No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**

lintdrummer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969220#Comment_117969220

Going to spoiler this just in case...

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End credits had the usual "James Bond will return", so it seems the plan is just to reboot and James will be back.

Kermit.de.frog

What surprises me is anyone else is surprised.

Strong, male, competent characters have to be sidelined or preferably killed off

This is Hollywood today.

I'm the opposite of shocked, I fully expected it.

Having said that it's a well directed and alright Bond movie (if a little less traditional for the franchise). I enjoyed it. Not the best of the franchise by a distance but a fitting end for Craig.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969058#Comment_117969058

Lots of people are saying both those things about Craig and this movie though

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969353#Comment_117969353

It matters because it would allow the studio to make a film with him in a world the audience is familiar with but which is new for Bond. We saw it with Brosnan as the Cold War ended along with the traditional idea of what a spy is needed for, and then Craig gave us the character at the very beginning of his journey in a post Cold War world. If they just rehash what’s been done before the film would tank.

And I have to laugh at the complete overreaction to Lynch as a double 0. Sickening, really? Can only middle aged, hard drinking white men be double 0s? She did an excellent job IMO, and whether she’s good enough to carry a film by herself is debatable, I wouldn’t mind if they tried. I think some people hate the idea so much because their terrified it might be good and successful and they’ll stop making films with James-which is ludicrous really, he’s far too profitable to put away for good.

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969526#Comment_117969526

Craig has said himself he was too old for it! And the general audience reaction is much better than Diamonds are Forever, View to a Kill or Die Another Day.

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969672#Comment_117969672

I thought she was poor enough and didn’t add much to the film myself, I couldn’t help but think she was a nod to the PC Brigade.

bigar

Time for this?

Nonoperational

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969054#Comment_117969054

I meant it more as a good film to end his tenure as opposed to any commentary on the ending. I loved the film. The ending is challenging.

santana75

Saw it last night and the pre credit sequence was absolutely brilliant. I was thinking that this was gonna be a cracking film........alas it wasn't. I mean its not bad, but I found myself being bored and not really understanding what exactly it was all about. I'm not really sure what the main bad guys motivation was for what he was doing or why he was doing it. It seemed all pretty pointless really. Daniel Craig is very good and the cinematography was exceptional, it looked immaculate. But when the photography is the best thing about a film then you know something ain't right. As for 00 woke.......I hate PC and the crowbarring in of certain demographics into a story, I've no time for that nonsense. But I have to say I didnt see much of any of that with this, it all seemed justified and organic to the story.

martingriff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969430#Comment_117969430

The only seed that may have been planted is James Bond may have a different 00 number. You are reading too much into it and seeing what you want as you want to be outraged otherwise you have nothing to say

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969058#Comment_117969058

Craig got too big for his boots in my opinion and has been given too much input into the films.

Danny Boyle left as director over creative differences, he had clashed with Craig and Boyle said a particular mooted plotline was ridiculous and wouldnt agree to it, hence he quit.

Just back from a morning viewing- about 10 people in the cinema 😂

oh God, LOVED it.

might be an idea to set up a spoilers thread for those who have seen it so we can discuss it all.

some lovely humour in it, pre-credit opening great- storyline was a typical "reek damage on the world" sort of storyline.

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I hope "that's it" now-while 007 may still be alive, James Bond is very much dead. There's no way back here unless you go down the road of a Dallas type "bobby in the shower"/ "it was all a dream" sort of bullsh1t which I would just hate.

Leave it now- it's over- It had a great innings for a series and it has given us some fine entertainment but it's finished now.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969315#Comment_117969315

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It can't be called a James Bond Film though- a 007 film yes but not a James Bond film- James Bond is dead, it's that simple. Even if the next storyline started with some SAS troops rescuing Bond from that island at the last second and saving his life, it would still have to be an older and retired James Bond, played by a new actor- that just doesn't work. Another alternative (very bad alternative) would be Daniel Craig coming back as James Bond for one more outing- while i might enjoy the film, it would make a mockery of NTTD.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969300#Comment_117969300

I found it total escapism and entertainment which is what you'd expect from a good action movie.

tinytobe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970478#Comment_117970478

It's worth watching this movie.

However there were two things I missed:

• Bond didn't go to any casinos as one would expect
• Bond didn't really romance that many women one would come to expect

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117967903#Comment_117967903

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969300#Comment_117969300

I found it total escapism and entertainment which is what you'd expect from a good action movie. And yes Heraclius, enjoyed the villain lair too- lots of retro acknowledgments to previous films in that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970488#Comment_117970488

He didn't drive a Citroen 2CV either😂

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117969464#Comment_117969464

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I missed that at the end- did it say "James Bond" will be back or did it say "007" will be back?

MisterAnarchy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970532#Comment_117970532

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It said James Bond will return. Its easy to reboot it, they can just reintroduce a new James Bond in his mid thirties , Craig's Bond didnt die until his 50's.

This 007 nonsense has clouded peoples judgement.

The titular character is James Bond, the 007 moniker is largely irrelevant, all the films and books are about James Bond, not 007.

The names Bond, James Bond.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970566#Comment_117970566

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Totally disagree- every other James Bond lived at the end of the film- so it was quite a natural process to introduce a new actor playing the part- JAMES BOND is DEAD! He died in this film- it's not at all straight forward.

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970596#Comment_117970596

Did you see his lifeless corpse?

Bond was presumed dead more than once, most recently in Skyfall.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970429#Comment_117970429

Why should the current team get to decide such a big thing like that ?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970612#Comment_117970612

I think you're missing the point - the story line has James Bond now as old- retired. How can he return from this as younger?

The franchise have walked themselves into a cul-de-sac. Whatever the storyline the next "James Bond" film comes up with, it can't follow on from this one. It's not as simple as Moore replacing Connery or Craig replacing Brosnan and carrying on as normal- we've seen the last of that type of handover.

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The James Bond that we have known for the last nearly 60 years on our screen, is dead. That's it. He died in this outing- the storyline, his age, his mourning by the staff- everything about this film says "he's dead". The audience just wouldn't stand for anything less and it would make a mockery of this bond outing.

No i think the franchise want to take this into a different direction next time around but we'll have a big piece of unreality to digest (larger than normal) whatever they do.

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970747#Comment_117970747

Only if you take the story lines literally, if you do, Bond is nearly 100 yrs old.

Craigs storey line did not follow Brosnan’s, no reason why a new Bond would follow Craig. Spectre is gone, new villains and story lines to be found.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970780#Comment_117970780

Why shouldn't i take the storyline literally - I did for every other James Bond and it's worked out fine so far.

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On Her Majesties Secret Service, James Bond's new wife gets killed- in NTTD, the reverse happens- James Bond dies- that's the whole premise of this film, the soundtrack, the shooting locations, the car. He's dead. Why can't you see that? If he's anything other than dead, in that they just carry on with a new JB in the next outing, then it makes a total mockery of this film.

You don't need a "lifeless corpse" to know that James Bond is dead. It's implied in the film and they've written it in such a way, that we can't revert back to just a new actor playing the role- the storyline is too far gone. If they're going with JB again in its current format, you'll have to disregard the Daniel Craig years

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970626#Comment_117970626

Right, but that's not what happened in No Time To Die. And Daniel Craig was the rough, cold Bond (albeit an evolution). It would be strange if they decided on an even colder more brutal Bond, which I suspect might appease old-school fans, but might not sell tickets

Dav010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970830#Comment_117970830

It isn’t real.

1huge1

Seen this yesterday in the cinema which was the first time I've been back in one in over 18 months which I really enjoyed.

Overall I really injoyed the film, as mentioned in previous posts, Craig did a magnificant job. My main criticism would be around the main antagonist, I think Malek is a very good actor but was very underutilised in this and I never had any real understanding of his motivations or intentions.

Still that aside, one of the most enjoyable James Bond movies I can remember in a long time. Up there with SKyfall at the very least.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117970889#Comment_117970889

Oh I give up!!

siblers

[SPOILER]I thought the Cuban CIA agent was brilliant, the whole scene was nonsensical but would like to see more of her[/SPOILER]