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aaron hernandez psycho or another victim?

PREG1967

the story of aaron hernandez reads like an example of the massive waste of potential
was he just another psycho or is the US culture of violence to blame for the creation of so many psycho killers? I think the latter, what about you?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/american-sports/former-nfl-star-aaron-hernandez-found-dead-in-his-prison-cell-35635527.html

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helimachoptor

PREG1967 wrote: »

true but its shocking, have we got abatement in Ireland before i google it?

Not that im aware

Richard Hillman

Apparently his prison cell was 2 miles away from the Patriots stadium, with nothing much in between them. So he would have heard the Cheers from the stadium every second Sunday.

PREG1967

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Apparently his prison cell was 2 miles away from the Patriots stadium, with nothing much in between them. So he would have heard the Cheers from the stadium every second Sunday.

his teammates are visiting Trump in the White House this weekend, Im sure that made him think

PREG1967

this UK story is the closest similarity to the abatement in this case:
http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/judges-overturn-conviction-of-man-found-guilty-of-sex-offences-after-his-death-784704.html

Yamanoto

Hande hoche! wrote: »

White flour!

Ku Klux Flan?

Richard Hillman

PREG1967 wrote: »

his teammates are visiting Trump in the White House this weekend, Im sure that made him think

It was Today actually. Which is quite poignant.

PREG1967

Richard Hillman wrote: »

It was Today actually. Which is quite poignant.

visiting trump or thinking?

DrumSteve

Hande hoche! wrote: »

White flour!

I hear there is definitely a rise in it

benjamin d

Hande hoche! wrote: »

White flour!

Underrated toast post.

PREG1967

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Apparently his prison cell was 2 miles away from the Patriots stadium, with nothing much in between them. So he would have heard the Cheers from the stadium every second Sunday.

was he in fact murdered??

"Aaron Hernandez's former agent isn't convinced it was suicide and at least one person might agree"

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/aaron-hernandez-agent-isnt-convinced-suicide-least-one-person-might-agree-142229813.html

[Deleted User]

PREG1967 wrote: »

was he just another psycho or is the US culture of violence to blame for the creation of so many psycho killers? I think the latter, what about you?
http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/american-sports/former-nfl-star-aaron-hernandez-found-dead-in-his-prison-cell-35635527.html

Maybe he wasn't psycho, or a victim, maybe he was just a murderer?

PREG1967

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe he wasn't psycho, or a victim, maybe he was just a murderer?

or maybe he was innocent?

[Deleted User]

PREG1967 wrote: »

or maybe he was innocent?

Do you think he was innocent?

PREG1967

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you think he was innocent?

im on the fence, need convincing
fox43:
Looking at it all, Tracy said there was just one clear path to Hernandez’s freedom.

“His only way out of jail is a governor’s pardon,” he said.

evidence collected in Lloyd’s death led to two more murder charges against Hernandez in a separate case in Boston. He has pleaded not guilty. That trail is scheduled to begin in May, but officials say it will be pushed back.

http://uk.businessinsider.com-
While the acquittal did not affect the Lloyd case directly, some legal experts felt it could have assisted Hernandez's chances in an appeal, since it was considered part of the motive.

---so if evidence collected in Lloyd’s death led to two more murder charges that were dropped was that evidence sound?

[Deleted User]

PREG1967 wrote: »

im on the fence, need convincing
fox43:
Looking at it all, Tracy said there was just one clear path to Hernandezâ€™s freedom.

â€œHis only way out of jail is a governorâ€™s pardon,â€ he said.

evidence collected in Lloydâ€™s death led to two more murder charges against Hernandez in a separate case in Boston. He has pleaded not guilty. That trail is scheduled to begin in May, but officials say it will be pushed back.

http://uk.businessinsider.com-
While the acquittal did not affect the Lloyd case directly, some legal experts felt it could have assisted Hernandez's chances in an appeal, since it was considered part of the motive.

---so if evidence collected in Lloydâ€™s death led to two more murder charges that were dropped was that evidence sound?

Yeah but...he was found guilty by a jury, right? And that jury would have been warned by his highly paid legal team about the "slight" nature of certain evidence, including evidence that might be tendered in an unrelated case for which he had not been convicted? A case being dropped does not mean that all evidence gathered in that case ceases to exist or be relevant, right?

PREG1967

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah but...he was found guilty by a jury, right? And that jury would have been warned by his highly paid legal team about the "slight" nature of certain evidence, including evidence that might be tendered in an unrelated case for which he had not been convicted? A case being dropped does not mean that all evidence gathered in that case ceases to exist or be relevant, right?

No the jury were not told about the second case it was kept from them after charges had been laid

endacl

Pac1Man wrote: »

So just to confirm, he's dead then?

[Deleted User]

PREG1967 wrote: »

No the jury were not told about the second case it was kept from them after charges had been laid

Now you've lost me. Was it considered in his case or not?

valoren

Yamanoto wrote: »

Ku Klux Flan?

Ah here, let's have naan of that carry on.

PREG1967

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Now you've lost me. Was it considered in his case or not?

You are lost? The jury were not privy to that info.
What do you mean considered? The jury were privy to the info so how could they consider it?

Richard Hillman

Just read a theory, which makes a lot of sense if it is legit.

If you die in a Massachusetts prison before you have exhausted all methods of appeal, you are deemed to be not guilty of any crime. So as of now, Aaron Hernandez is not guilty of anything.

As he is not guilty of any crime, this means the Patriots have to pay him (his family) roughly 15million.

If it's true then he left the world with a little bit of dignity. Still a murderer and a crap human being but did one good deed before he died.

PREG1967

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Just read a theory, which makes a lot of sense if it is legit.

If you die in a Massachusetts prison before you have exhausted all methods of appeal, you are deemed to be not guilty of any crime. So as of now, Aaron Hernandez is not guilty of anything.

As he is not guilty of any crime, this means the Patriots have to pay him (his family) roughly 15million.

If it's true then he left the world with a little bit of dignity. Still a murderer and a crap human being but did one good deed before he died.

ye the majority of what you infer is roughly true, its 'quirky' according to the Americans, he died conviction free, may actually have been cleared or the victim of a miscarriage of justice

ceadaoin.

An autopsy has shown that Hernandez was suffering from CTE and his family are now bringing a lawsuit against the NFL and the new England Patriots. So maybe he was a victim after all. A recent study found signs of the disease in the brains of 110 out of 111 former footballers that were examined. The NFL can't cover this up anymore.

BOSTON -- Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez had a severe case of the degenerative brain disease chronic traumatic encephalopathy, researchers said on Thursday. His lawyer announced a lawsuit against the NFL and the team, accusing them of hiding the true dangers of the sport.

Dr. Ann McKee, the director of the CTE Center at Boston University, said Hernandez had stage 3 (out of 4) of the disease, which can cause violent mood swings, depression and other cognitive disorders.

"We're told it was the most severe case they had ever seen for someone of Aaron's age," attorney Jose Baez said.

Hernandez was 27 when he killed himself in April in the prison cell where he was serving a life-without-parole sentence for murder. Baez said Hernandez had shown signs of memory loss, impulsivity and aggression that could be attributed to CTE.

[Deleted User]

ceadaoin. wrote: »

An autopsy has shown that Hernandez was suffering from CTE and his family are now bringing a lawsuit against the NFL and the new England Patriots. So maybe he was a victim after all. A recent study found signs of the disease in the brains of 110 out of 111 former footballers that were examined. The NFL can't cover this up anymore.

Still a HUGE difference between saying someone has CTE on one hand, and is not legally responsible for their actions on the other.

Billy86

There's also a big difference between whether someone would have done what they did without suffering from CTE in events like this. Hard to say with Hernandez though, because he was heavily involved in gangs from a very young age.