Terrorist Attack in Manchester (Read MOD WARNING in OP Updated 24/05/2017))

Help!!!!

bubblypop wrote: »

you seem to be hung up about the Quran.
and muslims in general.
this is a thread about a terrorist attack in manchester........

So??
I was replying to another poster maybe read their post followed by mine to get the context of the conversation

Help!!!!

Help!!!! wrote: »

So??
I was replying to another poster maybe read their post followed by mine to get the context of the conversation

I read it thanks, but i have also read enough of your posts to know you clearly have an agenda against Islam.

Help!!!!

bubblypop wrote: »

I read it thanks, but i have also read enough of your posts to know you clearly have an agenda against Islam.

Yes your right

Hank Scorpio

Regardless of the argument about the terrorism risk ( and there is a serious argument there ), integration of people from certain regions has utterly failed, caused social disharmony and has unfairly disrupted the lives of people who had no say in it. That in itself is reason enough to strongly question the benefits of bringing certain groups of people in who fail to add anything to society. Words of Angela Merkel make it pretty clear. Some people call it Racism but I call it reality. Allowing people to come to your country who don't want to contribute and have views incompatible with ours isn't bigotry, it's common sense, race or skin colour don't come into it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/12/14/angela-merkel-multiculturalism-is-a-sham/?utm_term=.075c5e5c5a91

"Multiculturalism leads to parallel societies and therefore remains a ‘life lie,’ ” or a sham, she said.

"We kidded ourselves a while, we said: 'They won't stay, sometime they will be gone', but this isn't reality." "Of course the tendency had been to say, 'Let's adopt the multicultural concept and live happily side by side, and be happy to be living with each other.' But this concept has failed, and failed utterly,"

An old Germany Poll by the NYT's in 2010

"The Muslim community was particularly singled out by respondents. Over 55 percent of respondents said Arabs were not pleasant people."

wonderfullife

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

That in itself is reason enough to strongly question the benefits of bringing certain groups of people in who fail to add anything to society.

There's just over 20,000 doctors in Ireland. Over 2,500 of them are Muslim.

We're talking specifically in this thread about the religion of Islam relative to terrorism and you're trying to insinuate that these people don't add much to our society.

There would be a national crisis in the morning if we didn't have those 2,500 immigrant Muslim doctors in this country.

What bigger way can a group of people contribute to society than saving our lives on a daily basis?

Some of the attitudes on here are disgusting, trying to paint an entire religion and people who practice it as evil. Touch wood but one of those awful Muslims who add nothing to society might be called upon to save your life some day.

Shurimgreat

I see the old "you don't like Islam so you must be racist" card is being played by some.

Islam is an ideology, much like all religions as well as communism, socialism and the like. Because you dislike a particular ideology does not mean you hate the people who adhere to it.

Islam is creating a massive willing pool of people who are prepared to do what it takes to spread that ideology up to and including blowing themselves and others up. I for one believe it's a dangerous ideology, more compatible with the 7th century than today. It has had a very violent history, and the idea that is should be considered the religion of peace is a nonsense and unfortunately a myth that many people have discovered all too late.

Help!!!!

wonderfullife wrote: »

There's just over 20,000 doctors in Ireland. Over 2,500 of them are Muslim.

We're talking specifically in this thread about the religion of Islam relative to terrorism and you're trying to insinuate that these people don't add much to our society.

There would be a national crisis in the morning if we didn't have those 2,500 immigrant Muslim doctors in this country.

What bigger way can a group of people contribute to society than saving our lives on a daily basis?

Some of the attitudes on here are disgusting, trying to paint an entire religion and people who practice it as evil. Touch wood but one of those awful Muslims who add nothing to society might be called upon to save your life some day.

Well as of 2015 20% of the Muslim population in the UK was in full time employment. Immigration works IF the immigrants benefit the country, those doctors wanted to come to Ireland for work, so no problem. How many of the refugees have been dreaming their whole lives about coming to Ireland?? Do you think they even knew where we were?
You got to understand that people are going to be a bit wary of these refugees when they see whats happened in Sweden,Germany,France,UK etc. Mass immigration does not work because it does not give the immigrants an incentive to integrate into the local community. For example if someone comes on their own (with family) they are forced to learn the language & integrate, if hundreds or thousands come at once then they dont have to bother as much

Help!!!!

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I see the old "you don't like Islam so you must be racist" card is being played by some.

Islam is an ideology, much like all religions as well as communism, socialism and the like. Because you dislike a particular ideology does not mean you hate the people who adhere to it.

Islam is creating a massive willing pool of people who are prepared to do what it takes to spread that ideology up to and including blowing themselves and others up. I for one believe it's a dangerous ideology, more compatible with the 7th century than today. It has had a very violent history, and the idea that is should be considered the religion of peace is a nonsense and unfortunately a myth that many people have discovered all too late.

I keep hearing Muslims only make up a small percentage of the population so what harm can they do. You only need to look at the Lebanon to see what will happen. Why is it that ex Muslims say that Muslims want Islam to take over the world?
On another note out of 50 Moroccan child refugees, 48 were proven to be adults. Are we sure we are not going to have grown men in school with young girls?

Widdershins

wonderfullife wrote: »

There's just over 20,000 doctors in Ireland. Over 2,500 of them are Muslim.

We're talking specifically in this thread about the religion of Islam relative to terrorism and you're trying to insinuate that these people don't add much to our society.

There would be a national crisis in the morning if we didn't have those 2,500 immigrant Muslim doctors in this country.

What bigger way can a group of people contribute to society than saving our lives on a daily basis?

Some of the attitudes on here are disgusting, trying to paint an entire religion and people who practice it as evil. Touch wood but one of those awful Muslims who add nothing to society might be called upon to save your life some day.

The other poster is very clearly not talking about Muslims who are integrated and working etc. It's pretty obvious that they're not talking about every single Muslim.
The fact that some of them are working for the health service has no bearing on immigration concerns.

bodhrandude

I seen a report there about 80 killed and 320 injured during a suicide bomb attack in Kabul, crazy stuff.

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bodhrandude wrote: »

I seen a report there about 80 killed and 320 injured during a suicide bomb attack in Kabul, crazy stuff.

Yeah as people broke fast for Ramadan. Even religious times of the year mean nothing to them

pilly

bodhrandude wrote: »

I seen a report there about 80 killed and 320 injured during a suicide bomb attack in Kabul, crazy stuff.

Did that not happen yesterday?

Widdershins

Help!!!! wrote: »

Well as of 2015 20% of the Muslim population in the UK was in full time employment. Immigration works IF the immigrants benefit the country, those doctors wanted to come to Ireland for work, so no problem. How many of the refugees have been dreaming their whole lives about coming to Ireland?? Do you think they even knew where we were?
You got to understand that people are going to be a bit wary of these refugees when they see whats happened in Sweden,Germany,France,UK etc. Mass immigration does not work because it does not give the immigrants an incentive to integrate into the local community. For example if someone comes on their own (with family) they are forced to learn the language & integrate, if hundreds or thousands come at once then they dont have to bother as much

On that note, I wasn't aware until now that there's been a series of honour killings in Germany. I knew it happened when families forced daughters/wives/sisters back to their country of origin and committed the crime there, but hadn't realised it actually happens on German soil

Help!!!!

Widdershins wrote: »

On that note, I wasn't aware until now that there's been a series of honour killings in Germany. I knew it happened when families forced daughters/wives/sisters back to their country of origin and committed the crime there, but hadn't realised it actually happens on German soil

It is well known that you do not dishonor the family in Pakistani & Bangladeshi custom. People on here somehow believe that they dont bring their customs with them:rolleyes:

Shurimgreat

Help!!!! wrote: »

It is well known that you do not dishonor the family in Pakistani & Bangladeshi custom. People on here somehow believe that they dont bring their customs with them:rolleyes:

There is an inherent conservatism in these cultures which I think Islam compliments, a reluctance to move with the times, to embrace progress, individual rights over the rights of the family or the collective as well as maintenance of patriarchal societies.

Many from this background may not be terrorists, but they certainly have trouble embracing western liberal values. Like you say, they bring much of their home country's customs with them. I suppose it would be like Irish people when they emigrate to America and second and third generation Irish, who want to maintain a link to Ireland.

muppetshow

BoatMad wrote: »

I remain hopeful and I believe Europe will weather this onslaught without any descent into radicalism , the recent elections in France and the election of either Schult or Merkel bodes well for the continuation of tolerance

I would say Europe is going into a state of war,cause i think people have had enough of these naive politicians ruining the countries.

Tomatoheadfred

I see the touts have got their grubby paws on 10k tickets for the upcoming benefit concert. They truly are scum.

Help!!!!

Tomatoheadfred wrote: »

I see the touts have got their grubby paws on 10k tickets for the upcoming benefit concert. They truly are scum.

Just as bad are the idiots willing to hand over money to them

Trump_Wall

Even if there were no Islamist extremist attacks, I'd still want to limit mass Islamic immigration into European society.

Mass Islamic immigration isn't just the transfer of people, but also the transfer of ideas. That's why poll after poll shows that integrated Western Muslims still hold to antediluvian views of women and homosexuality.

However, given that Islamist attacks are now the new norm, there is added impetus toward restricting mass Islamic immigration into Europe. The values of Islam, even in moderate form, are antithetical to Western values. Just because a small minority embrace the entirety of Western values should not cloud the very real reality of what most Muslims - according to the aforementioned polls - actually think.

This is an uncomfortable reality that we must, however a-liberal it comes across, come to terms with. Until we do, we'll continue to ebb away at the values that previous generations sought and fought to enjoy.

Elmer Blooker

Trump_Wall wrote: »

Even if there were no Islamist extremist attacks, I'd still want to limit mass Islamic immigration into European society.

I think its worth noting that half a million Christians have fled Syria since that country ended up on the NATO hit list.

Trump_Wall

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I think its worth noting that half a million Christians have fled Syria since that country ended up on the NATO hit list.

Let's take the Christians, en masse. Let adjacent Islamic countries absorb the Islamic refugees.

It's also worth noting that the current wave of mass Islamic immigrants also includes a significant portion of north, west and east African Muslims. This isn't just a Syrian question.

I would also add that genuine Syrian refugees should be plucked from camps in the Middle East. They should not be allowed to escape Greece or Turkey (or any other route). We should not be encouraging their passage into Europe.

Really Interested

Just breaking 'Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916

Really Interested

Trump_Wall wrote: »

Let's take the Christians, en masse. Let adjacent Islamic countries absorb the Islamic refugees.

It's also worth noting that the current wave of mass Islamic immigrants also includes a significant portion of north, west and east African Muslims. This isn't just a Syrian question.

I would also add that genuine Syrian refugees should be plucked from camps in the Middle East. They should not be allowed to escape Greece or Turkey (or any other route). We should not be encouraging their passage into Europe.

The vast majority of displaced people from the Middle East are housed in the Middle East. Turkey being the largest host.

Top 10 host countries

1 Turkey 1.84 million
2 Pakistan 1.5 million
3 Lebanon 1.2 million
4 Islamic Republic of Iran 982,000
5 Ethiopia 702,500
6 Jordan 664,100
7 Kenya 552,300
8 Uganda 428,400
9 Chad 420,800
10 Sudan 356,200

Published: August 8, 2016
By: Amber Pariona

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/countries-hosting-the-largest-number-of-refugees-in-the-world.html

Trump_Wall

Really Interested wrote: »

The vast majority of displaced people from the Middle East are housed in the Middle East. Turkey being the largest host.

Yes - and let's keep the rest there, too.

Shurimgreat

Really Interested wrote: »

Just breaking 'Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916

I hope its not yet another brainwashed radical adherent of the religion of peace that is responsible. If it is, then we are moving towards this becoming an almost weekly occurrence.

muppetshow

Shurimgreat wrote: »

I hope its not yet another brainwashed radical adherent of the religion of peace that is responsible. If it is, then we are moving towards this becoming an almost weekly occurrence.

We are moving towards a very bad future for Europe as well unless some action is taken soon.

Tin Foil Hat

There's the maddest scene on Sky news right now, with hundreds of people walking down the street with their hand on their heads.

Feckoffcup

Average day in londistan

Feckoffcup

Average day in londistan

Tin Foil Hat

Feckoffcup wrote: »

Average day in londistan

Ah! Will ya stop. Gobsh!te.