BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123103381#Comment_123103381

That's anything but a small issue - it’s a fundamental one - these timings drive the journey planners and therefore connections.

Getting this sort of stuff right is basic.

The same issue applies to the E1 southbound in Ballymun where it meets the E2 with a huge timeframe to travel 350m (up to 12 mins), and then a total lack of integration in the timetables southbound.

They'll both need a complete reset but that’s not going to happen overnight.

GRUF

a little bit of a stack outside trinity college at 8:40 today. I see they are 10 min intervals scheduled, maybe a little tweak required? Either way, at least they are all here before 9 am.

john boye

Saw a 19 at Trinity heading for Merrion Square with 3 people on board

Trebor176

At least five VGs operated the E1 this morning, but short workings by the looks of things, and EV65 made an appearance on a short E2 working.

The 7 is as normal this morning with no sign of any PAs so far. The E1, E2 and 19 are ad mixture of SGs and PAs. But, I'd say the SGs are most Euro/Uni workings.

The 13 is quite GT heavy today, and was mainly SG yesterday. It's strange seeing Donnybrook buses in Clondalkin.

The 4 has lost its PA allocation too by the looks of it. Of course the E routes will be prioritied for them.

Bluefoam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123103899#Comment_123103899

The the BK is doing CN at LT today to keep HK from STD.

john boye

We should probably try to get all the granular spotter stuff into the spotter section instead of here

TranslatorPS

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123102963#Comment_123102963

The unreliability of the 63 was primarily because a lot of the PM departures were for the longest time interworked with the 75 in a fairly concrete pattern: Ballymount, empty to Tallaght, 75 to DL, at least one lap of 63 and then whatever they made out of the building blocks on the graph. On paper it was a very sensible way of bringing down the amount of empty mileage necessary for 45A/59/63/75 drivers to get from Ballymount to DL for the late shifts, but as with every plan ever, it clashed with the reality of traffic along the 75 pretty often.

So far, bustimes.org shows that the L27 only mixes with the 45A, if at all. The randomness of the 45A and L27 mixing makes me question if it's a case of drivers taking the first bus they see laying around in DL rather than following the prescribed diagrams.

On the other hand, just like the 114 worked on buses off the 17, so is the L26 combined with the S6.

Trebor176

Would it have made sense to extend the 11 to the airport, rather than renumber it as the 19?

Looking at the routing it is basically the same as the 11 northside, just going further to the airport.

Another route could possibly have been sent to Infirmary Road instead.

DUBLINBUSGUY

The time for that was during the three rounds of public consultation. Or at least months ago.

hfjm20

Can someone explain why the E1, and previously 46a etc, stops in Donnybrook for a driver change, but also why the driver isn’t waiting at the bus stop. It actually is a major inconvenience

Midnight_EG

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123104203#Comment_123104203

Because the bus is early?

dfx-

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123103995#Comment_123103995

If you were to remove granular detail from this thread there'd be about two posts left. Can we get a separate section each for the granular detail redrawing junctions, stop timings, traffic analysis, staffing level updates and crayonism.

There's more in this thread than all the NTAs efforts on BusConnects combined.

coylemj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123104203#Comment_123104203

I had that issue previously but nowadays it's very rare for the relief driver not to be waiting at Donnybrook. The biggest gripe I have is when the two drivers have a big chat during the handover and then the new driver takes an age to pin in and get things moving again. While several buses whizz past.

john boye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123104279#Comment_123104279

It's not granular detail per se I'm talking about, it's the heavy spotter stuff like bus types used etc. It's probably gibberish to most people

trellheim

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123104364#Comment_123104364

I agree is it a single decker or has it got centre doors is all I care about, surely DB put buses wherever they are needed.

bikeman1

Well spotted on the timings. 7 to 12 minutes as LXFlyer says to do a journey of 1 minute southbound is very poor showing altogether.

I was on an E1 yesterday, but it didn't stop and wait time in Ballymun, just continued its journey as normal (I wasn't aware of the timing issue at the time).

A full recast in both directions is needed. In addition the overnight issue of two buses running close together will have to be fixed as well. The headways on the core part of the route have to be as close to 30 minutes as possible, otherwise it won't work.

Ireland trains

L1 destination screen saying Newcastle Hospital (it’s in Newtown).

dublinman1990

An L26 to Kilternan went past my bus stop on Annaville Terrace as a late departure from Blackrock Station at 15:15.

If you see it on Bustimes.org it is known as 11556. TFI Live says the bus left stop 3085 (Blackrock Station) at 15:06. The next one to Kilternan arrived at Annaville Terrace 15 minutes later. I don't know why that bus ran late this afternoon. If the L26 was integrated into the S6 timetable; it must have came down late on the route when going down from Tallaght.

There is also 3 S8's in a row cancelled going to Dun Laoghaire as well. There is one S8 running to schedule sometime after 4pm. However to add to the misery there is another S8 bus to Dun Laoghaire cancelled afterwards as well heading into the evening rush hour.

Also; bus stop 7920 near the hockey pitch at Newpark Comprehensive School on Benamore Road also does not have any real time info for the L26 logged into it via the TFI Live website and app. However the timings for the other buses are available on that stop as normal.

Tusky

Irish Times is asking for opinions on the changes:

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/dublin/2025/01/27/dublins-new-bus-routes-how-are-you-affected-by-new-services-replacing-46a-and-others/

coylemj

At least two L26s were cancelled this afternoon and there seems to be a major disconnect between the timetable and what the TFI Live app is telling us.

According to the timetable on the TFI website, the L26 towards Blackrock Station will serve stop 3158 (the old VW Showroom at Deansgrange Cross, now BYD) at these times....

15:41
16:11
16:40

This stop is only 25 minutes from the terminus, yet the TFI Live app says the next three L26s will pass stop 3158 at these times....

16:26
16:54
17:02

StreetLight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123105329#Comment_123105329

46A again. Why was this so special that the Irish Times is asking for opinions on it, but not on any other previous phase of BusConnects?

Taisteal Éireann

The new routes are great but as always with the NTA, I feel it’s a glass half full with the timetables. Almost all the new routes have errors in them. Very easy to fix with a recast of the timetables, however, with the standard of schedulers we have and the glacial pace of movement, it’ll likely be summer before we see any changes. I wouldn’t put it past the schedulers to do a worse job than they did.

Tarabuses

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123103191#Comment_123103191

They have been handling the turns for a long time.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123105448#Comment_123105448

GoAhead appear to be having a complete meltdown today with multiple cancellations on all routes including three departures in a row on several occasions on the S4 and S8.

Dublin Bus also suffering cancellations but not quite to the same extent.

jd

They've changed the layout in Northwood slightly. The departure stop is now on the other side of the road from the arrival terminus. That side of the road isn't pedestrian friendly, Cairn Homes removed a lot of the footpath to facilitate their new construction site

BTW there was an accident close to the new bus stop this morning, but it had nothing to do with the buses - a car knocked over some guy on an electric scooter.

Lots of people getting on and off the E1 in Northwood this evening. I'd say that one stop wiill be used by more people than all the stops in Wadelai!

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123105606#Comment_123105606

I think it has far more to do with the NTA trying to do far more than they are capable of, including (in particular) coming up with the initial running times, whilst telling the bus companies to stay out of it as it is their gig.

Then the bus companies end up having to fix the mess including the nonsense running schedules that the NTA came up with.

Meanwhile the NTA stay completely silent and let the operating companies take the blame. It has been the same with every phase.

It’s a copybook example of how not to implement change.

The level of errors and incompetence on display is breathtaking. There has to be a point where they are held accountable as it is beyond a joke now.

Staffing is also clearly a major problem looking at the sheer volume of cancelled buses today.

Shambles does not even come close.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123105917#Comment_123105917

Fair point about the E1, but the 19 benefits Drumcondra too which has lost a lot of buses as a result of these changes with the removal of the 11 and 13.

dublinman1990

Are people seeing issues with the 11 timetable for this evening & tonight.

I'm looking at the TFI Journey Planner website and the bus departure for the 11 are a little bit unusual at a bus stop located on the lower part of Kilmacud Road in Stillorgan. There is a very large gap of about 40 minutes present between two 11 buses to Phoenix Park this evening. I'm thinking here that one bus got cancelled in between those two departures or the bus did run while not showing up on the real time system.

There is also one L26 to Blackrock cancelled this evening. Other departures on that route are appearing to run on schedule.

TranslatorPS

Regarding the timings on the northbound E1s in Foxrock, note how the extended timings are only on the full-route journeys, once again showing that DB sets their timings for each route variant specifically, and not how a fair bit of the continental software does it – by creating a network-wide database for links between pairs of stops.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123106032#Comment_123106032

I don't think that DB are responsible for the initial sets of running times.