100 gay men detained in 'concentration camps' in Chechnya — read first post

ceadaoin.

Mod note:

Peregrine wrote: »

This thread goes off-topic far too easily. Obviously, Islamic attitudes to homosexuality is related to the topic but soapboxing about Islam in general, crimes committed by Muslims around the world, immigration etc. has nothing to do with homosexual concentration camps in Chechnya. Keep the thread on topic please.

Generalisations and hate speech won't be tolerated. Tone it down.

Mod

Haven't seen this posted here. Shocking that this can go on in this day and age. I wonder if Putin will do anything or is Chechnya pretty much independent?


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chechnya-detains-100-gay-men-first-concentration-camps-since-holocaust-1616363

Chechnya detains 100 gay men in first concentration camps since the Holocaust

More than 100 gay men have been detained in concentration camp-style prisons in the Russian region of Chechnya, according to reports by local newspapers and human rights organisations.

The arrests are being made as part of a widespread anti-LGBT purge in the area. The prison camps are the first to be established for LGBT people since the Second World War.

The information was first published by the Novaya Gazeta, an independent Russian newspaper, which reported that men were being arrested and kept in concentration camp prisons where violence and abuse is commonplace.


Repressions against the LGBT community began after an application for a gay rights march in the Chechen capital of Grozny.

A prison camp has reportedly been established in the town of Argun, according to eyewitness testimonies.

The report was published on the 1 April, prompting the spokesperson for Chechnya's Interior Ministry to dismiss the claims as an "April Fools' joke".

The press secretary for Ramzan Kadyrov, the head of the Chechen Republic, described the report as "lies" and stated there were no gay people in Chechnya.

"If there were such people in Chechnya, law-enforcement agencies wouldn't need to have anything to do with them because their relatives would send them somewhere from which there is no returning," he said.


Human rights organisations have corroborated the information published by Novaya Gazeta.

"For several weeks now, a brutal campaign against LGBT people has been sweeping through Chechnya. Law enforcement and security agency officials under control of the ruthless head of the Chechen Republic, Ramzan Kadyrov, have rounded up dozens of men on suspicion of being gay, torturing and humiliating the victims," a report by Human Rights Watch states.

"Some of the men have forcibly disappeared. Others were returned to their families barely alive from beatings. At least three men apparently have died since this brutal campaign began."

tomwaterford

Whatll they do if the ghays all start riding in the concentration camp :pac:












*sad that this has to be said for clarity.....Im completely againest what is going on here-concentration camps

Stigura

Chechnya? Homosexuals? Peace be upon them

b_mac2

Muslims persecuting homosexuals? Well I never...

nacho libre

Just as was the case in Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Iran, Ramzan Kadyrov has stated there are no homosexuals in Chechyna. :pac:

For all that vile brat knows some of his inner circle could be homosexual.

alchemist33

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Haven't seen this posted here. Shocking that this can go on in this day and age. I wonder if Putin will do anything or is Chechnya pretty much independent?

Putin defending gay people? :pac::pac::pac:

Temptamperu

oh jeezus

Luggnuts

Is this real?

ceadaoin.

nacho libre wrote: »

Just as was the case in Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Iran, Ramzan Kadyrov has stated there are no homosexuals in Chechyna. :pac:

For all that vile brat knows some of his inner circle could be homosexual.

More disturbing is the fact that he claims there are no homosexuals because if there were their families would kill them.

Often these people, such as pastors and politicians etc rabidly preaching against gays, turn out to be gay themselves

nacho libre

ceadaoin. wrote: »

More disturbing is the fact that he claims there are no homosexuals because if there were their families would kill them.

Often these people, such as pastors and politicians etc rabidly preaching against gays, turn out to be gay themselves

True. He could well be a closet case.

Richard Hillman

Chechnya pretty much runs by itself away from Russia. There is a general agreement of "Don't act the bollox and we won't flatten the place again".

suicide_circus

This lad is mad for the wavin

toyota carina II

that is very unfair as the lbgt community have been one of the biggest and most vocal supporters of refugee- asylum seeker rights,


it's 1000 miles away now in chechnya but we must not invite this kind of carry on into dublin

SEPT 23 1989

Sure look at what they do to school kids when they want to make a point

Animals

maxwell smart

Do you ever find yourself looking at something like this, or the gassing of children on Syria, or shooting of kids in a US school and ask yourself......

What the f**k are the people behind this thinking.

Is this proof that people are not inherently good?

We are so helpless here in Ireland where some people think starting a campaign on Facebook will actually make a difference.


I worry for the future

KERSPLAT!

tomwaterford wrote: »

Whatll they do if the ghays all start riding in the concentration camp :pac:


*sad that this has to be said for clarity.....Im completely againest what is going on here-concentration camps

Sad that this is considered humour by some considering the story.

gctest50

tomwaterford wrote: »

Whatll they do if the ghays all start riding in the camp.

They've already killed three of them

They're probably the lucky ones considering :





http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/world/europe/beslan-school-siege-fast-facts/

DrumSteve

gctest50 wrote: »

They've already killed three of them

They're probably the lucky ones considering :



https://m.liveleak.com/view?/url]

Should put a warning on the link.

Annasopra

tomwaterford wrote: »

Whatll they do if the ghays all start riding in the concentration camp :pac

*sad that this has to be said for clarity.....Im completely againest what is going on here-concentration camps

Kill them ffs. What do you think a concentration camp is?
Sad that people think this sort of thing can be joked about.

Irish Praetorian

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Kill them ffs. What do you think a concentration camp is?
Sad that people think this sort of thing can be joked about.

When you start to see as much of this kind of carry on as there is, joking becomes the only way to make it tolerable.

KERSPLAT!

gctest50 wrote: »

They've already killed three of them

They're probably the lucky ones considering :



https://m.liveleak.com/view?


http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/09/world/europe/beslan-school-siege-fast-facts/

If there's anything in that video that shouldn't be on boards I'd advise you remove it.

Samuel T. Cogley

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Shocking that this can go on in this day and age.

The problem is what day and age is that, it's the dark ages in many parts of the World. Most of Ireland seems to have made it to about 1970 thankfully.

On a lighter note:

Warning - Item The Dagestan Beheading Massacre might contain content that is not suitable for all ages.

You don't say...

Luggnuts

Who is responsible for this?

The Backwards Man

Pardon my French, but that dickhead has spent half his life trying to get as far up Putin's hole as he can, I seriously doubt he's acting without the blessing of his sugar daddy.

Noveight

I've always felt lucky to be living in Ireland but all the dark, twisted international news recently has me thinking that this little island is an absolute gem.

gizmo81

I remember reading about the Pink Triangle when I was a teenager and the sadness that crept into me, knowing that people exactly like me were tortured and exterminated because of who they were.

It's unbelievable to think this is happening again.

AnthonyCny

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Haven't seen this posted here. Shocking that this can go on in this day and age. I wonder if Putin will do anything or is Chechnya pretty much independent?


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chechnya-detains-100-gay-men-first-concentration-camps-since-holocaust-1616363

There were concentration camps in Bosnia and Serbia in the 90s during that war.

Gatling

And to think people will travel to Russia​ for the world​ cup and this is considered acceptable

DrumSteve

Gatling wrote: »

And to think people will travel to Russia​ for the world​ cup and this is considered acceptable

What?

Travelling to Russia?

Donal55

Gatling wrote: »

And to think people will travel to Russia​ for the world​ cup and this is considered acceptable

Didn't our state broadcaster support Kazaksthan with the Eurovision and their record wasn't exactly 'Rights if Man' either.

wakka12

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

When you start to see as much of this kind of carry on as there is, joking becomes the only way to make it tolerable.

if somebody jokes about it they just don't care. Fair enough but don't try to say its because its so sad that joking is the only thing that makes it bearable for you.. so ridiculous

wakka12

Noveight wrote: »

I've always felt lucky to be living in Ireland but all the dark, twisted international news recently has me thinking that this little island is an absolute gem.

It really really is. Its why the moany posts by the privileged ****s on here complaining about ireland being loike a third world country annoy the hell out of me

Irish Praetorian

wakka12 wrote: »

if somebody jokes about it they just don't care. Fair enough but don't try to say its because its so sad that joking is the only thing that makes it bearable for you.. so ridiculous

Oh spare me the self righteousness, we have no shortage of problems in the world today because people go off on campaigns against people not caring enough, or not taking something seriously enough, or not treating something respectfully enough. I've been following the plight of gay people in backwards ****holes like this far longer than this case, I don't need some johnny-come-lately showing up and pontificating about how he feels I'm not reacting toward it properly.

wakka12

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

Oh spare me the self righteousness, we have no shortage of problems in the world today because people go off on campaigns against people not caring enough, or not taking something seriously enough, or not treating something respectfully enough. I've been following the plight of gay people in backwards ****holes like this far longer than this case, I don't need some johnny-come-lately showing up and pontificating about how he feels I'm not reacting toward it properly.

Whatever, the joke wasnt funny and I don't see why you're defending it.

Ten of Swords

Human rights groups and LGBT rights organizations in Russia have been collecting eyewitness testimonies. There are stories circulating that some of the men are being persecuted by their own families after being released.

It happened in an abandoned hut next to Argun city. He was detained on February 28. Fifteen people were locked in the same hut with him, including famous in Chechnya hairdresser and showman. The detained were beaten, tortured with electricity. The anonymous source provided the photos with extensive hematomas. The detained were not fed properly. Sometimes people were beaten to death. On March 5, one young man (N) was taken away by his father and brother. The relatives handcuffed him and drove him away. He never returned at home. The rest of the detained were told: "If there are men in your families, the will kill you like N"

https://lgbtnet.org/en/content/order-get-confession-they-beat-him-hose-and-tortured-electricity

ceadaoin.

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Human rights groups and LGBT rights organizations in Russia have been collecting eyewitness testimonies. There are stories circulating that some of the men are being persecuted by their own families after being released.



https://lgbtnet.org/en/content/order-get-confession-they-beat-him-hose-and-tortured-electricity

Jesus, that is sickening

Noveight

Noveight wrote: »

I've always felt lucky to be living in Ireland but all the dark, twisted international news recently has me thinking that this little island is an absolute gem.

For now..

oneilla

b_mac2 wrote: »

Muslims persecuting homosexuals? Well I never...

As part of your right wing political position do you hate Muslims and homosexuals or just one of them?

b_mac2

oneilla wrote: »

As part of your right wing political position do you hate Muslims and homosexuals or just one of them?

Yawn.

I never said, nor implied either of those things. But to answer your hysteria, I hate all religions and feel sorry for people who believe in it. You'll love this too, my best friend is gay!

Sonics2k

oneilla wrote: »

As part of your right wing political position do you hate Muslims and homosexuals or just one of them?

I mean, let's be totally fair here. Muslim countries worldwide don't exactly have a great record when it comes to LGBT rights.

Sure, we can talk and complain about legitimate concerns of the treatment of LGBT people in the West, but an awful lot of Muslim countries do currently execute members of the LGBT community.

padd b1975

Kinda puts Panty's whinging about getting the side-eyes as he minces along the street into perspective.

AudreyHepburn

I though this kind of thing had ended with the Bosnian War - horrendous to think this can still happen in this day and age.

skankkuvhima

I would hate to be LGBT living in a muslim country, I mean concentration camps, ffs :mad:

Mr. CooL ICE

padd b1975 wrote: »

Kinda puts Panty's whinging about getting the side-eyes as he minces along the street into perspective.

What's this supposed to mean? Gay people in another country are put in concentration camps, therefore Panti shouldn't talk about equal treatment in his own country?

BlinkingLights

It's crazy that this is being allowed to happen. Chechnya is part of the Russian Federation and clearly Putin's establishment attitudes to gay rights are playing a role in this as the state has done little to crack down on it and has allowed and encouraged a toxic atmosphere to develop where it is possible.

The way LGBT people are abused, beaten and even killed in some of these hellholes is just sickening and frankly, no state is standing up for them strongly enough.

it really pisses me off that as societies we are all being slimey, mealy-mouthed, craven and willing to turn a blind eye and to do business with countries where gay people are regularly killed and tortured with full state sanction. We also continue to trade with countries where women are routinely severely oppressed.

If an ethnic group or a religious group was getting this kind of abuse that the LGBT community gets, the EU and the US would be calls to apply trade sanctions but, when it comes to murdering gay people it's all just hand wringing because there's a big conservative, homophobic monster still sitting on western governments' shoulders too. They're more gay-friendly in many cases than actually willing to defend gay rights.

It's about time people shrugged off the homophobia, grew a pair and actually stood up for their gay brothers, sisters, cousins and fellow humans.

Either we support gay rights or we don't. There are certain things you have to be unequivocally about and this is one of them.

There's too much wishy-washy lack of doing anything about this.

You're in Ireland, we may not individually have that much power as citizens of a very small country, but but we have freedom of speech and a political system that is responsive and we are members of a global economic superpower (the EU) :

start emailing some TDs and MEPs and demanding something be done! All it takes is a few lines on an email to at least put this on someone's agenda and start making these governments wake up a bit.

Start posting on social media - use what democratic power you have to kick up at least some kind of a fuss about this.

It's sad that this can go on without causing much of a fuss at all, whereas a guy gets dragged off a plane by an airline behaving abysmally and mishandling overbooking and we have the social media pitch forks out and we're all off on a boycott.

It just shows where our priorities are..

padd b1975

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

What's this supposed to mean? Gay people in another country are put in concentration camps, therefore Panti shouldn't talk about equal treatment in his own country?

Panti is doing just fine as far as I can see, wouldn't hurt him to acknowledge that.

Sonics2k

padd b1975 wrote: »

Panti is doing just fine as far as I can see, wouldn't hurt him to acknowledge that.

I don't recall Panti ever saying otherwise.

Just because a tragedy is happening in another country doesn't mean people here should stop talking about issues affecting them directly.

Sure it's not on the same scale, but it's still a valid issue.

BlinkingLights

And so begins the utterly myopic and mildly homophobic "ah aren't they all creating a big fuss about nothing. Sure don't they have gay pride and all." statements...

Which translates as : shut up and go away.

ChikiChiki

Noveight wrote: »

I've always felt lucky to be living in Ireland but all the dark, twisted international news recently has me thinking that this little island is an absolute gem.

You are correct and lets make sure we keep it that way. Its wholly up to ourselves. Sweden, Germany, France and other places on the continent finding their tolerance levels being tested at the moment by an influx of people with a different way of thinking.

Special Circumstances

I wonder will the "not all extremists" crew from the Sweden thread come in here and say "snot so bad - more LGBT are killed by car accidents than chechens?"



I should hope not, but you'd have to wonder why it's acceptable in the Sweden thread.

BattleCorp

This story was first floated on April 1st, wasn't it?

Is this story true? I haven't seen it on Sky News or the BBC. With so much fake news doing the rounds, I'm at the stage where I believe fcukall that's on the internet.