Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

Buer

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The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Was working in thomond so didnt really see game and havent yet today either

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Garces was not rubbish at all. Any reason why you think that?

I mean, I get it...you're a referee and you don't like to see them criticised.

However, it's hard to have a conversation about a refereeing performance if you take a definitive your position whilst simultaneously admitting you haven't seen the match.

Buer

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mystic86 wrote: »

If Munster and Saracens qualify for the semi final Saracens will have home country advantage, but where would that game be held?

Two of their three semi finals in receny years were in Twickenham. It makes sense for them given many of their players would be very familiar with the ground.

The other semi final they had was in the Madejski in Reading.

Faugheen

stephen_n wrote: »

It would seem that Munster have been terribly unlucky with every referee they have had this season. One would almost have to assume it’s a conspiracy.

I know, they rightly booed off Frank Murphy at half time after giving 2 yellows and a red to the opposition. Total failure!

The Lost Sheep

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

Buer wrote: »

I mean, I get it...you're a referee and you don't like to see them criticised.

However, it's hard to have a conversation about a refereeing performance if you take a definitive your position whilst simultaneously admitting you haven't seen the match.

Fair enough. But so many posts are just the ref was crap and nothing specific about the performance.
fine criticise the time they allow defence/attack hold ball or whatever for turnovers at breakdown or general discussion at the breakdown. its very hard to have a conversation about a refereeing performance when people just go immediately with the ref was crap and have nothing to say about that. there can be multiple offences at a lot of breakdowns for example and you cant sanction many or the game goes to pot.

troyzer

You have to think it's not in Edinburgh's best interest to open up Murrayfield and try to pack it out.

For every extra Edinburgh fan they get, they'd get an extra two or three Munster fans.

I know extra revenue and all of that but they'd be in danger of making it a Munster home game.

Eod100

troyzer wrote: »

You have to think it's not in Edinburgh's best interest to open up Murrayfield and try to pack it out.

For every extra Edinburgh fan they get, they'd get an extra two or three Munster fans.

I know extra revenue and all of that but they'd be in danger of making it a Munster home game.

It's their home ground though so don't there's much leeway to so anything else. They posted last night it would be Murrayfield.

troyzer

Eod100 wrote: »

It's their home ground though so don't there's much leeway to so anything else. They posted last night it would be Murrayfield.

I know that but most of the upper tiers are closed for Edinburgh games like Racing with their games.

There's been speculation that they might open up most or all of the stadium because of the huge demand. But it could end up being a Munster home game.

Eod100

troyzer wrote: »

I know that but most of the upper tiers are closed for Edinburgh games like Racing with their games.

There's been speculation that they might open up most or all of the stadium because of the huge demand. But it could end up being a Munster home game.

Ah I get ya now. Thank that's due to demand though? Their attendances seem to be about 10k. If there's demand to sell more tickets it would seem hard to refuse. EPCR may have more of a say than Edinburgh too!

troyzer

Eod100 wrote: »

Ah I get ya now. Thank that's due to demand though? Their attendances seem to be about 10k. If there's demand to sell more tickets it would seem hard to refuse. EPCR may have more of a say than Edinburgh too!

They'd be trading off revenue for losing home field advantage. I don't think anyone would dispute that. The Red Army will get there in waves.

Eod100

troyzer wrote: »

They'd be trading off revenue for losing home field advantage. I don't think anyone would dispute that. The Red Army will get there in waves.

Yeah I just don't know how they could justify it. Wouldn't they have to make 25% of capacity available to Munster?
Only seeing now that Edinburgh are playing Leinster the Friday before the qf. That could be ideal preparation for them.

aloooof

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Shefwedfan wrote: »

Who said it was? I would post the same thing on Ireland/Ulster/Connacht thread....

With one notable exception, which belies a complete lack of self-awareness.

razorblunt

troyzer wrote: »

I know that but most of the upper tiers are closed for Edinburgh games like Racing with their games.

There's been speculation that they might open up most or all of the stadium because of the huge demand. But it could end up being a Munster home game.

This will be Edinburgh's biggest game since they played Toulouse in the QF about 5 seasons ago.

They more than half filled in then too, with Munster coming they'll sell bucket loads of tickets.

El Vino

I don't want to count my chickens, but if Saracens are at home in a semi final does that mean they have control of the stadium announcer and PA system? I seriously doubt I could stomach my ears being assaulted by the Stand up for the Saracens jingle every time we tried to sing.

Tomtom364

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El Vino wrote: »

I don't want to count my chickens, but if Saracens are at home in a semi final does that mean they have control of the stadium announcer and PA system? I seriously doubt I could stomach my ears being assaulted by the Stand up for the Saracens jingle every time we tried to sing.

If I remember correctly it's an EPCR event like the final so hopefully they wouldn't allow that.

Kirk Van Houten

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Tim Robbins wrote: »

I think the weak links are:

1. Lack a classy 7
2. The combinations. Beirne is classy mobile forward - the rest are gnarlers.
3. Carberry is a flair player. Munster 12 - 15 are good but there's there's no-once at Carberrys's level to benefit from him
4. Expectation. Munster DNA is all about backs to the wall and grinding out victories, out muscle, out mongrel teams. Carberry and Beirne are super players and great additions but you'd get even more out of them if they were playing in a team that took more risks with the ball. They give great performances in the red jersey but they would be even more effective if there was similar players and a more open game plan used by the team.

Munster DNA is more about beating the forwards and waiting til there is space outside rather than trying to make it off first phase or counter attacking.

Similarly, the Munster fans have a reference point of O'Gara and O'Connell. Class players that played a certain way. I am just not sure if the current Munster with really only 3 home stars (Earls, O'Mahony, Murray) can resonate with the people and the 16th man as much.

Whats a "classy 7"?
Dont see issue with the 7s and different types Munster have at their disposal.
I disagree on Carbury and the pedestal you have him on regarding creativity with other backs. Scannell is being made play a type of game he isnt necessarily the best at.

Caranica wrote: »

Some big stand outs for me today that might not have made the general comments :

Rory Scannell is an excellent passer but today got repeatedly used as an isolated battering ram. No point in having possession if you're going to turn it over /concede a penalty.

Murray. Injury? Wasn't his best game. Some questionable calls about when to pass and when to box kick.

Loughman. Got pushed off tackles way more than a man of his size should be, some questionable positioning in the loose too. Didn't think today was a great outing for him.

Garces was mostly rubbish, hoping for a better ref for quarter. Have a feeling we'll get Nigel though

Was working in thomond so didnt really see game and havent yet today either and i agree on Scannell.
Agree on Murray but dont think Injury was reason
Garces was not rubbish at all. Any reason why you think that?

Garces in general was good but his reffing of the scrum was awful. Munster were clearly dominant with Killer and Ryan on but Exeter refused to scrum straight and keep it up. Once made to Munster hammered them. Garces let the Exeter tight head in particular get away with murder, collapsing, driving sideways, resets and didn't penalise them half enough. If it was Poite they would have been looking at multiple cards and better attacking opportunities for Munster.

ShortKickOut

Hi folks not sure if this has been asked sorry if I missed it. What day is the game likely to be fixed for and when do they release the fixtures?

troyzer

ShortKickOut wrote: »

Hi folks not sure if this has been asked sorry if I missed it. What day is the game likely to be fixed for and when do they release the fixtures?

It'll either be Friday the 28th March or Saturday the 29th. Very unlikely to be the Sunday, the French want that fixture.

Eod100

troyzer wrote: »

It'll either be Friday the 28th March or Saturday the 29th. Very unlikely to be the Sunday, the French want that fixture.

Friday's 29th, Saturday 30th. Think it will be 2 on the Sat, 2 on the Sun. Hearts v Aberdeen down for 3 on Sat and Celtic v Rangers on 12 the Sunday. Maybe Leinster Saturday eve ko. Saracens before. Edinburgh Sunday afternoon. Racing Sunday Eve. Should be out by end of week tho

Buer

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Edinburgh play a lot of their home games on Friday nights including 2 of their 3 home pool matches. The majority of their Pro14 games at home are also on Friday night. If I had to guess, I'd say it's the most likely game for the Friday night slot.

Racing will be on Sunday, Leinster vs Ulster would be almost certain to be on Saturday so I'd say it's either the Saracens match or Edinburgh/Munster on Friday.

My guess would be:

Edinburgh vs Munster - Friday
Saracens vs Glasgow - early Saturday
Leinster vs Ulster - late afternoon Saturday
Racing vs Toulouse - Sunday

EDIT: Eod100's scenario is a definite possibility too. They've removed the Friday night game a lot in recent seasons.

troyzer

Buer wrote: »

Edinburgh play a lot of their home games on Friday nights including 2 of their 3 home pool matches. The majority of their Pro14 games at home are also on Friday night. If I had to guess, I'd say it's the most likely game for the Friday night slot.

Racing will be on Sunday, Leinster vs Ulster would be almost certain to be on Saturday so I'd say it's either the Saracens match or Edinburgh/Munster on Friday.

My guess would be:

Edinburgh vs Munster - Friday
Saracens vs Glasgow - early Saturday
Leinster vs Ulster - late afternoon Saturday
Racing vs Toulouse - Sunday

I think you've nailed it.

Eod100

Buer wrote: »

Edinburgh play a lot of their home games on Friday nights including 2 of their 3 home pool matches. The majority of their Pro14 games at home are also on Friday night. If I had to guess, I'd say it's the most likely game for the Friday night slot.

Racing will be on Sunday, Leinster vs Ulster would be almost certain to be on Saturday so I'd say it's either the Saracens match or Edinburgh/Munster on Friday.

My guess would be:

Edinburgh vs Munster - Friday
Saracens vs Glasgow - early Saturday
Leinster vs Ulster - late afternoon Saturday
Racing vs Toulouse - Sunday

EDIT: Eod100's scenario is a definite possibility too. They've removed the Friday night game a lot in recent seasons.

I'm a bit biased because I've booked my flight to arrive in at on Friday evening so would prefer it anytime bar Friday night! :P could be a bit of hassle if Brexit starts then too. Sunday not ideal but bit better than Friday I think.

Riskymove

flights back on Sunday night already over 200

if game is Fri or Sat costs a bit better for now but would soon change once known

Riskymove

Eod100 wrote: »

Hearts v Aberdeen down for 3 on Sat and Celtic v Rangers on 12 the Sunday.

I would have thought theses fixtures make Friday night more likely to avoid clash

having said that Hearts and Hibs were playing when I was in Edinburgh previously for rugby and it didn't really impact

Buer

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Riskymove wrote: »

flights back on Sunday night already over 200

if game is Fri or Sat costs a bit better for now but would soon change once known

Èdinburgh is quite accessible via train from other airports in Scotland or north England. Well worth considering. Newcastle (90mins) and Glasgow (50mins) are both solid options.

Cookiemunster

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Riskymove wrote: »

flights back on Sunday night already over 200

if game is Fri or Sat costs a bit better for now but would soon change once known

Plenty of ways to get there other than flying direct to Edinburgh. Glasgow has two airports, Newcastle is close enough. You could drive and get the Larne - Stranraer ferry.

Riskymove

Buer wrote: »

inburgh is quite accessible via train from other airports in Scotland or north England. Well worth considering. Newcastle and Glasgow are both solid options.

yeah have used Glasgow

Glasgow is the same as Edinburgh already, pricey to come back Sunday night

Eod100

Riskymove wrote: »

I would have thought theses fixtures make Friday night more likely to avoid clash

having said that Hearts and Hibs were playing when I was in Edinburgh previously for rugby and it didn't really impact

Saracens match afternoon Sat and Edinburgh match 2pm ish Sun would avoid too. Yeah wasn't sure how big an impact that match has. Just noticed stadium was a mile from Murrayfield..

Buer

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Riskymove wrote: »

yeah have used Glasgow

Glasgow is the same as Edinburgh already, pricey to come back Sunday night

Old Firm on that weekend, unfortunately. Would be a lot of Celtic fans going over.

Riskymove

Cookiemunster wrote: »

. You could drive and get the Larne - Stranraer ferry.

Herself may put up with that for a final but not a QF :pac:

F.nelson

Buer wrote: »

Edinburgh play a lot of their home games on Friday nights including 2 of their 3 home pool matches. The majority of their Pro14 games at home are also on Friday night. If I had to guess, I'd say it's the most likely game for the Friday night slot.

Racing will be on Sunday, Leinster vs Ulster would be almost certain to be on Saturday so I'd say it's either the Saracens match or Edinburgh/Munster on Friday.

My guess would be:

Edinburgh vs Munster - Friday
Saracens vs Glasgow - early Saturday
Leinster vs Ulster - late afternoon Saturday
Racing vs Toulouse - Sunday

EDIT: Eod100's scenario is a definite possibility too. They've removed the Friday night game a lot in recent seasons.

I think you might be right. I think bt prefer a Friday night game as well, i'd imagine it would have good viewing figures. Leinster and Saracens will definitely get the Saturday games and the all french affair will be on the Sunday. Can see the friday night being the best of the available slots after that