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Heavyweight Boxing

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    #4442
    BDI
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    selectamatic wrote: »
    The point about wilders stamina is pretty valid.

    He really doesn't seem to cope well when he has to actively seek out his opponent round after round. Thing is we never really see him in this situation.

    Personally I felt his cardio looked pretty poor in the Fury fight for a man who weighed in light with zero excess muscle or fat. Although there were rumours of an illness.

    I recall him still having knockout power in the final rounds. The man is a sprinter not a 10000 metre runner. Explosive fitness.


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    #4443
    selectamatic
    Registered Users Posts: 3,919 ✭✭✭selectamatic


    He'll always have knockout power but he still looked pretty tired.

    After the 12th rd knockdown Fury was actually the more active of the 2 for the remainder of the round.

    Maybe if Wilder had a bit more of a 10000 meter runner in him he'd have been able to keep more pressure on Fury and get him down again.


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    #4444
    BDI
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    He drew over 12 rounds with the jab and run heavyweight specialist of the last ten years and the arguement is aj will adopt this jab and run technique and use it to beat him with fitness because we have never seen Wilder have to chase anybody over 12 rounds.

    What really upsets me is if Fury beats wilder in the rematch we will have to sit through Fury and Aj both standing in their own corners for 12 rounds with their guard up.


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    #4445
    NewMan1982
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    BDI wrote: »
    He drew over 12 rounds with the jab and run heavyweight specialist of the last ten years and the arguement is aj will adopt this jab and run technique and use it to beat him with fitness because we have never seen Wilder have to chase anybody over 12 rounds.

    What really upsets me is if Fury beats wilder in the rematch we will have to sit through Fury and Aj both standing in their own corners for 12 rounds with their guard up.

    Fury will occasionally put his hands behind his back


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    #4446
    normanoffside
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    NewMan1982 wrote: »
    Fury will occasionally put his hands behind his back

    He might stick out his tongue too.


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    #4447
    Morrison J
    Registered Users Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Wilder's stamina is one of his biggest strengths. No other heavyweight can load up on shots for 12 rounds (and find nothing but air a lot of the time) and still carry his one punch KO power into the 12th round. He's got plenty of faults but stamina isn't one of them.


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    #4448
    US2
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    How ye see this playing out lads, fury wilder in jan, will aj relax till Sept to fight the winner? Will whyte fight again before that if so against who?

    The heavyweight division might not be as competitive as it was 20,30 years ago but its definitely interesting. Would love fury v Joshua more than joshua wilder? I do think AJ loses to both wilder and fury but I'm desperate to see him fight fury.


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    #4449
    US2
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    I'm too young to remember the golden age of heavyweights, have seen all the big fights alright, but how competitive and deep was the division back then?

    Say now its between 3, fury wilder aj

    Mid 90s it was Tyson Lewis holyfield

    Not sure about 80s?

    70s Foreman Ali Frazier

    60s Liston, Ali, Cooper?

    Dont attack me, educate me.


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    #4450
    BDI
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    I think they are just kept away from each other too much. Ruiz and Ortiz should really have been in the mix earlier.
    I was watching Ortiz and wilder 2 this morning and Ortiz still looked good going forward at his age. I think it’s a competitive generation that lacks top level quality.

    All the boxers of this time have obvious weaknesses. Which is good because all of the boxers can cause each other problems.

    It’s much better than the ten years of Klitchsko anyway.

    I’d like to see Ortiz v Fury and Ruiz v wilder, I’ve given up hoping for wilder Joshua. Even white v wilder would be worth staying up for.


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    #4451
    walshb
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    Fury and Davison part ways!


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    #4452
    normanoffside
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    walshb wrote: »
    Fury and Davison part ways!

    That's a shocker, especially as Peter Fury can't travel to the states.


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    #4453
    Dont be at yourself
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    walshb wrote: »
    Fury and Davison part ways!

    Wow, what happened there?


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    #4454
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,977 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Dont be at yourself wrote: »
    Wow, what happened there?

    That's all we have

    https://twitter.com/BenDavison_/status/1206207872557879297


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    #4455
    weemcd
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    Kinda gutted Fury and Davison have parted ways. I thought they had great chemistry. I know Fury's dad was highly critical after the Wallin fight so that might be something to do with it?

    I think Fury's last camp was lacking discipline, he said himself he was drinking beer etc in the lead up. I'd imagine it's a full time job keeping Fury going off the rails at the best of times.


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    #4456
    walshb
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    weemcd wrote: »
    Kinda gutted Fury and Davison have parted ways. I thought they had great chemistry. I know Fury's dad was highly critical after the Wallin fight so that might be something to do with it?

    I think Fury's last camp was lacking discipline, he said himself he was drinking beer etc in the lead up. I'd imagine it's a full time job keeping Fury going off the rails at the best of times.

    Fury is just full of excuses. Always blaming his behaviours on this, that and the other...


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    #4457
    Cyrus
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    walshb wrote: »
    Fury is just full of excuses. Always blaming his behaviours on this, that and the other...

    Excuses for what ? He is unbeaten and was unified hw champ

    What a whinger


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    #4458
    Mantis Toboggan
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    walshb wrote: »
    Fury is just full of excuses. Always blaming his behaviours on this, that and the other...

    What excuses was he making?

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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    #4459
    walshb
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    Wild boar.......un-castrated....there’s one...👌


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    #4460
    normanoffside
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    Fury has confimed he has moved to Kronk to train under SugarHill Steward


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    #4461
    selectamatic
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    walshb wrote: »
    Wild boar.......un-castrated....there’s one...👌

    It was David Haye's fault he got fat back in the day too.

    While it was perfectly acceptable to give out about Haye pr1cking him about, piling on the pounds and then returning after nearly a year out to fight a loser like Joey Abell showed a fair bit of indiscipline on his behalf.

    He got in great shape during the remainder of 2014 and 2015 though.


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    #4462
    squinn2912
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    Fury and Davison split that’s ok but it’s nothing to do with Fury making up excuses or not. The impression was never that he’d be there for the long haul. His tactics and training plan were excellent for the wilder fight but concerns may have been justified based on Wallin fight possibly more. Announcement should come soon on. New trainer


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    #4463
    normanoffside
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    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Fury and Davison split that’s ok but it’s nothing to do with Fury making up excuses or not. The impression was never that he’d be there for the long haul. His tactics and training plan were excellent for the wilder fight but concerns may have been justified based on Wallin fight possibly more. Announcement should come soon on. New trainer

    Already announced 2 posts up


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    #4464
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 55,039 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    My excuses post was nothing do with their split...

    Was just a general Fury observation.


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    #4465
    Mantis Toboggan
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    walshb wrote: »
    My excuses post was nothing do with their split...

    Was just a general Fury observation.

    Never miss an opportunity ;)

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



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    #4466
    squinn2912
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    Already announced 2 posts up

    Who is the new trainer


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    #4467
    normanoffside
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    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Who is the new trainer

    SugarHill Steward.
    Manny Stewards nephew, took over Kronk after Manny, close to Andy Lee.


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    #4468
    BDI
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    I wonder is he struggling for motivation to get fit for February or is the other lad getting more money to go elsewhere(surely not 2 months before such a big fight).


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    #4469
    squinn2912
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    normanoffside wrote: »
    SugarHill Steward.
    Manny Stewards nephew, took over Kronk after Manny, close to Andy Lee.

    Sorry I misread your post earlier!! Thanks for spelling it out to me haha.

    Hands up I'm gonna need to get on google to check this guy out. If he's anything like Manny then he couldn't be bad. Davison was at the Wilder/Ortiz fight. Sure, he may have gone anyhow but it would suggest he didn't know much about the split. What do you guys think from the fights? All in all I think he had Fury performing at as high a level as anyone could expect.


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    #4470
    walshb
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    Trainers get overrated and underrated at times....

    They are not in the ring with the fighter....


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    #4471
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,779 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    Trainers get overrated and underrated at times....

    They are not in the ring with the fighter....

    Of course not it's up to the fighter but nearly all of them refer to 'we' rather than 'me' when interviewed about their fights. Ali of course referred to both!

    I think the trainer makes a big difference.


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