Climate Change, Feminism, White Genocide, Donald Trump

It seems increasingly the case that if you observe a person's opinion on any one of the above four topics, the chances are you will immediately deduce their opinion on the other three (and often, perhaps: Islam, millennials, Brexit, RTE, among others)

Any time I notice someone use the word 'feminazi' on the likes of Facebook or Twitter, a quick glance at their profile usually indicates Euroscepticism, for example. They tend to hold feminists and millenials in the same ire as the 'mainstream media' and Islam.

What's the link here? Is there some secret logical thread connecting these dots?

It's a bizarre thing to observe someone's use of the word 'feminazi' and (usually*) know their opinion on issues from Brexit to... windmills.

What's the story?

*Usually: obviously there must be some Trump supporters who disagree with Brexit and support environmentalism, and who like 'milennials', or vice versa, but it's pretty rare

Falthyron

Boredom. Human fúcking boredom.

Ubbquittious

It's as if these people went to college in the States and after a few weeks they were invited to the frat house to get laid.

Upon reaching the entrance of the frat house they were informed "Dude, you need an ideology to get into the frat house maan!"

"Hey dude there's a guy selling ideologies over there, get one quick then you can come in and get laid"

(lad walks over to fella dressed in American flag holding a pack of ideologies and quickly picks up an off-the-shelf ideology before heading back to the frat house to drop his pants)

No independent thought required.

Winterlong

It's the politics of fear.
White men afraid that their power and place in the world is receding.

Sleepy

I'd fly in the face of that rule tbh... I'm anti-feminist as I believe it's become a group (in the Western World at least) that effectively lobbys against rather than for equality, but I believe Climate Change is real, Donald Trump is a reality TV star whose elevation to the Oval Office is a sad reflection of the failings of the American education system and I don't even recognise the term "White Genocide"?

Islam makes me uncomfortable though tbh. I don't like the religion's treatment of women and while I agree that people have the right to their religious beliefs, and not to be discriminated against for holding them, I think they're all nonsense and have no place in education, healthcare or any public institution.

Sleepy

Sleepy wrote: »

I'd fly in the face of that rule tbh... I'm anti-feminist as I believe it's become a group (in the Western World at least) that effectively lobbys against rather than for equality, but I believe Climate Change is real, Donald Trump is a reality TV star whose elevation to the Oval Office is a sad reflection of the failings of the American education system and I don't even recognise the term "White Genocide"?

Well I'm mainly talking about the employment of derogatory language like 'feminazi' as opposed to 'everyone who doesn't identify as a feminist'.

Nevertheless, there are outliers, of course.

jebus28

There's plenty of people with nuanced views. Unfortunately the far left and the far right are the people that shout the loudest.

osarusan

When talking about the far left or right, it's a bunch of extremely fragile people moaning about how others have uncritically adopted an entire warped ideology and use it to sling about empty terms and blame everybody else for everything, while not having the self-awareness to realise they are guilty of exactly the same thing as those they criticise.

RayM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What's the link here? Is there some secret logical thread connecting these dots?

Total absence of empathy.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades!

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It seems increasingly the case that if you observe a person's opinion on any one of the above four topics, the chances are you will immediately deduce their opinion on the other three (and often, perhaps: Islam, millennials, Brexit, RTE, among others)

Any time I notice someone use the word 'feminazi' on the likes of Facebook or Twitter, a quick glance at their profile usually indicates Euroscepticism, for example. They tend to hold feminists and millenials in the same ire as the 'mainstream media' and Islam.

What's the link here? Is there some secret logical thread connecting these dots?

It's a bizarre thing to observe someone's use of the word 'feminazi' and (usually*) know their opinion on issues from Brexit to... windmills.

What's the story?

*Usually: obviously there must be some Trump supporters who disagree with Brexit and support environmentalism, and who like 'milennials', or vice versa, but it's pretty rare

The link is that they see things like the EU or liberals as disempowering them and things like sticking it to the man (or EU, or feminazis, or environmentalists, or anyone who wants them to modify their behaviour) as empowering. Trump is a boor, bulldozing to get the results he wants, and he's an aspirational figure for the masses who would love to just take what they want or say what they want, but feel they're being stifled by the 'PC brigade'.

I forget who said it but I read someone saying that Trump is not a strong man, but he's what weak men think a strong man is like. The weak men who get upset because a woman complains about being groped (instead of just shutting up like in the good old days when men ruled the world and the roost) are the ones who will stand behind ole Grab 'Em By The Pussy until the very bitter end.

The motivated ignorance of accepting such catchphrases as 'Fake News' even when it's a blatant truth is also a feature of the same crowd. Nothing is allowed challenge their view that Muslims, feminazis, libtards, leftists, and the mainstream meeja are everything that's wrong with the world. They need a saviour like Trump or Farage - or Jeremy Clarkson! - to restore the world to the utopia when men were men and women and johnny foreigner knew their place.

It's handy to have something or someone to blame for everything wrong with your life while also giving you a cause. I'm being slightly tongue in cheek here. Slightly.

The problem with this ilk is that there are sometimes decent points to be made in among the dung, but the smell of bigotry and intolerance is so overpowering that they're missed or dismissed as being more of the same and nobody takes anything they say seriously. Motivated ignorance can work from both sides.

Syphonax

White Genocide? Presumably thats the same thing as White genocide conspiracy theory on wikipedia? I literally never came across this before. If this is believable then im going to re-read the Holocaust denial theory.

Grayson

It's a bubble. People with one view generally end up talking to others who hold the same views online. Then they come in contact with other stuff and buy into it too.

That's a generalisation of course so it's not true always but it is to a certain extent. I'd say that if you hold one of those opinions it increases your chance of holding another. When you hold two opinions there's an even greater chance of picking up a third. And this works for most groups, not just the right wing.

And as i said, it's a generalisation. I said there's a chance, not that they will.

Grayson

Syphonax wrote: »

White Genocide? Presumably thats the same thing as White genocide conspiracy theory on wikipedia? I literally never came across this before. If this is believable then im going to re-read the Holocaust denial theory.

I've seen it here a few times. generally they bring up Peter Sutherland and say that "Liberals" and "Neo liberals" and "Globalists" want to swamp people with foreigners (generally muslims) so that they destroy european culture and race.

The Backwards Man

I don't share my views on any of those subjects here, I'm too busy showing my contempt for useless goodfornothing cnuts!.

topper75

Whites are keen on the sex, not so much on the babas though; ergo - their own fault.
That said, Sutherland is probably the President Jackson of our times. If you feel he has our interests at heart - go ahead. I won't be joining you. The EU are power-hungry federalists who will walk over us to their goal. In fact, they already have several times. Britain won't be the last to leave. A currency union without fiscal union was utterly insane, akin to giving a single person in Busaras control of all the coaches' brakepedals around Ireland.
I would be pro women's rights and equality. Only a bitter bastard would argue against it. Trump is a reality TV nonce. Humans aren't powerful enough to alter climate in either direction to any meaningful extent. They are ants on a beach ball. Millenials can't be judged against other generations because their circumstances are entirely different. I admire them and wish them well.

So OP - can you package me up and sell me?

Widdershins

It sounds like you're fond of labelling people and putting them in a box.

andekwarhola

I think the majority of people hold more nuanced views but the crazed margins just seem more prevalent online.

A Little Pony

You would think the way some 'feminists' rabbit on in countries like the US or UK or IRE they were living under brutal Islamic oppression. I can perfectly understand feminism during the times of Pankhurst but some just want to chase the next 'civil rights' case, make themselves feel good and hope this generation did something,  even if it is ridiculous.

professore

Sleepy wrote: »

I'd fly in the face of that rule tbh... I'm anti-feminist as I believe it's become a group (in the Western World at least) that effectively lobbys against rather than for equality, but I believe Climate Change is real, Donald Trump is a reality TV star whose elevation to the Oval Office is a sad reflection of the failings of the American education system and I don't even recognise the term "White Genocide"?

Islam makes me uncomfortable though tbh. I don't like the religion's treatment of women and while I agree that people have the right to their religious beliefs, and not to be discriminated against for holding them, I think they're all nonsense and have no place in education, healthcare or any public institution.

Can I join your ideology?

Syphonax

Syphonax wrote: »

White Genocide? Presumably thats the same thing as White genocide conspiracy theory on wikipedia? I literally never came across this before. If this is believable then im going to re-read the Holocaust denial theory.

It's not something you tend to observe in this tranquil corner of the internet, more on Twitter and Facebook.

What are the chances this shower oppose Trump, favour environmentalism, and have no strong feelings towards, say, transgender people?

https://twitter.com/BurningRomeInc/status/897108810967502848

https://twitter.com/Death_Thumbs/status/897102244281241600

https://twitter.com/TomFauld/status/897101508310859777

https://twitter.com/MaryLuvsFreedom/status/897101001584455684

https://twitter.com/EDMLive/status/897097931240742912

Widdershins

Widdershins wrote: »

It sounds like you're fond of labelling people and putting them in a box.

Only if they're white. All part of the great white genocide (for safety's sake, I identify as a 53-year old black trucker named Yolanda).

The_Valeyard

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Only if they're white. All part of the great white genocide (for safety's sake, I identify as a 53-year old black trucker named Yolanda).

You used the word 'black'


Racist.

professore

The_Valeyard wrote: »

You used the word 'black'


Racist.

It's OK if he's actually black ... oh wait, colour and race are social constructs, so we should all go round calling each other the "n" word.

eyerer

I see the same thing. People hide it in real life but it's there.
I don't know what white genocide is, but white guilt is the basis of political correctness. Only a white person can be racist and only a man can be sexist, etc.

The_Valeyard

professore wrote: »

It's OK if he's actually black ... oh wait, colour and race are social constructs, so we should all go round calling each other the "n" word.

Naggers?

Dravokivich

Only one of those issues can have an impact on me getting bread at the end of the day. The rest of'em can stir it up amongst themselves.

Lux23

A Little Pony wrote: »

You would think the way some 'feminists' rabbit on in countries like the US or UK or IRE they were living under brutal Islamic oppression. I can perfectly understand feminism during the times of Pankhurst but some just want to chase the next 'civil rights' case, make themselves feel good and hope this generation did something,  even if it is ridiculous.

So, women should just shut up and be happy with the inequalities that still exist? Because you don't think they are bad enough?

A Little Pony

Lux23 wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

You would think the way some 'feminists' rabbit on in countries like the US or UK or IRE they were living under brutal Islamic oppression. I can perfectly understand feminism during the times of Pankhurst but some just want to chase the next 'civil rights' case, make themselves feel good and hope this generation did something,  even if it is ridiculous.

So, women should just shut up and be happy with the inequalities that still exist? Because you don't think they are bad enough?

Name some. Please don't say gender pay gap because that is nonsense. Women in the workforce have different lifestyles generally and take leave more often. If you said to me women didn't have the vote, weren't allowed to work or oppressed under religious subjugation like many are in the Muslim world, I would agree with you.

_Dara_

Candie wrote: »

I forget who said it but I read someone saying that Trump is not a strong man, but he's what weak men think a strong man is like.

I think it was Peggy Noonan who said that. And she's an old school Republican too. I certainly read a recent article by her which was along those lines.

_Dara_

_Dara_ wrote: »

I think it was Peggy Noonan who said that. And she's an old school Republican too. I certainly read a recent article by her which was along those lines.

The one where she says he's now become an unfunny Woody Allen? Ironically, I laughed at that one.

I think I read it in the New Yorker, it was along the lines of "Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a stupid man's idea of a smart man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man'.

Your Face

Vote For Pedro.

_Dara_

Candie wrote: »

The one where she says he's now become an unfunny Woody Allen? Ironically, I laughed at that one.

That's the one! She's a good writer.

take everything

I'm someone who is against oppressive leftist dogma (eg unregulated/unchecked immigration; turning a blind eye to horrendous aspects of Islamic culture while gratuitously attacking other religions for less horrendous failings; denial of biology when it suits and invoking it when it doesn't; etc etc) but seeing those Neo-nazis and their stupid confederacy love in Virginia reminds how utterly moronic and hateful people can be.

One kinda begets the other though. These racist assholes wouldn't be half as bold to air their obnoxious views if it wasn't for the current climate sick of the left.

_Dara_

_Dara_ wrote: »

That's the one! She's a good writer.

I do like her.

I liked what Andy Borowitz had to say about him too, in contradiction to Noonan: 'Say what you like, but Trump isn't a stupid man, he's a smart man with a deep understanding of what stupid people want'

Whether he's a smart man who knows stupid or a stupid man who thinks he's smart, the net result is the same. A guy who lets loose every half-thought on twitter without filter, and then in a state of bewildered agita complains about being unsupported.

take everything

take everything wrote: »

One kinda begets the other though. These racist assholes wouldn't be half as bold to air their obnoxious views if it wasn't for the current climate sick of the left.

It's so difficult to keep track of whether those of us in the liberal/ loony left are supposed to be oppressively intolerant of dissent this week, or, as you indicate, enabling racists to ventilate their obnoxious views.

Either way, I'm sure it's all our fault alright.

super_furry

It's young frustrated men being radicalised online by extremists.

That and the wimmin, but sure it's always their fault.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades!

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Either way, I'm sure it's all our fault alright.

Of course it is.

The main thing is that they're being forced to be racist, and it's not their fault. It's almost like they're victims or something.

B0jangles

Candie wrote: »

The one where she says he's now become an unfunny Woody Allen? Ironically, I laughed at that one.

I think I read it in the New Yorker, it was along the lines of "Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a stupid man's idea of a smart man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man'.

Sounds a bit like what comedian John Mulaney said about him:

https://youtu.be/dBNBAgtjYV8?t=29

diograis

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's so difficult to keep track of whether those of us in the liberal/ loony left are supposed to be oppressively intolerant of dissent this week, or, as you indicate, enabling racists to ventilate their obnoxious views.

Either way, I'm sure it's all our fault alright.

Libtards LOL #MAGA

Junkyard Tom

Trump is Barack Obama's legacy as much as anyone else. Obama ran on the hope-and-change ticket and delivered very little change and not much hope. The US 'left' has sold its voter base out time-and-again for decades and are reaping what they've sown.

As for people who use neoreactionary buzzwords/terms, well, they are better off ignored. If you try to pin them down on what they mean when they use terms like 'cultural marxist/ism' they tend to clam up because they know it's largely meaningless.

Candie

Candie wrote: »

Of course it is.

The main thing is that they're being forced to be racist, and it's not their fault. It's almost like they're victims or something.

The same people purport to champion "individual resonsibility", except of course when the lefties force them to be racists.

Junkyard Tom

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Trump is Barack Obama's legacy as much as anyone else. Obama ran on the hope-and-change ticket and delivered very little change and not much hope. The US 'left' has sold its voter base out time-and-again for decades and are reaping what they've sown.

That's true, and much of the same can be said of the European left (but then, I guess the European left has always been pretty diverse, from social democracy to left republicanism to socialism).

Nevertheless, one thing we can't accuse left wing parties of, is homogeny of of opinion. The left is famously (notoriously?) fragmented, with very diverse views on things like reindustrialisation, globalisation, and the EU.

Take the British Labour party, for example. The fact of someone being a Labour MP tells you absolutely nothing of their position in Brexit/ the EU, on foreign policy, or even their own leader.

That's it should be. Whether on the left or right, we should all be suspicious of ideologies that slavishly follow particular flags, despite the lack of logical connections between them. That's where political position sails close to 'cult'.

B0jangles

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The same people purport to champion "individual resonsibility", except of course when the lefties force them to be racists.

Those damn lefties also forced them to vote for Trump

take everything

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

It's so difficult to keep track of whether those of us in the liberal/ loony left are supposed to be oppressively intolerant of dissent this week, or, as you indicate, enabling racists to ventilate their obnoxious views.

Either way, I'm sure it's all our fault alright.

That's what you got from my post?
Surely you can agree that the polarisation is self-fulfilling. Which is my point.

And what about the right fuelling the left (antifa etc). Why didn't you say those on the right should feel aggrieved with me for pointing out that the right are partly responsible for that.

Instead it's this solipsistic, defensive little bubble that the left live in. Willing to look for slight where none was intended. As in my post.

(The far right have always lived in such a bubble.).

Wonder will any rightwingers take offence at what I say.

I know plenty of people who don't care about climate change and/or are "anti-feminist" yet they can't stand Trump. Mate of mine says the most sexist stuff going (people don't get the difference between jokes and opinions it seems), hates Trump. I know people who are "right-wing" in several ways and they detest Trump.

It's a boring narrative really and doesn't bear up to much scrutiny. There's a decent amount of the US population who voted for Trump who had voted for Obama. Racists? The "far-right" or whatever ya want to call bigots managed to united behind a reprehensible candidate and just about got enough people in the centre to buy their bull**** whether it was bull**** about Hillary, bull**** about how they were the downtrodden ones, about how "they" (others) needed put in their place, how the establishment was against them and Trump would blow it all up.

donegaLroad

Syphonax wrote: »

White Genocide? Presumably thats the same thing as White genocide conspiracy theory on wikipedia? I literally never came across this before. If this is believable then im going to re-read the Holocaust denial theory.

White genocide and climate change are intrinsically linked. As temperatures increase due to climate chance, everyone's skin is becoming darker. Soon, the real white skinned people of the world will belong in areas closer to the Arctic circle. :pac:

tritium

Its realtively straightforward imho

Anyone who uses some of a range of buzzwords with any kind of frequency can probably be well predicted in their views on a wide range of topics. Said buzzwords/phrases come from both extremes and include: femininazi, misogynist, butch lesbian, patriarchy, alt right, looney liberal, cuck, cultural appropriation, snow flake....etc.

Sadly many who can be identified in the above fashion have little time or ability to listen or try to understand the views of anyone not of their mindset. Generally this has led to events like trumps election and Teresa Mays election meltdown. However both sides continue to reassure themselves this is either down to their own righteousness or the stupidity (or insert a buzzword from above) of the other side...all the while ignoring the plank in their own eye in terms of any unethical or questionable behaviour on their side

Your Face

Stock answer.

topper75

Candie wrote: »

I think I read it in the New Yorker, it was along the lines of "Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a stupid man's idea of a smart man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man'.

Goodness! Has champagne socialism finally jumped the shark?! :pac:

Ubbquittious

tritium wrote: »

Its realtively straightforward imho

Anyone who uses some of a range of buzzwords with any kind of frequency can probably be well predicted in their views on a wide range of topics. Said buzzwords/phrases come from both extremes and include: femininazi, misogynist, butch lesbian, patriarchy, alt right, looney liberal, cuck, cultural appropriation, snow flake....etc.

Sadly many who can be identified in the above fashion have little time or ability to listen or try to understand the views of anyone not of their mindset. Generally this has led to events like trumps election and Teresa Mays election meltdown. However both sides continue to reassure themselves this is either down to their own righteousness or the stupidity (or insert a buzzword from above) of the other side...all the while ignoring the plank in their own eye in terms of any unethical or questionable behaviour on their side

SJW. How could you forget SJW

Wibbs

Candie wrote: »

"Trump is a poor man's idea of a rich man, a stupid man's idea of a smart man, and a weak man's idea of a strong man'.

Would sum him up pretty well for me. He's the very definition of the stereotype of the "Crass American". That so many ordinary Americans were so fed up with the political status quo and landed him in the White House said much. A real pity they didn't get the choice of a non oafish alternative. If I were American faced with him or Clinton, caught between a crock and an orange face, I'd have voted for damn near anyone else.

tritium wrote:

Anyone who uses some of a range of buzzwords with any kind of frequency can probably be well predicted in their views on a wide range of topics. Said buzzwords/phrases come from both extremes and include: femininazi, misogynist, butch lesbian, patriarchy, alt right, looney liberal, cuck, cultural appropriation, snow flake....etc.

Pretty much. And for me at least such buzzwords sound even more cringeworthy spouted secondhand by Irish voices. Never mind the other thread noting many Irish people absorbing "American" accents, too bloody many seem to think our societies are the same, with the same nonsense bubbling up in both.

Deleted User wrote:

I know plenty of people who don't care about climate change and/or are "anti-feminist" yet they can't stand Trump. Mate of mine says the most sexist stuff going (people don't get the difference between jokes and opinions it seems), hates Trump. I know people who are "right-wing" in several ways and they detest Trump.

Ditto. These boxes are only simple in echo chambers on Reddit and ArseBook. For myself I think Trump is an oaf, think man's impact on the environment and climate shifts is a plain as the nose on one's face given, think feminism has become a busted flush of mostly nonsense, think immigration into Ireland and the EU should be massively curtailed, think multiculturalism is also a busted flush, think social welfare is a basic requirement of a civilised society(though ours needs an enema) and feel a lot of sympathy for so called "millennials" who've inherited a not so great world. What box do I fit into?

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

That's it should be. Whether on the left or right, we should all be suspicious of ideologies that slavishly follow particular flags, despite the lack of logical connections between them. That's where political position sails close to 'cult'.

+1000. This is particularly evident online, where discourse is down voted to echo chambers where "givens" can't be questioned. On all sides. It's creeping from there into real life with it.