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Opposite sex using opposite bathrooms in Ireland..

jeanjolie

Do you approve, disapprove or have a neutral standpoint on this? Been thinking about the transgender bathroom debate in the US during 2015/16.

I don't think I've really seen a transgender person let alone a man or woman using the opposite sex bathroom...Well I've seen more women using the males restroom.

But I suppose the opposite doesn't happen for two reasons: 1.) Men don't really have a reason to go to women bathroom with the exception of them being closed since there are longer queues in the women's restroom 2.) High social stigma

I suppose number 2 is the reason why we don't see this phenomena quite often but, I may be wrong. Have you seen this yourself and how did you react?

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Stigura

Outlaw Pete

There's a unisex toilets in the Lighthouse Cinema in Smithfield.

Tbh I found using it it a little uncomfortable, knowing that women might be using the stalls next to me. So much so that I almost didn't cum.

_Brian

Jesus folks Irish people really do have a hang up on toilets and toilet habits.
Long as there's a door to close I really don't care who's in the stall beside me and what sign is on the door. If I'm at a urinal and there's ladies about I don't really mind.

In comparison in France it's anything goes, urinals on outside of the toilet buildings in the open, women and men mixed cubicles, it's just a non issue.

My only gripe is the state of toilets, people must have no control over their bodily functions at all.

bear1

It really annoys me when you're in the gents in a bar and women barge in and say queue too long and head straight for the stalls.
It's a really uncomfortable experience and you do see guys looking somewhat displeased.
I'd be very curious to know how women would react if it were the other way around?

Pinch Flat

Cortina_MK_IV wrote: »

A few years back having a slash in a toilet in a shopping centre in Bangkok (don't) and a woman came in with a mop and just casually mops around me. My only problem was she didn't do a double take.

You sure it was a woman?

Cortina_MK_IV

Pinch Flat wrote: »

You sure it was a woman?

Deffo, just an old cleaning woman. It's normal over there.

biko

If you won't pee standing up use a cubicle.

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One eyed Jack

_Brian wrote: »

Jesus folks Irish people really do have a hang up on toilets and toilet habits.

Long as there's a door to close I really don't care who's in the stall beside me and what sign is on the door. If I'm at a urinal and there's ladies about I don't really mind.

In comparison in France it's anything goes, urinals on outside of the toilet buildings in the open, women and men mixed cubicles, it's just a non issue.

My only gripe is the state of toilets, people must have no control over their bodily functions at all.

But it's not just Irish folks though, is it? Gender segregated facilities are common in more countries than they aren't, and cherry picking examples from other countries doesn't invalidate the cultural norms of those countries where gender segregated facilities are the norm.

I can understand why people use their own perspective as the basis of their arguments to suggest that what they're comfortable with, other people should be comfortable with too. But that's spectacularly missing the point which is that other people, who aren't them, aren't comfortable with the idea of shared facilities.

The core issue here is really that people on either side of the argument feel that no consideration is being given to their rights to privacy, comfort and personal safety.

I get that it's important for people who are transgender to feel acceptance, that they pass as the gender they align themselves with, but they should also be considerate of the fact that they have no right to force people to accept them. That will only lead to further rejection and isolation for exactly the same behaviour as they feel is being forced upon them.

The argument is often used by people who are transgender that they don't feel safe, that their rights to privacy and comfort are being violated by having to use facilities which they are not comfortable with, but the solution to that issue, is not IMO, to try and force other people into the same position as them.

One eyed Jack

bear1 wrote: »

It really annoys me when you're in the gents in a bar and women barge in and say queue too long and head straight for the stalls.
It's a really uncomfortable experience and you do see guys looking somewhat displeased.
I'd be very curious to know how women would react if it were the other way around?

I've done it a couple of times and it's never been an issue, but I'm always considerate of the fact that for many women, it could be an issue. Generally in my experience, the women I've met just carry on about their business. I'm not suggesting that I have any right to be in there in the first place though.

howdoyouknow

Allinall wrote:

If you stand up for a piss- Gentlemen

Allinall wrote:

Sit down- Ladies.

If there's a free urinal stand and piss like a gentleman.

If there ain't one or your shy sit in the cubicle on the seat as its intended/made for.

The height that urinals are mounted on walls and the proximity in which we stand to them seems to suit most of the male folks

Too often when you need a **** you find that someone who can't piss straight because they've been up all night riding or they've just got a sprinkler for a penis has pissed all over the seat and or floor & cistern.

ceadaoin.

One eyed Jack wrote: »

All the fuss is about using public bathrooms as a battleground to push a political ideology. Most people wouldn't ordinarily give a stiff one, but there are people that do, the most often mentioned reason is their personal safety, comfort and privacy. It's an argument that cuts both ways, but I personally would empathise with women who argue that they feel uncomfortable having to share their space with people who are transgender.

It's when people who are transgenger want to force the issue, that they get peoples backs up.

It's being framed as a "bathroom" issue because most people don't care too much about that. but it's not just bathrooms. It's hospitals, women's shelters, nursing homes, locker rooms, psychiatric wards, prisons - anywhere that there are currently sex segregated facilities. It's understandable that some people might have issues sharing those spaces with people of the opposite sex

Burial.

As Helen Lovejoy would say "won't somebody think of the children". All well and good for adults who have no fuss about if the opposite sex sees some privates but with the kiddies it's best off they're kept separate imo.

El_Duderino 09

I work with a transgender woman. She is in the process of transitioning and when I joined the office she still used the men's toilet. Now she uses the women's. She came into the men's and went to the cubicle. Couldn't give a toss where she did her wees and poos.

I'd be in favour of unisex toilets and be done with it. Americans can be prudes who are terrified by any anyone who's different but we don't have to follow suit. We don't have to have these ridiculous arguments about toilets, we can just not give a shyte

Widdershins

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's being framed as a "bathroom" issue because most people don't care too much about that. but it's not just bathrooms. It's hospitals, women's shelters, nursing homes, locker rooms, psychiatric wards, prisons - anywhere that there are currently sex segregated facilities. It's understandable that some people might have issues sharing those spaces with people of the opposite sex

Burial. wrote: »

As Helen Lovejoy would say "won't somebody think of the children". All well and good for adults who have no fuss about if the opposite sex sees some privates but with the kiddies it's best off they're kept separate imo.

Those are fair points. More to it than meets the eye, maybe.

Widdershins

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I work with a transgender woman. She is in the process of transitioning and when I joined the office she still used the men's toilet. Now she uses the women's. She came into the men's and went to the cubicle. Couldn't give a toss where she did her wees and poos.

I'd be in favour of unisex toilets and be done with it. Americans can be prudes who are terrified by any anyone who's different but we don't have to follow suit. We don't have to have these ridiculous arguments about toilets, we can just not give a shyte

Good, but you all know each other there. It could be different for complete strangers, when the transgender person hasn't begun the physical transition yet and there's no outward indication that they're transgender. If women are uncomfortable with what looks like a man entering the bathroom or wherever (a few examples in the post I just quoted) what then?

I have a Male to Female trans friend who is mindful of other peoples sensitivites while she is undergoing the process.

El_Duderino 09

Widdershins wrote:

Good, but you all know each other there. It could be different for complete strangers, when the transgender person hasn't begun the physical transition yet and there's no outward indication that they're transgender. If women are uncomfortable with what looks like a man entering the bathroom or wherever (a few examples in the post I just quoted) what then?

It's just so done going for a widdle. Unisex toilets take the fear out if it. If those women have that much fear about other people in the toilet then it's probably a broader anxiety. People interact with people of all genres during the day, so there's no great need to pander to every little anxiety in the toilet. I don't know the people next to me in a public toilet. They could be anyone.

Widdershins

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

It's just so done going for a widdle. Unisex toilets take the fear out if it. If those women have that much fear about other people in the toilet then it's probably a broader anxiety. People interact with people of all genres during the day, so there's no great need to pander to every little anxiety in the toilet. I don't know the people next to me in a public toilet. They could be anyone.

Well I did say other situations in addition to bathrooms but yes, if they feel very anxious about it they probably do have other issues-so why be dismissive of them?

Why is that classed as pandering, but facilitating the trans womans preference by helping her with a bathroom situation that causes her anxiety, is not pandering?

Nabber

A lot of men piss in a cubicle. Shyness or awkwardness.

I don't see the issue with seperate toilets.
Also don't mind unisex.

Too much to worry about. Where I take a sh1t is not high on the list.

Lucy8080

Does anyone remember when the toilets were all fields?

AllForIt

Lucy8080 wrote: »

Does anyone remember when the toilets were all fields?

Are you from Leitrim?

Persephone kindness

I demand my own private bathroom

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HalloweenJack

I was in Sweden a while back and a lot of the bathrooms were unisex. The counter for the sinks and mirrors are all the same but the cubicles are unmarked and the bathroom is just the bathroom, no symbols.

Was a bit odd at first, I'll admit. I was certain I'd walked into the women's toilet by accident but after the first few times, I didn't give it any more thought. As it was in cubicles with high walls, it was fine. Some places had bathrooms and a separate cove (behind a door) for a pissing wall.

annascott

The transsexual thing does not bother me at all. If he is dressed as and looks like a woman, come in) however a lot of men are more likely to do more than pass water in a toilet (and leave a mess)whereas women will wait until they get home. For this reason I do not like the idea of unisex toilets for all.

Mrs OBumble

ceadaoin. wrote: »

It's being framed as a "bathroom" issue because most people don't care too much about that. but it's not just bathrooms. It's hospitals, women's shelters, nursing homes, locker rooms, psychiatric wards, prisons - anywhere that there are currently sex segregated facilities. It's understandable that some people might have issues sharing those spaces with people of the opposite sex

Neither hospitals nor nursing homes are gender segregated.

Persephone kindness

Trans women are just women not opposite sex. SO obv a trans woman would use the ladies.

TPD

annascott wrote: »

The transsexual thing does not bother me at all. If he is dressed as and looks like a woman, come in) however a lot of men are more likely to do more than pass water in a toilet (and leave a mess)whereas women will wait until they get home. For this reason I do not like the idea of unisex toilets for all.

Women don't **** in public toilets? And what's the extra mess - it all flushes away?

Ciaran_B

I'm a guy but can't use a urinal so it's the cubicle every time for me. For purely selfish I'd rather women don't come into the Gents to keep the numbers down.

thelad95

What really makes me laugh is when a restaurant only has two cubicles for restroom facilities and they still put a sign for mens and women's outside like does it really make a difference in this situation?

If the 'gents' is locked in this situation I'll use the 'ladies' and I've often been waiting while both are locked to see a woman come out of the 'gents'. Common sense has to prevail somewhere.

NinjaKirby

Why do we even have ladies and gentlemen's separate lavatories in public places to begin with? Safety?

Let's say the entirety of the USA and Canada moved to unisex toilets in public places then how long would it take before people were demanding separate toilets on the grounds of creating safe spaces? I'm thinking of quiet bus or train stations at night or toilets in quiet shopping malls.

I think there would probably be a spike in certain incidents and people would probably be demanding that Men be confined to their own toilets in the interests of public safety. I know this makes me sound somewhat prejudiced against men but I think we all know that harassment etc would be rife in some of these places and the response to that would be predictable. "We need women only toilets".

I'm not understanding how, in Western society, we are discussing if we should have women only carriages on trains and women only gyms while at the same time also suggesting that we get rid of women only toilets?

Persephone kindness

NinjaKirby wrote: »

"We need women only toilets".

I'm not understanding how, in Western society, we are discussing if we should have women only carriages on trains and women only gyms while at the same time also suggesting that we get rid of women only toilets?

Ok but the lads would have to comply with having sanitary towel disposal bins in their jacks plus off chance of seeing blood in the toilet sometimes.

Plus the chance of a woman struggling with a tampon. (STUFF GOES ON!)

In all seriousness I think it's to do with the fact that younger girls might feel it's weird to go to the same loo as a guy in his 30's.

Maybe not ...shrug. Maybe it's the way forward.