aaron hernandez psycho or another victim?

PREG1967

the story of aaron hernandez reads like an example of the massive waste of potential
was he just another psycho or is the US culture of violence to blame for the creation of so many psycho killers? I think the latter, what about you?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/american-sports/former-nfl-star-aaron-hernandez-found-dead-in-his-prison-cell-35635527.html

Billy86

He got involved in gang life young and clearly just got too much of a taste for it - he was one of the best young players in the NFL and was one year into a 5-6 year, $40mn deal. He was a big name on one of the biggest teams (New England Patriots), as a guy whose #1 job was catching the ball had probably the best quarterback ever passing to him, playing for the best coach ever, and was also seen as pretty marketable. He was 23 years old and had everything going for him. Have to feel terrible for his family, but the guy has no excuses - he had it all, and gave it up for being a scumbag. A number of ex teammates came not long after and didn't exactly have great things to say about him, either.

And it's not like this was some kind of isolated, heat-of-the-moment type incident or anything for him either - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Hernandez#Legal_issues

Richard Hillman

He was a psycho. Had a long list of incidents and there are probably incidents we don't know of too.

If he didn't play football he would have still been embedded in gang life. Playing football and becoming a millionaire probably just prolonged the inevitable. Although I think he's broke at this stage.


Another point about his finances. He spent millions appealing the second murder incident (of which he was innocent). No matter what, he was spending his life in prison anyway for his first murder. He could have just saved the money and let his wife and child live a comfortable life but instead he blew it all on his own reasons.

PREG1967

Billy86 wrote: »

He got involved in gang life young and clearly just got too much of a taste for it - he was one of the best young players in the NFL and was one year into a 5-6 year, $40mn deal. He was a big name on one of the biggest teams (New England Patriots), as a guy whose #1 job was catching the ball had probably the best quarterback ever passing to him, playing for the best coach ever, and was also seen as pretty marketable. He was 23 years old and had everything going for him. Have to feel terrible for his family, but the guy has no excuses - he had it all, and gave it up for being a scumbag. A number of ex teammates came not long after and didn't exactly have great things to say about him, either.

And it's not like this was some kind of isolated, heat-of-the-moment type incident or anything for him either - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Hernandez#Legal_issues

he was acquitted of double murder, not sure how that happened but if it was Ireland he would do 5 years for the single slaying

Pac1Man

Excuse my ignorance but what was the point in fighting the double murder if he will still serve life for the previous killing? Is there now a chance he will be released based on the acquittal?

Stheno

Pac1Man wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but what was the point in fighting the double murder if he will still serve life for the previous killing? Is there now a chance he will be released based on the acquittal?

Eh hes dead?

Hande hoche!

Pac1Man wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but what was the point in fighting the double murder if he will still serve life for the previous killing? Is there now a chance he will be released based on the acquittal?

He's dead.

Pac1Man

Oh shiit!

riffmongous

Pac1Man wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but what was the point in fighting the double murder if he will still serve life for the previous killing? Is there now a chance he will be released based on the acquittal?

Em, he's dead

PREG1967

Pac1Man wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but what was the point in fighting the double murder if he will still serve life for the previous killing? Is there now a chance he will be released based on the acquittal?

he ded

Pac1Man

So just to confirm, he's dead then?

Hande hoche!

Stheno wrote: »

Eh hes dead?

Hande hoche! wrote: »

He's dead.

riffmongous wrote: »

Em, he's dead

PREG1967 wrote: »

he ded

Snap!

PREG1967

Pac1Man wrote: »

So just to confirm, he's dead then?

brown bread

riffmongous

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Snap!

Now I wish I'd gone with "He's dead Jim"

Stheno

PREG1967 wrote: »

brown bread

They don't have brown bread in murica

ceadaoin.

Pac1Man wrote: »

Excuse my ignorance but what was the point in fighting the double murder if he will still serve life for the previous killing? Is there now a chance he will be released based on the acquittal?

Well we've established that he's dead anyway! I read that he was appealing the conviction and since he has died now there is some rule in that state that the charges will be dropped as it was in the process of appeal. Therefore his family will be entitled to his nfl pension as there will be no convictions against his name

Hande hoche!

Stheno wrote: »

They don't have brown bread in murica

Freedom bread?

Stheno

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Freedom bread?

Corn bread

Pac1Man

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well we've established that he's dead anyway! I read that he was appealing the conviction and since he has died now there is some rule in that state that the charges will be dropped as it was in the process of appeal. Therefore his family will be entitled to his nfl pension as there will be no convictions against his name

Oh wow.

Yamanoto

Stheno wrote: »

They don't have brown bread in murica

African American bread?

PREG1967

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Well we've established that he's dead anyway! I read that he was appealing the conviction and since he has died now there is some rule in that state that the charges will be dropped as it was in the process of appeal. Therefore his family will be entitled to his nfl pension as there will be no convictions against his name

brown bread aside thats wild, but he was convicted, surely that stands

Hande hoche!

Yamanoto wrote: »

African American bread?

White flour!

ceadaoin.

PREG1967 wrote: »

brown bread aside thats wild, but he was convicted, surely that stands

No, because they were in appeal at the time of his death. Now the appeals can't be heard so his convictions will be vacated

Billy86

Hande hoche! wrote: »

Freedom bread?

Brown bread in 'Murca is illegal.

Billy86

Hande hoche! wrote: »

White flour!

http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/white-flour/?fdo=&productid=603&style=a&color=28&size=3%3A+CHOOSE+A+SIZE&stype=&is_fivestar=

Hande hoche!

Billy86 wrote: »

http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/white-flour/?fdo=&productid=603&style=a&color=28&size=3%3A+CHOOSE+A+SIZE&stype=&is_fivestar=

It's a great shirt. Perfect for the Alt Rye.

PREG1967

ceadaoin. wrote: »

No, because they were in appeal at the time of his death. Now the appeals can't be heard so his convictions will be vacated

so he died an innocent man?

ceadaoin.

PREG1967 wrote: »

so he died an innocent man?

I suppose technically because his appeal hadn't been heard yet


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/04/19/aaron-hernandez-murder-conviction-likely-to-be-expunged-massachusetts-appeals-court-patriots/100645758/

PREG1967

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I suppose technically because his appeal hadn't been heard yet


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/04/19/aaron-hernandez-murder-conviction-likely-to-be-expunged-massachusetts-appeals-court-patriots/100645758/

so in that case he was thinking about his wife and child :eek: and he died a good father

helimachoptor

he's a moron, wasted his talent in order to be the "big man", his daughter is the only one i feel sorry for

PREG1967

helimachoptor wrote: »

he's a moron, wasted his talent in order to be the "big man", his daughter is the only one i feel sorry for

true but its shocking, have we got abatement in Ireland before i google it?

helimachoptor

PREG1967 wrote: »

true but its shocking, have we got abatement in Ireland before i google it?

Not that im aware

Richard Hillman

Apparently his prison cell was 2 miles away from the Patriots stadium, with nothing much in between them. So he would have heard the Cheers from the stadium every second Sunday.

PREG1967

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Apparently his prison cell was 2 miles away from the Patriots stadium, with nothing much in between them. So he would have heard the Cheers from the stadium every second Sunday.

his teammates are visiting Trump in the White House this weekend, Im sure that made him think

PREG1967

this UK story is the closest similarity to the abatement in this case:
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/judges-overturn-conviction-of-man-found-guilty-of-sex-offences-after-his-death-784704.html

Yamanoto

Hande hoche! wrote: »

White flour!

Ku Klux Flan?

Richard Hillman

PREG1967 wrote: »

his teammates are visiting Trump in the White House this weekend, Im sure that made him think

It was Today actually. Which is quite poignant.

PREG1967

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It was Today actually. Which is quite poignant.

visiting trump or thinking?

DrumSteve

Hande hoche! wrote: »

White flour!

I hear there is definitely a rise in it

benjamin d

Hande hoche! wrote: »

White flour!

Underrated toast post.

PREG1967

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Apparently his prison cell was 2 miles away from the Patriots stadium, with nothing much in between them. So he would have heard the Cheers from the stadium every second Sunday.

was he in fact murdered??

"Aaron Hernandez's former agent isn't convinced it was suicide and at least one person might agree"


https://sports.yahoo.com/news/aaron-hernandez-agent-isnt-convinced-suicide-least-one-person-might-agree-142229813.html

PREG1967

PREG1967 wrote: »

was he just another psycho or is the US culture of violence to blame for the creation of so many psycho killers? I think the latter, what about you?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/american-sports/former-nfl-star-aaron-hernandez-found-dead-in-his-prison-cell-35635527.html

Maybe he wasn't psycho, or a victim, maybe he was just a murderer?

PREG1967

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe he wasn't psycho, or a victim, maybe he was just a murderer?

or maybe he was innocent?

PREG1967

PREG1967 wrote: »

or maybe he was innocent?

Do you think he was innocent?

PREG1967

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you think he was innocent?

im on the fence, need convincing
fox43:
Looking at it all, Tracy said there was just one clear path to Hernandez’s freedom.

“His only way out of jail is a governor’s pardon,” he said.

evidence collected in Lloyd’s death led to two more murder charges against Hernandez in a separate case in Boston. He has pleaded not guilty. That trail is scheduled to begin in May, but officials say it will be pushed back.

http://uk.businessinsider.com-
While the acquittal did not affect the Lloyd case directly, some legal experts felt it could have assisted Hernandez's chances in an appeal, since it was considered part of the motive.

---so if evidence collected in Lloyd’s death led to two more murder charges that were dropped was that evidence sound?

PREG1967

PREG1967 wrote: »

im on the fence, need convincing
fox43:
Looking at it all, Tracy said there was just one clear path to Hernandez’s freedom.

“His only way out of jail is a governor’s pardon,†he said.

evidence collected in Lloyd’s death led to two more murder charges against Hernandez in a separate case in Boston. He has pleaded not guilty. That trail is scheduled to begin in May, but officials say it will be pushed back.

http://uk.businessinsider.com-
While the acquittal did not affect the Lloyd case directly, some legal experts felt it could have assisted Hernandez's chances in an appeal, since it was considered part of the motive.

---so if evidence collected in Lloyd’s death led to two more murder charges that were dropped was that evidence sound?

Yeah but...he was found guilty by a jury, right? And that jury would have been warned by his highly paid legal team about the "slight" nature of certain evidence, including evidence that might be tendered in an unrelated case for which he had not been convicted? A case being dropped does not mean that all evidence gathered in that case ceases to exist or be relevant, right?

PREG1967

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah but...he was found guilty by a jury, right? And that jury would have been warned by his highly paid legal team about the "slight" nature of certain evidence, including evidence that might be tendered in an unrelated case for which he had not been convicted? A case being dropped does not mean that all evidence gathered in that case ceases to exist or be relevant, right?

No the jury were not told about the second case it was kept from them after charges had been laid

endacl

Pac1Man wrote: »

So just to confirm, he's dead then?

PREG1967

PREG1967 wrote: »

No the jury were not told about the second case it was kept from them after charges had been laid

Now you've lost me. Was it considered in his case or not?

valoren

Yamanoto wrote: »

Ku Klux Flan?

Ah here, let's have naan of that carry on.

PREG1967

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Now you've lost me. Was it considered in his case or not?

You are lost? The jury were not privy to that info.
What do you mean considered? The jury were privy to the info so how could they consider it?