London Fire and Aftermath RIP

tayto lover

kopite386 wrote: »

I agree I could never do it, the bravery they have, putting their lives on the line, while people are rushing out of burning buildings they are rushing in to save people. Heroes they are indeed.

Said that after 9/11 too.
People rushing away from the burning and collapsing building and fire fighters and police running in never to be seen again.

Atlantic Dawn

MysticMonk wrote: »

Any chance this was arson?

Lad interviewed by Sky News earlier said the fire started in Number 14, his neighbour from that flat ran in to alert him to say his fridge exploded and that was the cause. That flat was on the 4th floor.

http://news.sky.com/story/grenfell-tower-fire-a-man-jumped-his-whole-window-was-on-fire-10915045

MysticMonk

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah, course. There's a chance of anything.
One guy said his neighbour's fridge went up and that was the source. Supposedly many residents complained of power surges damaging electrical and electronic items.

Yeah but would a fridge "Exploding" burn the whole place down?

Would the ECB not trip a fuse?

I'm not being facetious in any way,i'm genuinely curious.

end of the road

MysticMonk wrote: »

Yeah but would a fridge "Exploding" burn the whole place down?

Would the ECB not trip a fuse?

I'm not being facetious in any way,i'm genuinely curious.

oh no, it's a good question. i presume it would trip it, but i don't know. you would think that it would, it would be the better option for it to be tripped.

mikeybrennan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah, course. There's a chance of anything.
One guy said his neighbour's fridge went up and that was the source. Supposedly many residents complained of power surges damaging electrical and electronic items.

Fridges are well known for it-many are on recall

I remember another tower block fire caused by a fridge

Atlantic Dawn

MysticMonk wrote: »

Yeah but would a fridge "Exploding" burn the whole place down?

Would the ECB not trip a fuse?

I'm not being facetious in any way,i'm genuinely curious.

It easily could, a tumble dryer did this last year in London...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-37571523

aziz

MysticMonk wrote: »

Yeah but would a fridge "Exploding" burn the whole place down?

Would the ECB not trip a fuse?

I'm not being facetious in any way,i'm genuinely curious.

My parents house was severely damaged after a fridge went on fire two years ago,so it can happen

mikeybrennan

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2011322/Beko-fridge-freezer-recall-Bermondsey-tower-block-warning-half-million-families.html

Previous tower block fire caused by a fridge

Bushmanpm

Just a small aside.
A few years ago LFEPA (London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority- the fire brigade) apparently changed the rules in how 'fire deaths' were counted, allegedly in a cost cutting exersize.
Before, if you were pulled from the fire but subsequently died after, that would count as a fire death. Now they only count fire deaths as those who die WITHIN THE BLAZE.
Just to cut costs, axe jobs and close stations.

Ulysses Gaze

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

Blair a socialist? ?

Guaranteed the people sneering at him here and saying they were Tory Lite would have voted for him and Labour.

jimmycrackcorm

JupiterKid wrote:

This is a horrific tragedy. It shows that high rise flat blocks, if not properly built and maintained, can be death traps. Given the extent and speed of the inferno, it's amazing that the fire services managed to rescue that many people.

We should be thankful in Dublin for the DFB enforcing the rules for people to move out of their homes where fire standards aren't up to scratch.

We have just seen what Priory hall could easily have become.

Atlantic Dawn

So far the most striking issue is there was only one stairwell in or out so if access wasn't available to that you were not getiting out.

Atlantic Dawn

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

We should be thankful in Dublin for the DFB enforcing the rules for people to move out of their homes where fire standards aren't up to scratch.

We have just seen what Priory hall could easily have become.

They have sadly only scratched the surface, thousands of people would be out of their homes if they did a full survey. And it's not DFB's fault, they will only inspect what they are asked to.

please helpThank YOU

Death toll now at 12 RIP.

mikeybrennan

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

So far the most striking issue is there was only one stairwell in or out so if access wasn't available to that you were not getiting out.

Costs big money to upgrade fire safety on all these old tower blocks.It would be nearly as easy to demolish them.

The issues seem to be well known but a blind eye was turned for economic reasons

mikeybrennan

No-one treated for burns if i heard that correctly just now on bbc

JupiterKid

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Was the tower block old?

RIP the deceased, more sad news for London

Built in 1974 so 43 years old. Built at the end of the era of mania for erecting high-rise council flats from the late 1950s to the mid 70s. Refurbished and re-clad in 2016.

It looks like the recent cladding was at least partially responsible for the rapid spread of the inferno.

Call me Al

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

So far the most striking issue is there was only one stairwell in or out so if access wasn't available to that you were not getiting out.

Not helped by the fact that it's reported residents were being told to stay put, not try to leave, and that the fire service would come and rescue them. According to a report in the Telegraph this was said to one lady on the 15th floor. Her brother hasnt heard from her or her son since that last phonecall. And she wasnt the only one. Stay put and push a wet rolled towel along the bottom of you door were the instructions. Until it was too late and then they were telling people to evacuate under their own steam.
It's just desperately sad.

steddyeddy

One of the worst possible ways you could go. It's even more deplorable if money was a factor in assigning worth to these people's basic safety.

JupiterKid

I live in a purpose built apartment block but on the ground floor and have my own front door. You couldn't pay me to live on the upper floors of a tower block - luxury or social housing - where a large fire on the lower floors could trap you in a deadly inferno.

There's many here who criticise Dublin City council for being anti-high rise housing. Maybe concerns about potential fire risks are part of it?

That said, if properly built high rise apartments should be relatively safe. In the rush to house as many people as possible in the 1960s and 70s, I have a feeling that serious corners were cut in the UK in terms of build quality which may have contributed to the rapid spread of the fire.

By the time Grenfell Tower was built, high rise flats were seen as an eyesore and potential fire hazard.

steddyeddy

JupiterKid wrote: »

I live in a purpose built apartment block but on the ground floor and have my own front door. You couldn't pay me to live on the upper floors of a tower block - luxury or social housing - where a large fire on the lower floors could trap you in a deadly inferno.

There's many here who criticise Dublin City council for being anti-high rise housing. Maybe concerns about potential fire risks are part of it?

That said, if properly built high rise apartments should be relatively safe. In the rush to house as many people in the 1960s and 70s, I have a feeling that serious corners were cut in the UK in terms of build quality which may have contributed to the rapid spread of the fire.

By the time Grenfell Tower was built, high rise flats were seen as an eyesore and potential fire hazard.

Well I was actually for high rise buildings in Dublin but I've changed my mind now.

wakka12

JupiterKid wrote: »

I live in a purpose built apartment block but on the ground floor and have my own front door. You couldn't pay me to live on the upper floors of a tower block - luxury or social housing - where a large fire on the lower floors could trap you in a deadly inferno.

There's many here who criticise Dublin City council for being anti-high rise housing. Maybe concerns about potential fire risks are part of it?

That said, if properly built high rise apartments should be relatively safe. In the rush to house as many people as possible in the 1960s and 70s, I have a feeling that serious corners were cut in the UK in terms of build quality which may have contributed to the rapid spread of the fire.

By the time Grenfell Tower was built, high rise flats were seen as an eyesore and potential fire hazard.

Far from it. The arguments against high rises here by our planning bodies are pathetic. But maybe its one positive consequence of it you're right

wakka12

Will the tower be demolished now does anyone know?

laugh

wakka12 wrote: »

Far from it. The arguments against high rises here by our planning bodies are pathetic. But maybe its one positive consequence of it you're right

The Fire Brigade would likely need specialised equipment.

laugh

wakka12 wrote: »

Will the tower be demolished now does anyone know?

They were worried about it possibly collapsing at one point.

Ulysses Gaze

JupiterKid wrote: »

I live in a purpose built apartment block but on the ground floor and have my own front door. You couldn't pay me to live on the upper floors of a tower block - luxury or social housing - where a large fire on the lower floors could trap you in a deadly inferno.

There's many here who criticise Dublin City council for being anti-high rise housing. Maybe concerns about potential fire risks are part of it?

That said, if properly built high rise apartments should be relatively safe. In the rush to house as many people as possible in the 1960s and 70s, I have a feeling that serious corners were cut in the UK in terms of build quality which may have contributed to the rapid spread of the fire.

By the time Grenfell Tower was built, high rise flats were seen as an eyesore and potential fire hazard.

Look at Longboat Quay here in Dublin built during the boom - 298 apartments thrown up and a fire trap.

That's the tip of the iceberg here, I reckon.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/columnists/michael-clifford/housing-defects-special-report-we-cant-afford-to-make-the-same-mistakes-again-413418.html

kippy

steddyeddy wrote: »

One of the worst possible ways you could go. It's even more deplorable if money was a factor in assigning worth to these people's basic safety.

As harsh as it sounds money is always a factor in assigning worth to a persons safety no matter the environment.

end of the road

wakka12 wrote: »

Will the tower be demolished now does anyone know?

more then likely yes. realistically the damage is such that there is no other option but for losses to be cut and the tower to go.

Omackeral

Deleted User wrote: »

They (firemen) can go ages without doing a whole lot until a major incident. It's like with police.

Just wanna say something on this. My dad was in Dublin Fire Brigade for 30 years, retired last year. There's very few times where they're doing nothing. All DFB personnel are paramedics too so when you ring the ambulance, it's these exact same guys and girls coming to help you. They truly are heroes in my opinion.

kopite386

One of the last people rescued was a 70 year old blind Asian man at 9am this morning according to the Bishop of Kensington in Sky News 5 minutes ago