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Opposite sex using opposite bathrooms in Ireland..

  • 25-05-2017 08:27PM
    #1
    jeanjolie
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    Do you approve, disapprove or have a neutral standpoint on this? Been thinking about the transgender bathroom debate in the US during 2015/16.

    I don't think I've really seen a transgender person let alone a man or woman using the opposite sex bathroom...Well I've seen more women using the males restroom.

    But I suppose the opposite doesn't happen for two reasons: 1.) Men don't really have a reason to go to women bathroom with the exception of them being closed since there are longer queues in the women's restroom 2.) High social stigma

    I suppose number 2 is the reason why we don't see this phenomena quite often but, I may be wrong. Have you seen this yourself and how did you react?


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  • #2
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,322 ✭✭✭Allinall


    If you stand up for a piss- Gentlemen

    Sit down- Ladies.

    Simples.


  • #3
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,675 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    There is zero privacy in toilet stalls here in the U.S. For that reason I wouldn't feel comfortable using the restroom if there was a man in there, especially for period related stuff. Sorry

    In Ireland, where you can't actually see directly into the cubicle, it wouldn't be as bad


  • #4
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    You have little to ponder, it would appear.

    There have been a few threads on this over the last couple of years.

    It doesn't bother me and I don't waste much time thinking about it. Some places here have unisex toilets. Sometimes a man has to use the Ladies as there are no baby changing facilities elsewhere.



    nolite ergo solliciti de rebus minor.


  • #5
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    I'm neutral on it.

    I'd avoid going into the mens as they tend to have urinals and I can quite understand that males might be uncomfortable with a woman in there when they have their lads out and are trying to peacefully get on with it. But when it's all stalls, I really could not give a monkeys if there's a male or a female in the next one.


  • #6
    RiseToMe
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    jeanjolie wrote: »

    I don't think I've really seen a transgender person let alone a man or woman using the opposite sex bathroom..

    Genuine question: what do you expect a transgender person to look like, if you reckon you can spot them straight off in bathrooms?


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  • #7
    jeanjolie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 484 ✭✭jeanjolie


    Samaris wrote: »
    I'm neutral on it.

    I'd avoid going into the mens as they tend to have urinals and I can quite understand that males might be uncomfortable with a woman in there when they have their lads out and are trying to peacefully get on with it. But when it's all stalls, I really could not give a monkeys if there's a male or a female in the next one.

    Do most people feel uncomfortable with the opposite sex naked? Isn't that assuming someone's gender (not sexuality)?

    Jokes aside, I don't really think I'd care if I saw a mans penis or womans vagina in the bathroom.


  • #8
    Samuel T. Cogley
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    Men piss everywhere, but to really, really destroy a toilet it takes a women. I lasted three months working in the food sector and cleaning up after people.

    Keep the ladies to their own space IMHO for no other reason.


  • #9
    D0NNELLY
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    Opposite sex using opposite bathrooms in Ireland..

    Soooo.. just using the normal jax then


  • #10
    Thelomen Toblackai
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    My workplace must be 75% men. Yet there's 3 toilets for men and 3 for women. So if a man needs take a **** chances they have to wait even though the women's would be free. Because of a sign on the door.

    Makes no sense.


  • #11
    mad muffin
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    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    There is zero privacy in toilet stalls here in the U.S. For that reason I wouldn't feel comfortable using the restroom if there was a man in there, especially for period related stuff. Sorry

    In Ireland, where you can't actually see directly into the cubicle, it wouldn't be as bad

    Yeah, what's up with that? I was in New York last month and you could pass a loaf of bread between the gap of the doors of the cubicle.


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  • #12
    Cortina_MK_IV
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭Cortina_MK_IV


    A few years back having a slash in a toilet in a shopping centre in Bangkok (don't) and a woman came in with a mop and just casually mops around me. My only problem was she didn't do a double take. :)


  • #13
    me_irl
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    Allinall wrote: »
    If you stand up for a piss- Gentlemen

    Sit down- Ladies.

    Simples.

    But women can piss standing up...

    ..and men can piss sitting down...

    ...it's PWC GONE MAD!


  • #14
    jeanjolie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 484 ✭✭jeanjolie


    Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »
    My workplace must be 75% men. Yet there's 3 toilets for men and 3 for women. So if a man needs take a **** chances they have to wait even though the women's would be free. Because of a sign on the door.

    Makes no sense.

    Be honest, could they use the womens bathroom? I don't think you work in a conservative workplace.


  • #15
    Virtanen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭Virtanen


    There'a a cafe near me where, instead of having men's and women's toilets in different rooms, they have one room with 4 stalls*, and the stalls themselves are divided by gender. There's one for men, two for women and one for disabled. And instead of a communal sink/dryer etc., each stall has its own

    As a man, I'd have no problem using one of the two women's stalls if there was someone in the men's, but tbh I would wait until there was nobody around to see me enter or leave said stall

    *They are fully walled off from one another so technically they're rooms, but functionally I'd call them stalls


  • #16
    Thelomen Toblackai
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    jeanjolie wrote: »
    Be honest, could they use the womens bathroom? I don't think you work in a conservative workplace.

    But why have men's toilets and women's toilets ? Why not just have toilets? Maximise a human beings chance of being able to relieve himself when they need to !


  • #17
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
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    Samaris wrote: »
    I'm neutral on it.

    I'd avoid going into the mens as they tend to have urinals and I can quite understand that males might be uncomfortable with a woman in there when they have their lads out and are trying to peacefully get on with it. But when it's all stalls, I really could not give a monkeys if there's a male or a female in the next one.

    Toilets in Paris have urinals on the wall for the gents and cubicles for the ladies/gents. Nobody seems to mind in the slightest.


  • #18
    Samaris
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,544 ✭✭✭Samaris


    jeanjolie wrote: »
    Do most people feel uncomfortable with the opposite sex naked? Isn't that assuming someone's gender (not sexuality)?

    Jokes aside, I don't really think I'd care if I saw a mans penis or womans vagina in the bathroom.

    It wouldn't really bother me, but I'd feel bad for someone that was shy about it who is literally caught with their pants down!

    As for the gender thingie, it was a general assumption that the people using the urinals in the mens are balance-of-probability blokes with male genitalia :P

    Although if you see a woman's vagina in the bathroom, either you or she are using the toilets wrong!
    Shiloh Chilly Detergent wrote: »
    Toilets in Paris have urinals on the wall for the gents and cubicles for the ladies/gents. Nobody seems to mind in the slightest.

    Yeah, that's fair enough and tbh, it's probably something that once you're used to it, you don't even notice it. Although I think the urinals -tend- to be ..uh..like an L-shaped room, with the cubicles nearest the door, and the urinals down the other arm of the L for privacy? The few I've seen like that in Paris were, I think.


  • #19
    hatrickpatrick
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    It's pretty simple: If you're at a pissup venue (busy pub, nightclub etc) and you go into the opposite gender's bathroom, be prepared to be chanted at and generally ridiculed. If you do so and then get uptight about being the target of banterous jokes, you're an unimaginable muppet.


  • #20
    ceadaoin.
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    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Men piss everywhere, but to really, really destroy a toilet it takes a women. I lasted three months working in the food sector and cleaning up after people.

    Keep the ladies to their own space IMHO for no other reason.

    I see this posted on here all the time but honestly I've never experienced a ladies toilet that was that bad, and I've been in plenty of not so nice pubs.


  • #21
    Overheal
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    everyone's pee is the same color

    (don't go WebMD on me just accept the point)


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  • #22
    Pat Mustard
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    Overheal wrote: »
    everyone's pee is the same color

    Phew. Thought I was the only one with blue urine.


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
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    RiseToMe wrote: »
    Genuine question: what do you expect a transgender person to look like, if you reckon you can spot them straight off in bathrooms?

    I'd be quite confident that I could pick spot a high percentage of transgender people from just looking at the person as they walked in


  • #24
    Mrs OBumble
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    Samaris wrote: »
    As for the gender thingie, it was a general assumption that the people using the urinals in the mens are balance-of-probability blokes people with male genitalia :P

    FYP

    Samaris wrote: »
    Although if you see a woman's vagina in the bathroom, either you or she are using the toilets wrong!

    This. Soooo this.



    As far as I'm concerned, if your gender doesn't match your genitals, then you have a gender disorder and are perfectly entitled to use the all-gender disabled toilet that every place is required to have.

    If you think that's not fair because you're marked out as different - well I agree with you. It's as unfair to you as it is to the person using a wheelchair or whatever. Let's just make all toilets unisex.

    And lads ... learn to piss in it not at it. The other thing we need in all public toilets is a flashing red light outside, which goes off of liquid goes in a place where liquid should not be.


  • #25
    jeanjolie
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'd be quite confident that I could pick spot a high percentage of transgender people from just looking at the person as they walked in

    Well that could be a form of confirmation bias seeing as those trans people who pass look like their desired gender but in general....You're right.


  • #26
    Day Lewin
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    Most ordinary houses have only one bathroom. Dad and brothers, Mam and sisters, all use it.
    It has a lockable door. Public toilets have lockable doors too, so NOBODY gets "caught with their pants down"

    I just don't get what all the fuss is about.
    Period stuff is done behind closed doors. Only handwashing and maybe hair brushing is done in a communal area. You're welcome to watch me doing the lipstick.

    As for speculation about what's inside somebody's knickers... that's none of my damn businesses, or anyone else's.

    And that's my tuppenceworth on the matter.


  • #27
    El Tarangu
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    I managed to guess the Op again :)


  • #28
    Irish Guitarist
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    I don't now where this nonsense about 'gender neutral' bathrooms came from. If I'm taking a leak I don't want a load of women looking at me.


  • #29
    hatrickpatrick
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    Irish Guitarist wrote: »
    I don't now where this nonsense about 'gender neutral' bathrooms came from. If I'm taking a leak I don't want a load of women looking at me.

    Honestly, size doesn't matter as much as you think :pac:


  • #30
    Widdershins
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    Neutral. I don't mind.


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  • #31
    One eyed Jack
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    Day Lewin wrote: »
    I just don't get what all the fuss is about.


    All the fuss is about using public bathrooms as a battleground to push a political ideology. Most people wouldn't ordinarily give a stiff one, but there are people that do, the most often mentioned reason is their personal safety, comfort and privacy. It's an argument that cuts both ways, but I personally would empathise with women who argue that they feel uncomfortable having to share their space with people who are transgender.

    It's when people who are transgenger want to force the issue, that they get peoples backs up.


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