Opposite sex using opposite bathrooms in Ireland..

jeanjolie

Do you approve, disapprove or have a neutral standpoint on this? Been thinking about the transgender bathroom debate in the US during 2015/16.

I don't think I've really seen a transgender person let alone a man or woman using the opposite sex bathroom...Well I've seen more women using the males restroom.

But I suppose the opposite doesn't happen for two reasons: 1.) Men don't really have a reason to go to women bathroom with the exception of them being closed since there are longer queues in the women's restroom 2.) High social stigma

I suppose number 2 is the reason why we don't see this phenomena quite often but, I may be wrong. Have you seen this yourself and how did you react?

Allinall

If you stand up for a piss- Gentlemen

Sit down- Ladies.

Simples.

ceadaoin.

There is zero privacy in toilet stalls here in the U.S. For that reason I wouldn't feel comfortable using the restroom if there was a man in there, especially for period related stuff. Sorry

In Ireland, where you can't actually see directly into the cubicle, it wouldn't be as bad

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

You have little to ponder, it would appear.

There have been a few threads on this over the last couple of years.

It doesn't bother me and I don't waste much time thinking about it. Some places here have unisex toilets. Sometimes a man has to use the Ladies as there are no baby changing facilities elsewhere.



nolite ergo solliciti de rebus minor.

Samaris

I'm neutral on it.

I'd avoid going into the mens as they tend to have urinals and I can quite understand that males might be uncomfortable with a woman in there when they have their lads out and are trying to peacefully get on with it. But when it's all stalls, I really could not give a monkeys if there's a male or a female in the next one.

RiseToMe

jeanjolie wrote: »

I don't think I've really seen a transgender person let alone a man or woman using the opposite sex bathroom..

Genuine question: what do you expect a transgender person to look like, if you reckon you can spot them straight off in bathrooms?

jeanjolie

Samaris wrote: »

I'm neutral on it.

I'd avoid going into the mens as they tend to have urinals and I can quite understand that males might be uncomfortable with a woman in there when they have their lads out and are trying to peacefully get on with it. But when it's all stalls, I really could not give a monkeys if there's a male or a female in the next one.

Do most people feel uncomfortable with the opposite sex naked? Isn't that assuming someone's gender (not sexuality)?

Jokes aside, I don't really think I'd care if I saw a mans penis or womans vagina in the bathroom.

Samuel T. Cogley

Men piss everywhere, but to really, really destroy a toilet it takes a women. I lasted three months working in the food sector and cleaning up after people.

Keep the ladies to their own space IMHO for no other reason.

D0NNELLY

Opposite sex using opposite bathrooms in Ireland..

Soooo.. just using the normal jax then

Thelomen Toblackai

My workplace must be 75% men. Yet there's 3 toilets for men and 3 for women. So if a man needs take a **** chances they have to wait even though the women's would be free. Because of a sign on the door.

Makes no sense.

mad muffin

ceadaoin. wrote: »

There is zero privacy in toilet stalls here in the U.S. For that reason I wouldn't feel comfortable using the restroom if there was a man in there, especially for period related stuff. Sorry

In Ireland, where you can't actually see directly into the cubicle, it wouldn't be as bad

Yeah, what's up with that? I was in New York last month and you could pass a loaf of bread between the gap of the doors of the cubicle.

Cortina_MK_IV

A few years back having a slash in a toilet in a shopping centre in Bangkok (don't) and a woman came in with a mop and just casually mops around me. My only problem was she didn't do a double take.

me_irl

Allinall wrote: »

If you stand up for a piss- Gentlemen

Sit down- Ladies.

Simples.

But women can piss standing up...

..and men can piss sitting down...

...it's PWC GONE MAD!

jeanjolie

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

My workplace must be 75% men. Yet there's 3 toilets for men and 3 for women. So if a man needs take a **** chances they have to wait even though the women's would be free. Because of a sign on the door.

Makes no sense.

Be honest, could they use the womens bathroom? I don't think you work in a conservative workplace.

Virtanen

There'a a cafe near me where, instead of having men's and women's toilets in different rooms, they have one room with 4 stalls*, and the stalls themselves are divided by gender. There's one for men, two for women and one for disabled. And instead of a communal sink/dryer etc., each stall has its own

As a man, I'd have no problem using one of the two women's stalls if there was someone in the men's, but tbh I would wait until there was nobody around to see me enter or leave said stall

*They are fully walled off from one another so technically they're rooms, but functionally I'd call them stalls

Thelomen Toblackai

jeanjolie wrote: »

Be honest, could they use the womens bathroom? I don't think you work in a conservative workplace.

But why have men's toilets and women's toilets ? Why not just have toilets? Maximise a human beings chance of being able to relieve himself when they need to !

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Samaris wrote: »

I'm neutral on it.

I'd avoid going into the mens as they tend to have urinals and I can quite understand that males might be uncomfortable with a woman in there when they have their lads out and are trying to peacefully get on with it. But when it's all stalls, I really could not give a monkeys if there's a male or a female in the next one.

Toilets in Paris have urinals on the wall for the gents and cubicles for the ladies/gents. Nobody seems to mind in the slightest.

Samaris

jeanjolie wrote: »

Do most people feel uncomfortable with the opposite sex naked? Isn't that assuming someone's gender (not sexuality)?

Jokes aside, I don't really think I'd care if I saw a mans penis or womans vagina in the bathroom.

It wouldn't really bother me, but I'd feel bad for someone that was shy about it who is literally caught with their pants down!

As for the gender thingie, it was a general assumption that the people using the urinals in the mens are balance-of-probability blokes with male genitalia :P

Although if you see a woman's vagina in the bathroom, either you or she are using the toilets wrong!

Shiloh Chilly Detergent wrote: »

Toilets in Paris have urinals on the wall for the gents and cubicles for the ladies/gents. Nobody seems to mind in the slightest.

Yeah, that's fair enough and tbh, it's probably something that once you're used to it, you don't even notice it. Although I think the urinals -tend- to be ..uh..like an L-shaped room, with the cubicles nearest the door, and the urinals down the other arm of the L for privacy? The few I've seen like that in Paris were, I think.

hatrickpatrick

It's pretty simple: If you're at a pissup venue (busy pub, nightclub etc) and you go into the opposite gender's bathroom, be prepared to be chanted at and generally ridiculed. If you do so and then get uptight about being the target of banterous jokes, you're an unimaginable muppet.

ceadaoin.

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Men piss everywhere, but to really, really destroy a toilet it takes a women. I lasted three months working in the food sector and cleaning up after people.

Keep the ladies to their own space IMHO for no other reason.

I see this posted on here all the time but honestly I've never experienced a ladies toilet that was that bad, and I've been in plenty of not so nice pubs.

Overheal

everyone's pee is the same color

(don't go WebMD on me just accept the point)

Pat Mustard

Overheal wrote: »

everyone's pee is the same color

Phew. Thought I was the only one with blue urine.

RiseToMe

RiseToMe wrote: »

Genuine question: what do you expect a transgender person to look like, if you reckon you can spot them straight off in bathrooms?

I'd be quite confident that I could pick spot a high percentage of transgender people from just looking at the person as they walked in

Mrs OBumble

Samaris wrote: »

As for the gender thingie, it was a general assumption that the people using the urinals in the mens are balance-of-probability blokes people with male genitalia :P

FYP

Samaris wrote: »

Although if you see a woman's vagina in the bathroom, either you or she are using the toilets wrong!

This. Soooo this.



As far as I'm concerned, if your gender doesn't match your genitals, then you have a gender disorder and are perfectly entitled to use the all-gender disabled toilet that every place is required to have.

If you think that's not fair because you're marked out as different - well I agree with you. It's as unfair to you as it is to the person using a wheelchair or whatever. Let's just make all toilets unisex.

And lads ... learn to piss in it not at it. The other thing we need in all public toilets is a flashing red light outside, which goes off of liquid goes in a place where liquid should not be.

jeanjolie

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd be quite confident that I could pick spot a high percentage of transgender people from just looking at the person as they walked in

Well that could be a form of confirmation bias seeing as those trans people who pass look like their desired gender but in general....You're right.

Day Lewin

Most ordinary houses have only one bathroom. Dad and brothers, Mam and sisters, all use it.
It has a lockable door. Public toilets have lockable doors too, so NOBODY gets "caught with their pants down"

I just don't get what all the fuss is about.
Period stuff is done behind closed doors. Only handwashing and maybe hair brushing is done in a communal area. You're welcome to watch me doing the lipstick.

As for speculation about what's inside somebody's knickers... that's none of my damn businesses, or anyone else's.

And that's my tuppenceworth on the matter.

El Tarangu

I managed to guess the Op again

Irish Guitarist

I don't now where this nonsense about 'gender neutral' bathrooms came from. If I'm taking a leak I don't want a load of women looking at me.

hatrickpatrick

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

I don't now where this nonsense about 'gender neutral' bathrooms came from. If I'm taking a leak I don't want a load of women looking at me.

Honestly, size doesn't matter as much as you think :pac:

Widdershins

Neutral. I don't mind.

One eyed Jack

Day Lewin wrote: »

I just don't get what all the fuss is about.

All the fuss is about using public bathrooms as a battleground to push a political ideology. Most people wouldn't ordinarily give a stiff one, but there are people that do, the most often mentioned reason is their personal safety, comfort and privacy. It's an argument that cuts both ways, but I personally would empathise with women who argue that they feel uncomfortable having to share their space with people who are transgender.

It's when people who are transgenger want to force the issue, that they get peoples backs up.

Stigura

Outlaw Pete

There's a unisex toilets in the Lighthouse Cinema in Smithfield.

Tbh I found using it it a little uncomfortable, knowing that women might be using the stalls next to me. So much so that I almost didn't cum.

_Brian

Jesus folks Irish people really do have a hang up on toilets and toilet habits.
Long as there's a door to close I really don't care who's in the stall beside me and what sign is on the door. If I'm at a urinal and there's ladies about I don't really mind.

In comparison in France it's anything goes, urinals on outside of the toilet buildings in the open, women and men mixed cubicles, it's just a non issue.

My only gripe is the state of toilets, people must have no control over their bodily functions at all.

bear1

It really annoys me when you're in the gents in a bar and women barge in and say queue too long and head straight for the stalls.
It's a really uncomfortable experience and you do see guys looking somewhat displeased.
I'd be very curious to know how women would react if it were the other way around?

Pinch Flat

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

A few years back having a slash in a toilet in a shopping centre in Bangkok (don't) and a woman came in with a mop and just casually mops around me. My only problem was she didn't do a double take.

You sure it was a woman?

Cortina_MK_IV

Pinch Flat wrote: »

You sure it was a woman?

Deffo, just an old cleaning woman. It's normal over there.

biko

If you won't pee standing up use a cubicle.

end

One eyed Jack

_Brian wrote: »

Jesus folks Irish people really do have a hang up on toilets and toilet habits.

Long as there's a door to close I really don't care who's in the stall beside me and what sign is on the door. If I'm at a urinal and there's ladies about I don't really mind.

In comparison in France it's anything goes, urinals on outside of the toilet buildings in the open, women and men mixed cubicles, it's just a non issue.

My only gripe is the state of toilets, people must have no control over their bodily functions at all.

But it's not just Irish folks though, is it? Gender segregated facilities are common in more countries than they aren't, and cherry picking examples from other countries doesn't invalidate the cultural norms of those countries where gender segregated facilities are the norm.

I can understand why people use their own perspective as the basis of their arguments to suggest that what they're comfortable with, other people should be comfortable with too. But that's spectacularly missing the point which is that other people, who aren't them, aren't comfortable with the idea of shared facilities.

The core issue here is really that people on either side of the argument feel that no consideration is being given to their rights to privacy, comfort and personal safety.

I get that it's important for people who are transgender to feel acceptance, that they pass as the gender they align themselves with, but they should also be considerate of the fact that they have no right to force people to accept them. That will only lead to further rejection and isolation for exactly the same behaviour as they feel is being forced upon them.

The argument is often used by people who are transgender that they don't feel safe, that their rights to privacy and comfort are being violated by having to use facilities which they are not comfortable with, but the solution to that issue, is not IMO, to try and force other people into the same position as them.

One eyed Jack

bear1 wrote: »

It really annoys me when you're in the gents in a bar and women barge in and say queue too long and head straight for the stalls.
It's a really uncomfortable experience and you do see guys looking somewhat displeased.
I'd be very curious to know how women would react if it were the other way around?

I've done it a couple of times and it's never been an issue, but I'm always considerate of the fact that for many women, it could be an issue. Generally in my experience, the women I've met just carry on about their business. I'm not suggesting that I have any right to be in there in the first place though.

howdoyouknow

Allinall wrote:

If you stand up for a piss- Gentlemen

Allinall wrote:

Sit down- Ladies.

If there's a free urinal stand and piss like a gentleman.

If there ain't one or your shy sit in the cubicle on the seat as its intended/made for.

The height that urinals are mounted on walls and the proximity in which we stand to them seems to suit most of the male folks

Too often when you need a **** you find that someone who can't piss straight because they've been up all night riding or they've just got a sprinkler for a penis has pissed all over the seat and or floor & cistern.

ceadaoin.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

All the fuss is about using public bathrooms as a battleground to push a political ideology. Most people wouldn't ordinarily give a stiff one, but there are people that do, the most often mentioned reason is their personal safety, comfort and privacy. It's an argument that cuts both ways, but I personally would empathise with women who argue that they feel uncomfortable having to share their space with people who are transgender.

It's when people who are transgenger want to force the issue, that they get peoples backs up.

It's being framed as a "bathroom" issue because most people don't care too much about that. but it's not just bathrooms. It's hospitals, women's shelters, nursing homes, locker rooms, psychiatric wards, prisons - anywhere that there are currently sex segregated facilities. It's understandable that some people might have issues sharing those spaces with people of the opposite sex

Burial.

As Helen Lovejoy would say "won't somebody think of the children". All well and good for adults who have no fuss about if the opposite sex sees some privates but with the kiddies it's best off they're kept separate imo.

El_Duderino 09

I work with a transgender woman. She is in the process of transitioning and when I joined the office she still used the men's toilet. Now she uses the women's. She came into the men's and went to the cubicle. Couldn't give a toss where she did her wees and poos.

I'd be in favour of unisex toilets and be done with it. Americans can be prudes who are terrified by any anyone who's different but we don't have to follow suit. We don't have to have these ridiculous arguments about toilets, we can just not give a shyte

Widdershins

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's being framed as a "bathroom" issue because most people don't care too much about that. but it's not just bathrooms. It's hospitals, women's shelters, nursing homes, locker rooms, psychiatric wards, prisons - anywhere that there are currently sex segregated facilities. It's understandable that some people might have issues sharing those spaces with people of the opposite sex

Burial. wrote: »

As Helen Lovejoy would say "won't somebody think of the children". All well and good for adults who have no fuss about if the opposite sex sees some privates but with the kiddies it's best off they're kept separate imo.

Those are fair points. More to it than meets the eye, maybe.

Widdershins

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I work with a transgender woman. She is in the process of transitioning and when I joined the office she still used the men's toilet. Now she uses the women's. She came into the men's and went to the cubicle. Couldn't give a toss where she did her wees and poos.

I'd be in favour of unisex toilets and be done with it. Americans can be prudes who are terrified by any anyone who's different but we don't have to follow suit. We don't have to have these ridiculous arguments about toilets, we can just not give a shyte

Good, but you all know each other there. It could be different for complete strangers, when the transgender person hasn't begun the physical transition yet and there's no outward indication that they're transgender. If women are uncomfortable with what looks like a man entering the bathroom or wherever (a few examples in the post I just quoted) what then?

I have a Male to Female trans friend who is mindful of other peoples sensitivites while she is undergoing the process.

El_Duderino 09

Widdershins wrote:

Good, but you all know each other there. It could be different for complete strangers, when the transgender person hasn't begun the physical transition yet and there's no outward indication that they're transgender. If women are uncomfortable with what looks like a man entering the bathroom or wherever (a few examples in the post I just quoted) what then?

It's just so done going for a widdle. Unisex toilets take the fear out if it. If those women have that much fear about other people in the toilet then it's probably a broader anxiety. People interact with people of all genres during the day, so there's no great need to pander to every little anxiety in the toilet. I don't know the people next to me in a public toilet. They could be anyone.

Widdershins

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's just so done going for a widdle. Unisex toilets take the fear out if it. If those women have that much fear about other people in the toilet then it's probably a broader anxiety. People interact with people of all genres during the day, so there's no great need to pander to every little anxiety in the toilet. I don't know the people next to me in a public toilet. They could be anyone.

Well I did say other situations in addition to bathrooms but yes, if they feel very anxious about it they probably do have other issues-so why be dismissive of them?

Why is that classed as pandering, but facilitating the trans womans preference by helping her with a bathroom situation that causes her anxiety, is not pandering?

Nabber

A lot of men piss in a cubicle. Shyness or awkwardness.

I don't see the issue with seperate toilets.
Also don't mind unisex.

Too much to worry about. Where I take a sh1t is not high on the list.

Lucy8080

Does anyone remember when the toilets were all fields?

AllForIt

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Does anyone remember when the toilets were all fields?

Are you from Leitrim?