Hyundai Kona

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121931634#Comment_121931634

I'd love to know if there is battery degradation but the garage don't seem to understand what I'm asking. I kept asking them to get a readout and they kept giving me the 12v battery readout. 5 times. So I'll get an ODB2 dongle and find out myself sometime. Forums say that it's not a problem so I'm not too concerned, just curious.

It's my local dealer that's the let-down here too. If you have a problem that they don't (want to) understand then it's like talking to the wall. I've posted here in the past how EVERY small issue we had was blamed on the "traction battery" being part of the recall. Stupid things like broken buttons - "oh that could be because the battery's being recalled". I swear. I actually gave up and waited for the traction battery to be replaced, then went back down with a laundry list of broken stuff, amazingly still broken. Eventually got them all ticked off.

christy c

Was having a browse in the North. Because the last service was in February 2023, would that void the warranty?

I still need to check how much it would cost to register in the the 26 counties

https://www.usedcarsni.com/2022-Hyundai-Kona-150kW-Ultimate-64kWh-5dr-Auto-340224362?make=9&model=0&keywords=&fuel_type=13&trans_type=0&age_from=2022&age_to=0&price_from=0&price_to=0&user_type=0&mileage_to=0&body_style=0&location%5B%5D=0&location%5B%5D=0&homepage_search_attr=1&tab_id=0&search_type=1#&gid=1&pid=12

witnessmenow

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121953665#Comment_121953665

The wording in the ioniq 38 manual is:

"you are not covered if the defects are judged as being caused by the
failure to follow the requirements of routine maintenance and
service..."

Assuming the Kona has something similar. So unless there is a warranty claim between now and when you got it serviced next (basically asap), probably should be fine.

I'd have a couple of questions about the car though

The seller seems to be a repair place so has the car been crashed?

The car did 10k miles in its first 6 months, and then only did 6k miles in the next 12 months, and according the ad already has 2 previous owners, moving onto a third owner after 18 months seems like a lot to me!

You'd have to double check the revenue website, but it should essentially be free to bring in (€11.20 for tyre recyciling fee). It's a NI reg, the service is from a NI dealer, so it's clearly a NI car, so no vat should be owed on it.

christy c

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121954302#Comment_121954302

Thanks for the reply.

I saw that it was crashed alright, but I see now that it was "category s", which means it had structural damage.

So I suppose that's risky

insular1

Thinking of picking up an Ioniq 28 in the next couple of months but noticed for not much more I could get a Kona with a decent bit more range. Reading this thread has made me a bit wary however as they seem to have a lot of potentially expensive issues.

Even looking at the cars for sale a good number seem to be advertised as having the motor replaced.

Looking for opinions. Realistically I would only need the extra range of the Kona about 4 times a year and the ioniq 28 seems to have very few issues. What would people go for if the price difference was around 5k?

Also for those who'd prefer the Kona would it be a pro or a con if the motor had been replaced due to the known knocking issue?

bonoman66

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121971821#Comment_121971821

In some cases it has not been sufficient that the motor on its own was replaced. The knocking came back months later for some & then the GRU also had to be replaced (Gear Reduction Unit - like a gearbox). Very expensive outside of warranty. Some owners had both the GRU & Motor replaced at the same time. Initially dealers did not accept there was an issue at all, saying the knocking sound was normal. However Kia was first to officially recognize the issue for the e-Niro & released a TSB (Technical Service Bulletin) for their dealerships / technical teams. Hyundai took nearly an additional 12 months before they accepted there was an issue & released their TSB - even though both cars have an almost identical platform for their motor, drivetrain etc..Not sure if that would be a permanent fix though, or whether in a few years the issue may happen again - time will tell for owners. Maybe just some bad batches of Kona Electrics initially (but users have been affected in USA, Ireland, UK so the knocking issue must have been reasonably widespread). Note - there are lots of very happy Kona Electric owners & the Kona is a lovely small car. Just be aware of the issue etc..

insular1

Thanks. Yeah I think I'll go for the ioniq. I'm too risk averse and don't really need the range. But I'm in no rush anyway so will keep an open mind until the time comes to buy.

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121974121#Comment_121974121

In terms of size Kona is probably smaller than ioniq. Ioniq standard spec is higher than typical Irish Kona.

The 60+kWh battery is great to avoid public charging for 99% of trips. Public chargers can be busy, blocked or broken especially at peak times.

If you get an ioniq 28kWh for say 11k it may make more sense than say 19k Kona. Either way just be sure to not overpay as depreciation will be highest cost.

The ioniq 28kWh can give some issues too, be sure to change "gearbox" oil as soon as you get the car. This can help prevent trouble later.

insular1

Thanks. There are a few roughly 10k ioniqs for sale and a few 15-16k Kona. If the Kona didn't have the potentially expensive motor issue I'd probably go for it, but as this will be our first full EV and it has taken a lot of convincing of my better half, who has fallen prey to the negative media hype around EVs at present, I want this to be as hassle free as possible. The ioniq seems to have less issues so safer bet in the short term. We have an Outlander PHEV for the main family car so range isn't really an issue, max distance the ioniq is likely to see in a day is 120km and once everyone has fallen in love with EV driving we can upgrade to a full EV family. 😄

Shpongler

Hi lads,

I have a 2019 Kona EV with a bit of an issue. I unticked the daylight savings time in clock settings the night before the change to summer time. The next day the clock became unavailable, just a blank time on the display. I am now unable to use scheduled charging as the car no longer keeps the time. The clock and charging schedule are both greyed out, with no option to change the setting. I have reset everything I can, and disconnected the 12v battery to no avail.

From what I can read online, this seems to be a GPS signal issue. It's just strange that it just happened right after unchecking the daylight savings time option. Does anyone have an idea on how to fix this? Right now I am stuck with manually plugging in the car at 2AM, and disconnecting at 6AM using the charging schedule bypass button. Not ideal :)

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121981306#Comment_121981306

Hi! GPS on a 2019 Kona… does it have such a thing? I thought that the 2019 only had Android Auto and that the onboard maps and such only came in ~2021? If you have a kink to the article, I'll have a read.

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983316#Comment_121983316

Surely it has to have GPS for navigation?

Edit: Seems to rely on your phone being plugged in if I'm reading it right. That's a bit weird.

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983334#Comment_121983334

If you have a navigation system on natively on the car then it has a GPS. If you don't then the GPS comes from the attached phone. Plus if you have GPS then it's not likely that you need to set the time and I would think that daylight saving should be automatic. But I could be wrong on whether 2019 Kona's have GPS/Nav… Mine from August 2019 doesn't.

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983334#Comment_121983334

From a vehicle manufacturer's point of view in 2019, that's ideal for keeping cost down as the tricky tech hardware is offloaded to the phone. Now it's much simpler to integrate systems into the dash.

Shpongler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121983316#Comment_121983316

Yeah, you are right. It only has android auto. But it does have a GPS for the time, and also for calculating distance travelled on your recent trips (All of my recent trips only show "no gps data" at the moment). I really don't care about the time as such, but it prevents me accessing the charge schedule. It's booked in for a service in May, so hopefully they can sort it then.

prawnsambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984015#Comment_121984015

This sounds strange. GPS stands for Global Positioning System. Not aware of GPS that doesn't fix location. But it may be that the GPS doesn't integrate with the nav system (bonkers but whatever), so your issue may be that the car's location and the time zone are not matching up, so it's in sulk mode. This would kind of tally with what you found on the net.

Just guessing obviously.

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984015#Comment_121984015

Can you set a time schedule on the wall charger itself rather than the car?

Is car under warranty if so ask manufacturer to fix it for free.

Shpongler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121992296#Comment_121992296

My wall charger is one of the original ESB units installed in 2015, so no option to set a timer on that. Also the car is stuck on "waiting for scheduled charge time", so it wouldn't work anyway.

The car is in Warranty for another 2 months. Hopefully the dealer can fix it.

zg3409

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AndyBoBandy

Hello,

My sister picked up a 2022 64kWh Kona premium yesterday. It's her first EV so I've been guiding her through the various terminology and giving her tips and tricks on how to seamlessly transition from ICE to EV..

She hasn't really had a proper chance to have a look through it's settings etc yet… but 1 question she had this morning (and I had also) is the range is currently displaying in km.. is there any way to change this to percentage % ?

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004191#Comment_122004191

Not really, At least not on the 2019 one I have. Is something which bugs me. Telling me I have 400km left doesn't help. What I do I press Home→ EV and there you can see the status in %

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121984015#Comment_121984015

Can you take some pictures of the unit? Is it an import? Original Irish 2019 Konas were as dumb as my old 06 wagon. I understand you've tried the hard reset but it is worth asking did you try the soft reset as well? I agree with @10-10-20 it shouldn't be GPS on these units. Try to stick an odb dongle and do a scan maybe you can get more info.

NyOmnishambles

The percentage is displayed on the entertainment unit on the map screen on a pop out menu on the right hand side

You can leave it up there permanently if you like

AndyBoBandy

Another question (after a chat there with my sister)..

Regen, she said there are 3 levels? she described regen happening (car slowing despite going down a hill when lifting off) in level 2 (eco?), so would I be right in thinking that level 3 would be even stronger regen level?

Also does the Kona do 1 pedal driving?

cunnifferous

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122011065#Comment_122011065

Level 3 is close to one pedal but not fully. I keep it on level 2 most of time. I find that not too sharp decelerating but reduces the amount of braking I have to do by large amount.

spakman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122011619#Comment_122011619

Level 3 way too strong for my liking - every time u take your foot off is like someone pressing fairly hard on the brakes.

I use level 1 and then use the padel behind the steering wheel as much as possible when I need to slow down. You can get quite good at avoiding the brake pedal!

NyOmnishambles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122011065#Comment_122011065

Level 3 is its strongest setting

I usually leave mine in level 3 for driving around town but it is personal preference and what you get used too

It doesn't do 1 pedal unfortunately but they do refer to it doing 1 Paddle

Basically if you pull the left (I think, I don't really use it) paddle towards you when you are slowing down it will bring the car to a halt and I think hold the car (not sure as I usually have Auto hold turned on)

Also if you prefer one of the regen settings you can default it for all driving modes, I have level 3 defaulted for all driving modes, it is buried in a menu setting somewhere

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122007001#Comment_122007001

There's a user-defined button on the right of the display, it's the star. You can set it to bring up the battery state in the setup options. Makes it handier for getting to see the %.

But no @AndyBoBandy, there isn't a way to have the % displayed instead of the km/GOM.

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122011065#Comment_122011065

I use it on 3 during city and town driving, but I would have it on 2 for motorway or higher-speed driving.

We had an issue with the cruise-control where it was cutting out (faulty button) and if you had the regen set to 3 on a motorway when it decided to cut, you were effectively brake-checking any cars behind. So yeah, set it at what you're comfortable with.

AndyBoBandy

can a frunk box be added under the bonnet ?

Like in this photo;

My sister just sent me the below pic so it looks unlikely? Or would that cover just need to come off?

And cheers for all the tips lads, it’s their first EV and although I’m guiding them re charging etc… my only experience of EV’s is Tesla so I know nothing Kona specific… They absolutely love it so far and are coming up to Dublin (from Waterford) this weekend for a first proper spin in it. I can’t wait to have a good goo at it too as I’ve driven a few Hyundai ICE rentals over the last while, and they’re great cars… (except a manual i40 I had a few years back… horrible bite in the clutch… everything since has been auto).

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013265#Comment_122013265

If you pull off that EV cover (held in by four rubber grommets, pull straight-up) you can then take out the 'spare' foam tray from the boot and insert it into the engine-bay thereby freeing-up the bottom of the boot for more stuff.

As for that 12v battery - watch out for it getting run-down by leaving the car doors open or by running the radio when the main traction battery is off. It only lasted 2 years and 2 mths in my case.

slave1

I put a homemade frunk in, should be a post from around May 21

slave1

Here you go, still in place, only take it out for Service/NCT

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117436334#Comment_117436334

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122016967#Comment_122016967

Excellent, that's what I'm looking for…

beofre their trip up yesterday she told me she was taking out the insert under the boot floor to get more space (2 adults, 2 kids & a dog), so something like this for the cables and compressor/puncture kit to live would be ideal…

oh and by the way, they did Waterford (Passage East) to Dublin (Artane) yesterday, so 191km and only used 47% battery, and they weren't sparing the speed or comfort either… so should comfortably do the return trip at the moment for them… thats fantastic range…

slave1

ours still gets over 400km range and have not had the battery replaced yet (recall), the frunk can fit Granny and Public charging cable and some other bits and bobs no problem

AndyBoBandy

Had a little spin in the Kona earlier today (first EV I ever drove too that wasn't a Tesla).

Its a fantastic car/ really really nice interior, albeit a bit cramped in the back (though I fully expected that), still really nice car and I was very impressed by it.

They absolutely love it, and are already EV converts for good.. Brother in law is already eyeing up upgrading to an Ioniq5 in a year…

First thing I did when I got in was show them that 'left paddle wheel to stop' trick and they were delighted with it!! (so kudos to whoever posted that above), then brought my sister up to the local eCars AC for her first public charge.. (appeared to be pulling 6.5kW as shown on the dash (any way for the app to display charging speed?)

I thought theirs was the new model, but it's actually just a facelift version right? as today I noticed an even newer looking Kona!

eagerv

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122018953#Comment_122018953

Yes, great little car, I was very impressed many moons ago when I tested one shortly after initial release. I think the newest version is a good bit bigger, but have yet to see one close up.

We had paddles on our classic Ioniq and our present Ioniq 5, but to be honest rarely used them. I think the missus likes the auto regen now. Just find a regen you are comfortable with, even zero is fine. They coast really well, probably the most efficient if the driver is someone who often lifts off on accelerator when not required, eg a gentle bend.

The brakes also have regen on them, so friction brakes do not apply unless braking quite heavily. Personally, I now prefer the Tesla one pedal set up, but took a little while to get used to it.

She will soon work out which is best for her, there is no right or wrong.

zg3409

In terms of frunk, there is an official/custom one, but I could not justify the price. They are based in Ireland. Make sure it's for the right model of Kona. On some cars they fit hydraulic springs to keep bonnet open to prevent having to use the bonnet holding up bar. I am not sure if that Kona has hold up springs like most boots.

https://www.evaccessoriesireland.com/product-page/hyundai-kona-front-storage-box

slave1

€175!!! Think mine was about €8 with just the cost of biggest plastic tub I could get to max space.

I have no negatives on Kona, range beast and you know going in on the small boot and lack of ACC or App

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122025965#Comment_122025965

They weren't overly keen when I showed them your solution… worried about warranty/damage etc… so I'll leave them be for a while until they get used to the car, and then go again as thats a handy little bit of space under the floor in the boot, and as they have a dog and 2 kids, it would make sense for the cables to permanently live under the bonnet.

insular1

If buying a Kona that has had battery replaced under the recall does the battery warranty now start from the mileage and time when the new battery was installed or is it still the original warranty period?

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122057703#Comment_122057703

I would say original warranty applies. The good news is the battery is brand new so likely to last longer. The known issue with the old batch is gone too so better design.

slave1

I have one of the first Konas on original battery, a 191, checked the SOH last night at just shy of 100,000kms it's 96.4%

insular1

Thanks. You are right, original warranty applies, just had it confirmed by Hyundai Ireland. Still nice to have a new battery in it. @slave1 what do you use to check the SOH? Really tempted to get one of these this summer as they are starting to show up around the 15K mark now, but my head says an ioniq is the safer bet and a little cheaper. The Konas I have seen though are lovely cars and the extra range is always nice even if I'd rarely use it.

zg3409

To measure state of health use an odb adapter. Konweii is brand I used on kia/Hyundai and soul EV spy app works for Kona too. That's with an android phone.

slave1

OBD port just below steering wheel to the right slightly, and EVNotify free App, will give you SOH, lifetime kHh/100km, lifetime energy charged/discharged and a few other bits and bobs

al2009

I shelled out for a frunk from Germany, mainly because of the hydralic struts for keeping bonnet up. No recall for battery on my 191 either @slave1 , contacted Hyundai when i bought it second hand and they confirmed it wasn't due. Absolutely love the car, so efficient and comfortable.

slave1

glad you’re liking the car but for clarity there is a recall on that battery, your car may not be queued up soon but all 191 64kWh are entitled to new HV battery

10-10-20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063166#Comment_122063166

I think there were a small amount fitted with an different manufacturer's battery and were not included in the recall. 191 reg's ring a bell.

al2009

Thought that myself, hence asking them, they confirmed no recall, garage have also confirmed it.