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Is it worth living life right and by the rules

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    #212
    screamer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭screamer


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Those who game the system do, sure. But there's an attempt on this thread to smear the majority of welfare claimants as scammers who are doing the poor workers out of their hard earned cash.

    I don't think so..... And it's important to differentiate between the never have worked never will work and the people who just end up unemployed through no fault of their own. I definitely see the difference. But that aside the valid point that is trying to be glossed over here is that those who contribute nothing get everything for free and that is not right and that is what makes it a joke in Ireland to be part of the squeezed middle class (which is just the working class now). Not all welfare recipients are poor not all of them are struggling and none of them who are capable of working deserve their whole life funded for free. We need to make that distinction and we need to demand action from our politicians.


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    #213
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    screamer wrote: »
    I don't think so..... And it's important to differentiate between the never have worked never will work and the people who just end up unemployed through no fault of their own. I definitely see the difference. But that aside the valid point that is trying to be glossed over here is that those who contribute nothing get everything for free and that is not right and that is what makes it a joke in Ireland to be part of the squeezed middle class (which is just the working class now). Not all welfare recipients are poor not all of them are struggling and none of them who are capable of working deserve their whole life funded for free. We need to make that distinction and we need to demand action from our politicians.

    By the same token, not all workers work hard and deserve their self proclaimed hard earned wage. I'm not saying people should just be free to game the system as they like, and I look down on people who do it. I'm just not sure how it could be charging without spending even more money, and think the country has other things to prioritise over making life even more difficult for those on welfare for the sake of catching out the relatively small number of scammers.

    But it always has been easier to target the vulnerable I suppose.


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    #214
    KyussBeeshop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭KyussBeeshop


    There are a fair number of people out there gaming the system, milking it for a ton of money, whose contribution to society is a net-negative - virtually none of them are on the fucking dole though...


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    #215
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    Hollister11 wrote: »
    Varadkar is going to sort this scroungers out, just wait.

    I can't wait for it. I'm sick of people moamimg about everything wrong with the country, but don't contribute via tax, or get off their arse and run for their local council and try to make a change.

    Of courrrrrrrse he is.


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    #216
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    http://extra.ie/news/irish-news/family-of-ten-were-on-too-much-welfare-to-get-a-home

    Sure as people say here. People on welfare are struggling, sure it's a miserable old life.

    "A couple whose sole income from welfare payments totals €48,000 have taken a court case over getting pushed off the waiting list for a council house after having their eighth child"

    I could link an article citing the beliefs of a flat earther, but that wouldn't necessarily paint a picture of a broken education system.


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    #217
    Wheeliebin30
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I could link an article citing the beliefs of a flat earther, but that wouldn't necessarily paint a picture of a broken education system.

    Eh OK.


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    #218
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    Eh OK.

    I'll simplify. Picking out extreme cases isn't going to paint an accurate picture of welfare.


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    #219
    [Deleted User]
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    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    http://extra.ie/news/irish-news/family-of-ten-were-on-too-much-welfare-to-get-a-home

    Sure as people say here. People on welfare are struggling, sure it's a miserable old life.

    "A couple whose sole income from welfare payments totals €48,000 have taken a court case over getting pushed off the waiting list for a council house after having their eighth child"
    Shocking :eek:

    I have one kid and can't afford a second one :mad: Me and my wife get no time together because there is never a day where one of us isn't working Mon-Fri and people like this actually have the balls to bring the council to court because they want more than 8 kids. I have been on the dole myself in the past, in some cases it was a long time before I found a job but these people are expecting the state to support them and their kids for their whole lives.


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    #220
    hcass
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Shocking :eek:

    I have one kid and can't afford a second one :mad: Me and my wife get no time together because there is never a day where one of us isn't working Mon-Fri and people like this actually have the balls to bring the council to court because they want more than 8 kids. I have been on the dole myself in the past, in some cases it was a long time before I found a job but these people are expecting the state to support them and their kids for their whole lives.

    Yes, but would you seriously swap your life for theirs?

    I know I wouldn't.


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    #221
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    hcass wrote: »
    Yes, but would you seriously swap your life for theirs?

    I know I wouldn't.

    no. but they have a guaranteed income every week and month, without going to a job

    people like that are leeches on the state
    don't have kids if you can't afford to feed, cloth and house them


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    #222
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    Live within the law. After that everyone else can feck off


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    #223
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    no. but they have a guaranteed income every week and month, without going to a job

    people like that are leeches on the state
    don't have kids if you can't afford to feed, cloth and house them

    But look at people born into wealth and you'll find life isn't fair. It goes both ways.


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    #224
    hcass
    Registered Users Posts: 628 ✭✭✭hcass


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    no. but they have a guaranteed income every week and month, without going to a job

    people like that are leeches on the state
    don't have kids if you can't afford to feed, cloth and house them

    So what? You can be a lot worse than a leech. I say let them have it. I wouldn't want their life. They have nothing of value really.


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    #225
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    hcass wrote: »
    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    no. but they have a guaranteed income every week and month, without going to a job

    people like that are leeches on the state
    don't have kids if you can't afford to feed, cloth and house them

    So what? You can be a lot worse than a leech. I say let them have it. I wouldn't want their life. They have nothing of value really.
    think of all the taxpayers money they go through


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    #226
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    think of all the taxpayers money they go through

    What about obesity, lung disease, alcoholism and type 2 diabetes. All related to lifestyle choice and costing the taxpayer billions annually.


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    #227
    steddyeddy
    Registered Users Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    hcass wrote: »
    So what? You can be a lot worse than a leech. I say let them have it. I wouldn't want their life. They have nothing of value really.

    That's it really. I don't see the need to attack unemployed people in society. It's not a happy life when you think about it. It grates more when you see very well off people citing dole users as the core of society's problems.


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    #228
    hcass
    Registered Users Posts: 628 ✭✭✭hcass


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    hcass wrote: »
    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    no. but they have a guaranteed income every week and month, without going to a job

    people like that are leeches on the state
    don't have kids if you can't afford to feed, cloth and house them

    So what? You can be a lot worse than a leech. I say let them have it. I wouldn't want their life. They have nothing of value really.
    think of all the taxpayers money they go through
    It's not that much in the greater scheme of things.


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    #229
    hcass
    Registered Users Posts: 628 ✭✭✭hcass


    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    hcass wrote: »
    nice_guy80 wrote: »
    no. but they have a guaranteed income every week and month, without going to a job

    people like that are leeches on the state
    don't have kids if you can't afford to feed, cloth and house them

    So what? You can be a lot worse than a leech. I say let them have it. I wouldn't want their life. They have nothing of value really.
    think of all the taxpayers money they go through
    It's not that much in the greater scheme of things.


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    #230
    Cubik
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭Cubik


    Nobody is wealthy from benefits. And I wouldn't swap my life with the life of someone existing on welfare - I know I've had a better life than them, a happier upbringing and more opportunities.
    That doesn't change the fact though that there are some right freeloaders with a massive sense of entitlement and expectation - somehow the government owes them but not others - and zero sense of personal responsibility. No shame in their unshakeable belief that they should get everything for free, but others paying for it? No bother at all. They are also taking state money away from people who actually need it.

    I don't see anything wrong with criticising such an attitude - in any context.


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    #231
    TabletTease
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭TabletTease


    I know someone who has followed every letter of every law, and has ended up broke, miserable, and married to someone who didn't follow every letter of every law. And they are the ones paying the price.


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    #232
    con___manx1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,480 ✭✭✭con___manx1


    Wheeliebin30 wrote: »
    I backed up on points with links and figures.

    You didn't back up your nonsense and lies with anything and then say sure I was only 40 euro out like it means nothing.

    Come back when you have researched what you want to say.
    I got my figures out of my head not google pal. My brain was a little wrong so what ? That doesn't make me a liar. Couldn't be arsed googling like you.
    40 quid would go a long long way.
    You do realise we have record numbers of homeless people in the country right now. I think the minimum wage and high costs defo are a reflection of that.


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    #233
    myshirt
    Registered Users Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    I wandered so aimless life filled with sin
    I wouldn't let my dear saviour in
    Then Jesus came like a stranger in the night
    Praise the Lord I saw the light.

    I was a fool to wander and a-stray
    Straight is the gate and narrow the way
    Now I have traded the wrong for the right
    Praise the Lord I saw the light.


    The great Hank Williams.


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    #234
    eeguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,478 ✭✭✭eeguy


    hcass wrote: »
    It's not that much in the greater scheme of things.

    True.
    If they're scamming the system then there's ways to report them.

    There are far more wasteful areas of the govt than social welfare.


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