Waterford GAA Discussion Thread - **MOD NOTE POST #1**

robopaddy2

PTH2009 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0507/873221-the-pretenders-gunning-for-tipperarys-crown/

Mullane not giving us much hope if he's messing like that

Cringeworthy stuff from Mullane, haven't come to expect anything else from him at this stage. How he gets air-time as a pundit i'll never know. Apart from the fact that his incessant brain-farting keeps the public in stitches.

blue note

I hear he's dying for an excuse to ride nude down the quay. Rumour has it he's hung like a horse. He thinks we've a great chance and had a bsc wax booked in case we do it.

PTH2009

If the new championship structure comes in next year it will mean that Walsh Park could host Munster senior championship games

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0507/873226-plans-for-new-round-robin-structure-for-hurling/

robopaddy2

PTH2009 wrote: »

If the new championship structure comes in next year it will mean that Walsh Park could host Munster senior championship games

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0507/873226-plans-for-new-round-robin-structure-for-hurling/

A change like this was always on the cards eventually. we shouldn't be surprised. I think what we'll see is the provincial championships eventually being phased out.
Is Walsh Park good enough to host 2 Munster Championship games every year? Absolutely not.  Only thing is with 4 games the attendances won't be what they would be for the knockout form. On the plus side every team will dread coming to Walsh Park!

Cake Man

How would the format work?

robopaddy2

Cake Man wrote: »

How would the format work?

Each provincial championship played on a round robin basis. 5 teams in Munster + 5 teams in Leinster
Each team plays each other thus 4 games each with every team having 2 x home games and 2 x away games.
Top 2 in each through to provincial final.
Provincial winners through to AI semi final
runners up go to quarter final joined by 2x 3rd place teams.
That's as I understand it. Not sure what happens with promotion/relegation or where it leaves the likes of Laois/Offaly/Kerry do they have to qualify for the Leinster Championship proper or will they be demoted to Christy Ring.

Cake Man

Doesn't seem like a bad idea but it would just seem to be basically a more serious version/format of the league (but confined to only playing teams from your own province). A few more games isn't bad and the county board would be guaranteed a few quid with 2x home games. Might also be fairer as every team has the same number of games. To be fair to Tipp and Cork, the last 5-10 years they always seem to get the short straw every year with having to play a Munster quarter final whereas we always seem to avoid it and go straight into a semi final.


Only downsides I see would be the clubs suffering with a few less available weekend to play off matches. At least though there could be draws in the round robin without the need for replays. Replays only to come into effect at the provincial final or AI quarter final stage. Also wondering if it could be the case that you go into the last round of games with nothing to play for knowing your summer is over, although if the league is anything to go by that probably wouldn't be the case.

robopaddy2

Cake Man wrote: »

Doesn't seem like a bad idea but it would just seem to be basically a more serious version/format of the league (but confined to only playing teams from your own province). A few more games isn't bad and the county board would be guaranteed a few quid with 2x home games. Might also be fairer as every team has the same number of games. To be fair to Tipp and Cork, the last 5-10 years they always seem to get the short straw every year with having to play a Munster quarter final whereas we always seem to avoid it and go straight into a semi final.


Only downsides I see would be the clubs suffering with a few less available weekend to play off matches. At least though there could be draws in the round robin without the need for replays. Replays only to come into effect at the provincial final or AI quarter final stage. Also wondering if it could be the case that you go into the last round of games with nothing to play for knowing your summer is over, although if the league is anything to go by that probably wouldn't be the case.

I agree about the clubs. It certainly doesn't help their cause. But the proposal for the AI finals to be moved forward to August next year aswell means we are looking at a whole new look championship. Only thing to do it set aside a 2 month window from June - mid August to run off the intercounty championships, and clubs are informed that this will be a closed period for club matches unless the county team are knocked out of championship. At least that way club players will know that this period is free to arrange holidays, weddings, travel abroad etc and can get on with their lives.
I get what you say about the possibility of dead-rubber games, but don't underestimate playing for pride between a lot of rival counties and there could also be relegation play-offs to be avoided at the other end. There would be v little one-sided games. The system as it is now is a lot more farcical, and the Munster championship is passed its sell-by date aswell. 5 week gaps between championship games, between May and possibly September, all for the purposes of trying to keep in line with tradition? We are moving more and more towards an open-draw/champions league type format which is the only logical way forward in a competition where there will ever be only 9/10 teams who can realistically win it.

PTH2009

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Each provincial championship played on a round robin basis. 5 teams in Munster + 5 teams in Leinster
Each team plays each other thus 4 games each with every team having 2 x home games and 2 x away games.
Top 2 in each through to provincial final.
Provincial winners through to AI semi final
runners up go to quarter final joined by 2x 3rd place teams.
That's as I understand it. Not sure what happens with promotion/relegation or where it leaves the likes of Laois/Offaly/Kerry do they have to qualify for the Leinster Championship proper or will they be demoted to Christy Ring.

Munster will be ultra competitive and it could be hard to get a top 3 finish every year. The only thing about this system is we may rarely play Leinster teams and get trips to the midlands, wexford etc in the height of the summer. Still though were guaranteed at least 4 days out and 2 of them will be in our own back yard and 2 on the road

Walsh Park will be packed to the rafters no matter what opposition, businesses around the area will be thrilled but would it pass a h&s inspection for a championship game. Could be ourselves and Clare may have to play our home games elsewhere as the stadiums may not have the capacity etc

JesusRef

Giveitfong wrote: »

Giveitfong wrote: »

These were all part of the 2014 minor team which should at least have got to the All-Ireland semi-final.

That should of course have read All-Ireland final.

I should have included Dublin among the teams which were competitive at minor level in 2014 and 2015.

We have a very talented U21 crop again this year.
My memory of the 2014 AI Semi Final would be slightly different, but for a string of Kilkenny wides it would have been a very difficult day for us.
Liam Blanchfield did as he wanted at FF and looked a class above everyone else on the field, as did John Walsh when he came on who totally ran riot. sure we had a chance at the death to win it in normal time when Colm Roche failed to pass to the better placed Andy Molumby, but it would have been daylight robbery. 
To say we should have at least got to the All Ireland final is a bit of a stretch - Kilkenny were clearly the better team on the day.
Having said that, Patrick Curran was clearly too injured to play with a back injury that hampered him at that year, the team was lined out incorrectly and both Shane Ryan and Cormac Curran had terrible days (the later getting continually caught in possession, hooked/blocked).
We certainly have a much stronger team and panel this year at U21 than the 2014 minor team/panel - it is great that so many of those players have made such great progress

robopaddy2

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/derek-mcgrath-i-was-too-candid-over-pay-issue-449687.html
Another candid interview with Derek.

PTH2009

http://www.hoganstand.com/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=270062

no rift it was toms decision but it sounds like he might not come back into the squad as his medical career might take preference.

heard its positive news on the injury front, Connor Gleeson is not as bad as feared, Barry Coughlan is improving

enoughtaken

Minor team for tonight

Waterford

1. Eoghan Browne (Mount Sion)
18. Dan Booth (Colligan)
3. James Flavin (Ardmore)
4. Tadhg Foley (Ballygunner)
5. Mairtín Power (Clonea)
6. Tom Barron (Fourmilewater)
7. Luke O’Brien (Mount Sion)
8. Sean Whelan-Barrett (Abbeyside)
9. Edward Cullen (Mount Sion)
10. Conor Whelan (Brickey Rangers)
11. Iarlaith Daly (Lismore)
12. Ian Beecher (Tallow)
13. Tom Looby (Abbeyside)
14. Thomas Douglas (De La Salle)
15. Billy Power (Clonea)

PTH2009

enoughtaken wrote: »

Minor team for tonight

Waterford

1. Eoghan Browne (Mount Sion)
18. Dan Booth (Colligan)
3. James Flavin (Ardmore)
4. Tadhg Foley (Ballygunner)
5. Mairtín Power (Clonea)
6. Tom Barron (Fourmilewater)
7. Luke O’Brien (Mount Sion)
8. Sean Whelan-Barrett (Abbeyside)
9. Edward Cullen (Mount Sion)
10. Conor Whelan (Brickey Rangers)
11. Iarlaith Daly (Lismore)
12. Ian Beecher (Tallow)
13. Tom Looby (Abbeyside)
14. Thomas Douglas (De La Salle)
15. Billy Power (Clonea)

Best of luck to them but Limerick is a hard place to go and we have really struggled in our last 2 games

Deise Vu

PTH2009 wrote: »

If the new championship structure comes in next year it will mean that Walsh Park could host Munster senior championship games

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2017/0507/873226-plans-for-new-round-robin-structure-for-hurling/

Strange this proposal comes along at the same time as a new PuC.. :cool:

Next watch out for the very sensible proposal that the home team keeps the gate.;)

danganabu

Deise Vu wrote: »

Strange this proposal comes along at the same time as a new PuC.. :cool:

Next watch out for the very sensible proposal that the home team keeps the gate.;)

The proposal was first mooted in 2012 and is a direct result/reaction to the Super 8 being introduced in Football, but don't let that get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!!

Pairc Ui Rinn would also be more than adequate to host the games being proposed here.

Deise Vu

danganabu wrote: »

The proposal was first mooted in 2012 and is a direct result/reaction to the Super 8 being introduced in Football, but don't let that get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!!

Pairc Ui Rinn would also be more than adequate to host the games being proposed here.

Lighten up will ya! Everyone knows the Don is retiring in October (again!).:D

PTH2009

Bad night for the minors beaten 0-19- 1-7 by Limerick

robopaddy2

PTH2009 wrote: »

Bad night for the minors beaten 0-19- 1-7 by Limerick

Bad year all round. The three results speak for themselves. Feel bad for the players and management who have given a fair effort, but it has to be said this has been the poorest minor group we've had in a long long time. I never remember us being so far off the pace in Munster. You would expect maybe Kerry these kind of results but not from one of the traditional counties
Wouldn't be overly concerned given how competitive weve been in this grade over the past 10 years, the conveyor belt should be good for another while. But its definetly an eye-opener, another year or 2 like that we wouldnt be long slipping back at senior level.

Cake Man

Not ideal alright, three games lost fairly convincingly. Definitely the poorest year we've at this grade in many years, even more disappointing knowing we had 3 chances and couldn't take any of them. Infact not even close in any game. Yes, it didn't help having no home game which might have made the lads a bit more comfortable playing in front of a home crowd (probably unlikely in any case, seemed like we were well off the pace in each of the games).
Not going to be hugely concerned, the hope is it was just a generally average crop and still manage to identify a few lads capable of progressing (Tom Barron, Iarlaith Daly, Thomas Douglas, Gavin Dalton).

PTH2009

If Cork beat Tipp (which could easily happen) would the semi be a bit of a false dawn for us as were all secretly gearing up for a showdown with Tipp ???

If Cork can beat Tipp in Thurles than they will be no pushovers and will give it 100% to try and get to the first Munster final in there brand new stadium

hopefully we give a good performance on Sunday against Limerick in the challenge game

hurler on de ditch

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Cringeworthy stuff from Mullane, haven't come to expect anything else from him at this stage. How he gets air-time as a pundit i'll never know. Apart from the fact that his incessant brain-farting keeps the public in stitches.

i think if Waterford win the All Ireland ,ill volunteer to be the horse ,not a hope in hell,

mickmackmcgoo

Good to see Daragh Fives starting this Sunday versus limerick

PTH2009

Iggy is very much in with a chance at starting in goals for the championship

mickmackmcgoo

Team versus Limerick on Sunday

I o Regan
Connors. S Fives. S mcNulty
Philip Mahony. Austin Gleeson. Darragh Fives

J Barron. Stephen Roche

K Moran. M Shanahan. B o Halloran
Stephen Bennett. Mikey Kearney . T Ryan

robopaddy2

PTH2009 wrote: »

If Cork beat Tipp (which could easily happen) would the semi be a bit of a false dawn for us as were all secretly gearing up for a showdown with Tipp ???

If Cork can beat Tipp in Thurles than they will be no pushovers and will give it 100% to try and get to the first Munster final in there brand new stadium

hopefully we give a good performance on Sunday against Limerick in the challenge game

After seeing what happened Tipp in the league final, they're not all their cracked up to be. I wouldn't write Cork off at all.

HatchetMan7

In regards to the minor teams results this year, i would agree to some extent about not being overly concerned about it as a supporter but i think that this is the time for the county board to act and look into what the reasons behind the sudden drop off. Since winning it in 2009 and runners up in 2010, 2011, 2013 and 2014 we've been very competitive so to get well beaten this year in all 3 games i think the county board should be concerned and act now rather than later. The fact is if the coaching of under age teams is not improving year on year then we are going backwards in relation to other top teams.

JesusRef

robopaddy2 wrote: »

After seeing what happened Tipp in the league final, they're not all their cracked up to be. I wouldn't write Cork off at all.

Me either - and getting to play a final in the new Pairc is huge for Cork

PTH2009

congrats to the senior Ladies footballers who beat Kerry 2-9- 1-9 in the Munster Championship today

mickmackmcgoo

Hurlers beaten by 2 points by limerick having been 7 points ahead with about 12 minutes to play. Only scored one point in the last 15 minutes. We have a great habit of throwing leads away, challenge game or not it's all about a winning mentality