looking at the stories about him as a younger kid and seeing photos of him, he looked like a nice lad.

It's a shame how religion and fanaticism can posion the mind - on all sides.

A nice lad who was somehow completely turned around from nice lad and convinced to drive over women and children.

F*ck him.

seachto7

Hector Savage wrote: »

The radical imams got these lads as they were young and vulnerable, convinced them of an eternity in heaven with 72 virgins nonsense - all lies to get them to do dirty work - and don't get captured alive.


****ers.

This is why all schools need to be secular, if kids are educated in Science and reason from a young age they won't fall for this crap.

Were they vulnerable though? Don't some of the news articles quote people who played football with them etc?

222233

seachto7 wrote: »

Were they vulnerable though? Don't some of the news articles quote people who played football with them etc?

I don't agree that they are vulnerable there may be some cases where that might be true.

Social psychologists Stephen D. Reicher and S. Alexander Haslam make the case that most terrorists are not psychopaths or sadists, much as we would like to believe. Instead the majority are ordinary people, shaped by group dynamics to do harm in the name of a cause they find noble and just.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/special-report-the-psychology-of-terrorism/


Some of the research is quite interesting.

Hector Savage

cfuserkildare wrote: »

I find it odd that Radicalisation only seems to occur to people from lesser " Advanced Societies ",
How come we don't see Danes or Swiss, or German, or Welsh people from old, long native bloodlines becoming Radicalised?

Good education I would say.
I see the comment about Norway, presumably meaning Anders Brevik - very exceptional case and he wasn't motivated by religion.

The USA ? again, education

Terrible public school system.

222233

Hector Savage wrote: »

Good education I would say.
I see the comment about Norway, presumably meaning Anders Brevik - very exceptional case and he wasn't motivated by religion.

The USA ? again, education

Terrible public school system.

There is actually very little evidence to prove that being disadvantaged in some way plays a part in the radicalisation of an individual. It seems to be more along the lines of self assumed injustices and collective identity

ilkhanid

cfuserkildare wrote: »

I find it odd that Radicalisation only seems to occur to people from lesser " Advanced Societies ",
How come we don't see Danes or Swiss, or German, or Welsh people from old, long native bloodlines becoming Radicalised?

Radicalisation comes from discontents, stresses and unresolved issues within societies. Europe has been relatively peaceful since 1945 because the institutions put in place by consensus were able to deal with problems like nationalism, separatism, extreme rightism and leftism. Places like the Middle East have never been able to build a set of institutions that reflect shared values.
But even advanced societies like, say, Norway, can never be totally immune to the old legacies of hatred, as Anders Breivik showed.

Widdershins

Hector Savage wrote: »

The radical imams got these lads as they were young and vulnerable, convinced them of an eternity in heaven with 72 virgins nonsense - all lies to get them to do dirty work - and don't get captured alive.


****ers.

This is why all schools need to be secular, if kids are educated in Science and reason from a young age they won't fall for this crap.

Now would be a good time for the English government to withdraw all funding from Islamic schools in England. Children shouldn't be allowed to be indoctrinated, segregated by gender and an imposed religion.

quintana76

There should also be an investigation into the funding of the Clonskeagh mosque. The content of the preaching and the provenance of the invited preachers should be thoroughly investigated. Established Muslim Brotherhood connections should be mapped out.
I know daddy Halawa is a massive figure in that organisation. Everybody knows it is basically a MB supporting mosque.

All this would happen in a rational society with a rational leadership. Not a chance in Ireland.
What happens is that our grandstanding new Taoiseach goes there for yet another photo op right after the Dublin gay pride parade.
I mean, that is so messed up on so many levels.

Aristotle145

EagererBeaver wrote: »

What about Norwegians? Or Americans?

Norway have the same problem with naive lefties as every other european state.
When the truth really comes out,the lefties really goes ballistic.
But they have atleast someone who dares to oppose them.
http://norwaytoday.info/news/listhaug-pointed-finger-main-speaker/

And the results speak for itself,allthough the left dont agree.
https://www.thelocal.no/20170516/number-of-asylum-centres-in-norway-drops-sharply
http://uk.businessinsider.com/asylum-seekers-arriving-in-norway-decrease-2016-7

Gringo180

cfuserkildare wrote: »

Soceo-Political upheaval as was happening in 1930s Germany is a completely different event to the teachings of a religion that has been attempting to dispose of everyone else for the last 1450 years.

Don't you think?

What Muslim country are you speaking of? I dont recall any in recent times that has been trying to dispose of everyone else?

Nettle Soup

Widdershins wrote: »

Now would be a good time for the English government to withdraw all funding from Islamic schools in England. Children shouldn't be allowed to be indoctrinated, segregated by gender and an imposed religion.

Religion should not be taught in any educational institutions. All religions cause more harm than good. I think in 100 years time, people will be flabbergasted at how religious people were and what they did in the name of religion. Its time to move on, organised religions are designed to control people but are a complete waste of time.

Widdershins

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Religion should not be taught in any educational institutions. All religions cause more harm than good. I think in 100 years time, people will be flabbergasted at how religious people were and what they did in the name of religion. Its time to move on, organised religions are designed to control people but are a complete waste of time.

I agree generally but it's England, the CofE schools are pretty mild as it goes. It's barely a religion at all now. It's also their 'native' religion so it makes some sense that they're *still* funding it since it was always that way, and I'd agree with them gradually withdrawing funding in favour of secular schools. I don't know what they were thinking when they began funding Islamic schools in the first place not so long ago, when it should be a move away from religious schools.

BillyBobBS

Nettle Soup wrote: »

Religion should not be taught in any educational institutions. All religions cause more harm than good. I think in 100 years time, people will be flabbergasted at how religious people were and what they did in the name of religion. Its time to move on, organised religions are designed to control people but are a complete waste of time.

Agree 100% but Islam is a couple of hundred years behind the rest of us in terms of enlightenment. It's going to take more than a hundred years for them to catch up but on a positive note the catholic church will be only a footnote in history by then.

The_Kew_Tour

If things keep going on the graph its currently going in 100 years time wont be a place for certain minorities and women.

That's the problem.

Of course things like climate change, wars could change things but thats another matter

Snake Plisken

quintana76 wrote: »

There should also be an investigation into the funding of the Clonskeagh mosque. The content of the preaching and the provenance of the invited preachers should be thoroughly investigated. Established Muslim Brotherhood connections should be mapped out.
I know daddy Halawa is a massive figure in that organisation. Everybody knows it is basically a MB supporting mosque.

All this would happen in a rational society with a rational leadership. Not a chance in Ireland.
What happens is that our grandstanding new Taoiseach goes there for yet another photo op right after the Dublin gay pride parade.
I mean, that is so messed up on so many levels.

I await End of the Road's standard reply of "No there shouldn't"
In all seriousness have a read of Mark Humpries article on it and some of the "interesting" individuals who have been invited to speak there
http://markhumphrys.com/clonskeagh.html