Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

Dbu

Its amazing that most of the injuries are leg or lower body

Cookiemunster

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

budhabob wrote: »

Botha aswell? FFS

I reckon Botha's hand is OK if he could do this today.

Eod100

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I reckon Botha's hand is OK if he could do this today.

Is it his left hand injured? Is that red tape or something on it? Could also just be a reflection or something..

stephen_n

Cookiemunster wrote: »

I reckon Botha's hand is OK if he could do this today.

That’s some farmers tan, looks like he’s fitting in well down in Munster.

Cookiemunster

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Eod100 wrote: »

Is it his left hand injured? Is that red tape or something on it? Could also just be a reflection or something..

If he had an injured/broken hand to you really think he'd be putting that much pressure on it?

Eod100

Cookiemunster wrote: »

If he had an injured/broken hand to you really think he'd be putting that much pressure on it?

Nope, but was curious if it was taped/strapped

yerrahbah

No citing for CJ after the weekend which has brought outrage from certain parts of the internet.

What did cj do? I thought it was the archer tackle was the issue

The Lost Sheep

A new born king to see POM POM POM POM POM

Spencer Faithful Newsman wrote: »

What did cj do? I thought it was the archer tackle was the issue

Tackle that was close to being very high. Not deserving of a citing though...

yerrahbah

Spencer Faithful Newsman wrote: »

What did cj do? I thought it was the archer tackle was the issue

https://twitter.com/barker316/status/1053641668208013317

Burkie1203

yerrahbah wrote: »

https://twitter.com/barker316/status/1053641668208013317

Stander and Twelvetrees not getting cited is a bit of a joke.

Buer

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Whatever about Stander, Twelvetrees hit has to be cited if they're talking about contact with the head. Archer also fortunate for his sheer stupidity but that sort of lazy high tackle isn't where focus is at the moment. It will be within the next couple of years though, I'm sure.

Former Former

John Hayes Ligind

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Stander and Twelvetrees not getting cited is a bit of a joke.

The only disciplinary hearings are for the two red cards. No one has been cited across ten matches which is unusual, especially in the current climate.

The EPCR may want to just keep their heads down and not draw any more attention to the issue.

Anthracite

Buer wrote: »

That's very much a glass half full update. Serious ankle damage could easily be a season ending injury.

Yeah, what dummy wrote that? I would have thought it's pretty well known in sports circles that ligaments heal incredibly slowly.

Mc Love

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/munster-dismiss-reports-linking-head-coach-van-graan-to-the-bulls-37452597.html

Munster say no

Buer

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Mc Love wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/munster-dismiss-reports-linking-head-coach-van-graan-to-the-bulls-37452597.html

Munster say no

It won't happen. Munster/the IRFU will move mountains to keep him here purely due to the level of disruption it would cause and the associated PR disaster.

If he is on the shortlist though which Erasmus has had a hand in compiling, you have to laugh. Smiling assassin.

Burkie1203

Buer wrote: »

It won't happen. Munster/the IRFU will move mountains to keep him here purely due to the level of disruption it would cause and the associated PR disaster.

If he is on the shortlist though which Erasmus has had a hand in compiling, you have to laugh. Smiling assassin.

If JVG wants to go can he be stopped though?

Former Former

John Hayes Ligind

Mc Love wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/munster-dismiss-reports-linking-head-coach-van-graan-to-the-bulls-37452597.html

Munster say no

That's very reassuring

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/european-cup/rassie-erasmus-dismisses-reports-of-south-africa-job-1.3035272

bennyl10

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

Mc Love wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/munster-rugby/munster-dismiss-reports-linking-head-coach-van-graan-to-the-bulls-37452597.html

Munster say no

It's the indo
there's no actual source for this. His dad used to be CEO, well then he's guaranteed the job? it's lazy journalism and a Munster clickbait story

JVG isnt going anywhere

Buer

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Burkie1203 wrote: »

If JVG wants to go can he be stopped though?

Well, it's a 6 month notice period which means he wouldn't be able to link up with them until mid-season. Automatically, that would make him a less appealing option (although we don't know what Ackermann's contract situation is given he's coaching in this part of the world too).

I would think he's not high on their short list anyway. He has proven very little as a head coach still. I reckon it's mostly just column inches being filled.

bennyl10

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

Buer wrote: »

It won't happen. Munster/the IRFU will move mountains to keep him here purely due to the level of disruption it would cause and the associated PR disaster.

If he is on the shortlist though which Erasmus has had a hand in compiling, you have to laugh. Smiling assassin.

Rassie had a hand in compiling, in the sense that hes springboks coach and had to be informed.

That's it.

There's no actual facts/sources in this

Buer

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

bennyl10 wrote: »

Rassie had a hand in compiling, in the sense that hes springboks coach and had to be informed.

That's it.

There's no actual facts/sources in this

The article says Erasmus is on the committee for appointing the Bulls coach. That's more than just being informed and I doubt the Indo (as little respect as we give it) would state something in such black and white terms unless he is actually on the committee.

A quick check shows the inital report in South African media which also names all those on the appointing committee (and also names JVG as a shortlist option):

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/bulls-set-to-interview-matfield-report-20181022

irishbucsfan

John Hayes Ligind

Buer wrote: »

The article says Erasmus is on the committee for appointing the Bulls coach. That's more than just being informed and I doubt the Indo (as little respect as we give it) would state something in such black and white terms unless he is actually on the committee.

A quick check shows the inital report in South African media which also names all those on the appointing committee (and also names JVG as a shortlist option):

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/bulls-set-to-interview-matfield-report-20181022

There’s no ****e talk as ****e as accusations of ****e talk that are ****e talk

bennyl10

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

Buer wrote: »

The article says Erasmus is on the committee for appointing the Bulls coach. That's more than just being informed and I doubt the Indo (as little respect as we give it) would state something in such black and white terms unless he is actually on the committee.

A quick check shows the inital report in South African media which also names all those on the appointing committee (and also names JVG as a shortlist option):

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/bulls-set-to-interview-matfield-report-20181022

Does Rassie not have to be though? as he's springbok coach?
Like I would expect him to be involved in every process Headcoach wise over there?

To make out that his involvement meant JVG is more likely to go is BS(which si what the indo tried to do)

Former Former

John Hayes Ligind

bennyl10 wrote: »

Rassie had a hand in compiling, in the sense that hes springboks coach and had to be informed.

That's it.

There's no actual facts/sources in this

Every fact in there is true.

Akrasia

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

If JVG goes, it only clears space for ROG to make his triumphant return

Buer

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

bennyl10 wrote: »

To make out that his involvement meant JVG is more likely to go is BS(which si what the indo tried to do)

I think you're reading too much into it. I'm not sure the Indo is trying to suggest that and neither was I. Of course they're going to report that he's involved given he was the last Munster coach who departed in very similar circumstances.

I don't think a departure is more likely because of Erasmus' presence; I would be shocked if JVG departed or was even interviewed. If the Bulls asked for permission, I'd expect Munster to pick up the phone and tell Erasmus where to go.

Eod100

Would be fairly embarrassing for Munster and IRFU if that came to pass.. To lose 1 head coach was bad enough, another would not be ideal. I think Munster are in a good place and JvG happy in his role so I'd be shocked if he moved.

bennyl10

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

Buer wrote: »

I think you're reading too much into it. I'm not sure the Indo is trying to suggest that and neither was I. Of course they're going to report that he's involved given he was the last Munster coach who departed in very similar circumstances.

I don't think a departure is more likely because of Erasmus' presence; I would be shocked if JVG departed or was even interviewed. If the Bulls asked for permission, I'd expect Munster to pick up the phone and tell Erasmus where to go.

Very well could be to be fair

I can't see Munster even allowing contact really!

Former Former

John Hayes Ligind

Buer wrote: »

I think you're reading too much into it. I'm not sure the Indo is trying to suggest that and neither was I. Of course they're going to report that he's involved given he was the last Munster coach who departed in very similar circumstances.

I don't think a departure is more likely because of Erasmus' presence; I would be shocked if JVG departed or was even interviewed. If the Bulls asked for permission, I'd expect Munster to pick up the phone and tell Erasmus where to go.

Wouldn't asking permission just be a courtesy though? They surely don't need permission.

Like, Rassie himself, Lam and Gibbes have all managed to depart these shores while under contract, and Dan McFarland managed to arrive despite the SRU's wishes.

I have no idea how likely it is to happen (very unlikely I'd guess) but if JVG is interested, it will go ahead.