Waterford GAA Discussion Thread - **MOD NOTE POST #1**

whiteandblue

Deise Gael wrote: »

I often wonder what the problem is with Fourmilewater. Every year they flatter to deceive.

Even without Conor Gleeson they would have been favourites to beat Lismore.

Also, Lismore were without Ray Barry, outside of Maurice and a rejuvenated Dan, probably their most influential player.

Having been at the game, Fourmilewater didn't seem to have enough self belief and Lismore were fully deserving of their win.

They have a small panel in the hurling out there so losing any player, never mind 3 or 4 and they're in big trouble. Hard to balance hurling and football as well.

chookieourlaw

robopaddy2 wrote: »

Shefflin must be reading too much boards.ie, maybe he means a divided county, whatever about a divided squad. He was being a bit of a ****-stirrer, from what Ive seen of him as a pundit I wouldn't take much of what he says at face value. Great players don't always make great pundits and It wouldn't be the first hes tried to make a snide remark about another county, and all he is interested in are his own pro-Kilkenny views. Og Cusack had to put him in his box one night a couple years ago he was trying to make smart comments about Cork hurling, rightly so just because he won everything in the game doesn't mean we should all sit there and be patronised

Shefflin is an excellent and generally balanced pundit in fairness.

crottys lake

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Shefflin is an excellent and generally balanced pundit in fairness.

The one thing he is not is balanced when it comes to Waterford. Unless of course he has a chip on both shoulders which in fact would make your opinion correct because in that case he is balanced.

So, on reflection I am wrong and you are right, he is very well balanced indeed. !!!!!!!!!!!

blueflame

chookieourlaw wrote: »

By the way Blue Flame I'm well aware of the incidents you refer to and have posted on the latter. Whatever about the North Pole some of the MCGrath loyalists on here could do with getting their heads out of their a**** to realise what is going on at the moment.

I presume chookieourlaw your were referring to "The Blue Blaa" as opposed to Blueflame as i have no idea what incidents you are talking about

PTH2009

Any news of any challenge games for the senior hurlers ???

Afaik McGrath amd co have total control of the players now with the club championship games finished til were out of the championship

robopaddy2

PTH2009 wrote: »

Our under 17 hurlers are playing Cork in the Munster final 2morrow night in Dungarvan at 7pm

Cork have a very good team apparently

Anyone kmw anything about our lads??

Cork are at a huge advantage in that their minors have not played yet so they get to call on any u17s from the minor panel that would be good enough to start on the minor team. And by all accounts they supposedly have some serious talent within that age group, one of their strongest groups in many years. Could be a tough outing for our lads.

robopaddy2

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Shefflin is an excellent and generally balanced pundit in fairness.

his exact words; 'is their harmony in the camp? we don't know...' 
All hail King Henry the genius. The McGrath apologists dumbfounded

thesultan

Is there a plan for the next round of club games? I heard provisionally June but no date or venues. Surely there could be a plan a or b on this so people can plan things around them?

PTH2009

thesultan wrote: »

Is there a plan for the next round of club games? I heard provisionally June but no date or venues. Surely there could be a plan a or b on this so people can plan things around them?

It were in the qualifiers round 1 takes place on sat 1st July and if were in round 2 its on sat 8th July. Munster final takes place on Sunday 9th July

Round 1 of football qualifiers take place on sat 17th June or Sat 24th June. We play Cork in the Munster qf on sat 27th May

PTH2009

So the debate has started about moving out of Walsh Park according to the front of this week's news and star

Agree that wit arena would be good (obv needs a bit of work) but we don't need a huge stadium as Munster has so many

No more shopping centres please

conditioned games

PTH2009 wrote: »

So the debate has started about moving out of Walsh Park according to the front of this week's news and star

Agree that wit arena would be good (obv needs a bit of work) but we don't need a huge stadium as Munster has so many

No more shopping centres please

Where in Carriganore would they build it. I assume they wouldn't build it on the GAA grass pitches, that then leaves the area between the WIT campus and the motorway along the river. As that area has a hill on it and not that big, would they be able to fit a 20k stadium in there?

PTH2009

conditioned games wrote: »

Where in Carriganore would they build it. I assume they wouldn't build it on the GAA grass pitches, that then leaves the area between the WIT campus and the motorway along the river. As that area has a hill on it and not that big, would they be able to fit a 20k stadium in there?

they could knock that stand and build 2 big stands on each sideline

a lot of logistic problems will exist

why oh why didnt they agree to move there when they started building the campus and they could of build around it. good owl county board

conditioned games

PTH2009 wrote: »

they could knock that stand and build 2 big stands on each sideline

a lot of logistic problems will exist

why oh why didnt they agree to move there when they started building the campus and they could of build around it. good owl county board

Pity to ruin 2 good gaa pitch's at either side. WIT sports campus is a fantastic facility at present, I'd rather they leave Carriganore alone if they were to try build a stadium in the middle of it.

thesultan

It was that only someone suggested it. A fella was on wlr this morning about it but I thought he hadn't a great insight into it

thesultan

PTH2009 wrote: »

It were in the qualifiers round 1 takes place on sat 1st July and if were in round 2 its on sat 8th July. Munster final takes place on Sunday 9th July

Round 1 of football qualifiers take place on sat 17th June or Sat 24th June. We play Cork in the Munster qf on sat 27th May

Surely the county secretary envisaged this and planned around it? Could they not give a fixture or at least one date to clubs?

DiscoStew

PTH2009 wrote: »

Any news of any challenge games for the senior hurlers ???

Afaik McGrath amd co have total control of the players now with the club championship games finished til were out of the championship

And what of the 2 rounds of the football club championship that take place the 2 weekends after this? I can't imagine teams are playing without County players in those championship games.
Clubs have a provisional fixture for the weekend after waterford play cork or Tipp, 2 months away. If they were to lose and be in action on Sat July 8 or win and be in action on Sun July 9, I couldn't envisage anything other than those club games being called off. Not doing so would leave Waterford with 2 weeks to prepare for their next game which will not be allowed by management imo. So asking clubs to prepare for that round of fixtures is an utterly pointless exercise! Of course their is the off chance of a draw, in which case the replay would be played the weekend after and club games called off.
Absolutely pointless fixture the board made. May aswell have just told clubs to be on standby for when waterfords season ends which is the reality.

The blue blaa

blueflame wrote: »

I presume chookieourlaw your were referring to "The Blue Blaa" as opposed to Blueflame as i have no idea what incidents you are talking about

Alright Cuz...

PTH2009

Cork 1-8- Waterford 1-9- HT Munster Under 17 Final

The blue blaa

PTH2009 wrote: »

Cork 1-8- Waterford 1-9- HT Munster Under 17 Final

Kyle Bennet going well. Great to see them younglads not giving up and fighting back.

PTH2009

damn it

its now Cork 2-12- Waterford 1-10- 51 mins

Giveitfong

One has to be wary of deriving long-term lessons from Galway’s destruction of Tipperary in last Sunday’s National Hurling League final. Michael Ryan thought that his team were very flat on the day, and even suggested that they were tired after a long and tough campaign. However, they certainly showed no signs of tiredness the previous week when they weathered a strong Wexford challenge and then proceeded to take them apart in the closing stages.

While they were romping to an easy quarter final win over Offaly, Galway were bursting a gut to retrieve a seemingly lost cause against Waterford. Galway also had to work hard to overcome Limerick in their semi-final, and yet were able to come out with all guns blazing and maintain the effort right to the end in the final.

I thought that both sides went at it hammer and thongs in the early stages last Sunday as each side sought to establish superiority, but once Galway got the upper hand they gained control all over the field and maintained it to the end, apart from a brief period in the middle of the second half when the Tipp half backs got some bit of traction. At that stage there were eight points in it, and a Tipperary goal could have thrown the game into the melting pot. However, their forwards were unable to make any impression, and Galway quickly got back on top again.

In hurling games, if one team gains control in the half backs and midfield, they have a platform to put good ball into their forwards, while the other team lacks that platform, so one team can get completely on top. This is particularly the case if the team which is on top has the forwards to take advantage of the good supply of incoming ball, and the full backs to prevent the other team from doing damage with a limited incoming supply. That was very much the case with Galway last Sunday.

It is worth noting that this is the second time in three years that Galway have dominated a major game against Tipperary. The first time was the 2015 All-Ireland semi-final, where again Galway were on top in almost all sectors. That they only managed to scrape the win with a late point was due almost entirely to a super show by Tipp full forward Seamus Callanan, who hit 3-4 from play on the day. Galway, of course, greatly facilitated this by putting in a complete novice to mark Callanan and then leaving him there for most of the match. If Callanan had been restricted to a reasonable score, Galway would have won that game by eight points or so.

In last year’s semi-final, Dáithí Burke got the number 3 shirt and proceeded to blot Callanan completely out of the game. Galway were very unlucky that day to lose both newcomer Adrian Tuohy (very impressive last Sunday) and Joe Canning in the first half. Even then they had sufficient possession to have won the game. However, they panicked when Tipp goaled twice in quick succession late in the second half and went looking for goals themselves. They monopolised possession in the last nine minutes but passed up several easy point-scoring opportunities in the process and ended up losing by a single point.

So overall I would argue that Galway were the better team in all of their three big games against Tipperary in the last three years. Last Sunday they were a bit frenzied in their approach in the first half, and when you win the ball in a frenzy you are inclined to be frenzied in your use of it. As a result, their decision making was frequently very poor. Donal O’Grady, the TG4 assistant commentator, asked several times why would you keep hitting balls wide from out the field when it was clear the Galway inside forwards had the upper hand on their markers.

Galway were much more measured in the second half, working the ball out of defence and moving it around patiently in the midfield area until an unmarked player was able to look up and put good low ball into the full forwards, by-passing Padraic and Ronan Maher in the process. I was thinking that if this was Waterford and the Bennetts and Patrick Curran were in there and getting this kind of ball they could also do major damage, but what are the chances of this happening?

Watching Galway over the last three weeks brings home to me how much better coached they are than Waterford. There was no sweeper and three full forwards, with a committed and very skillful team working to a well-executed game plan which produced the results. When Conor Cooney and a match-fit Jonathan Glynn come back in, they will be a very imposing unit indeed – provided, of course, they can transcend the flakiness which has been a badge of Galway teams down through the years.

This game raises numerous doubts about Tipperary. Their key tactic of lashing high ball into the opposing goal area yielded no dividends on this occasion, and there is no certainty that things would have been any different if Callanan had been playing, given the way he had been shackled last year by Dáithí Burke, who was immense again last Sunday. There was further evidence that Bubbles O’Dwyer tends to be a no-show when the going is tight and the opposition is tackling hard. And bringing in strong, hardworking but less skillful players such as Seamus Kennedy, Dan McCormack and Steven O’Brien might not work when they are faced with equally strong and hardworking, but more skillful opponents.

The idea that Tipperary have a strong panel is also open to doubt. Jason Forde had no impact at midfield, Niall O’Meara made little difference when introduced, Tomás Hamill for me is at best a handy hurler, and Paul Flynn and Daire Quinn are hardly likely to strike fear among experienced opponents.

One way or the other, the image portrayed by the media of Tipperary being way ahead of the posse was severely dented last Sunday, and that should make for a more interesting forthcoming championship.

PTH2009

Wasant meant too be for the young lads but they gave it a good shot

Full time Cork 3-13- Wat 1-12

robopaddy2

PTH2009 wrote: »

Wasant meant too be for the young lads but they gave it a good shot

Full time Cork 3-13- Wat 1-12

Respectable result and performance by the sounds of it. That is an exceptional Cork group.

blueflame

Thought our lads put in a strong showing last night against a Cork side who are fancied to go the whole way and who had already put Tipp to the sword. I think when the team and management reflect on the game they will see it as "one that got away" We were very slow out of the blocks and were standing off Cork,. possibly showing them too much respect, and the first goal was a culmination to two very poor mistakes out the field and should not have been conceded
.

Despite falling behind by 5 points so early on we stepped up our game and were very unlucky not to have at least one goal if not two goals ourselves before half-time. We also shot a couple of very poor wides that could easily have resulted in a more substantial lead at half-time. Some will argue our goal from Iarlath Day's free was lucky i personally disagree. I think he went for it wholeheartedly using the conditions of wind and low sun as they were and it was a superbly struck free that dipped just at the right time. I think it had much more to do with the strike than a mistake by the Cork Keeper. Full credit to the lad, to have thought about it, to have being willing to take it on and to have executed it so well.

Second half was always going to be an uphill battle but essentially goals cost us this game, in that we conceded two goals and penalty that yielded 7 points through very poor mistakes, while at the other end of the field we had two real goal chances but a combination of not releasing the ball soon enough, choosing the wrong option and some very good last ditch defending by Cork, the result could have been reversed.

All that being said these are very young lads, and at this narrow age band level to be able to even compete with a county as big as Cork is a really credible performance so to those who say we have nothing coming through over the next number of years think again. Full credit to the team and management on a superb effort.

robopaddy2

blueflame wrote: »

Thought our lads put in a strong showing last night against a Cork side who are fancied to go the whole way and who had already put Tipp to the sword.  I think when the team and management  reflect on the game they will see it as "one that got away"  We were very slow out of the blocks and were standing off Cork,. possibly showing them too much respect, and the first goal was a culmination to two very poor mistakes out the field and should not have been conceded
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Despite falling behind by 5 points so early on we stepped up our game and were very unlucky not to have at least one goal if not two goals ourselves before half-time.  We also shot a couple of very poor wides that could easily have resulted in a more substantial lead at half-time.    Some will argue our goal from Iarlath Day's free was lucky i personally disagree.  I think he went for it wholeheartedly using the conditions of wind and low sun as they were and it was a superbly struck free that dipped just at the right time.  I think it had much more to do with the strike than a mistake by the Cork Keeper. Full credit to the lad, to have thought about it, to have being willing to take it on and to have executed it so well.

Second half was always going to be an uphill battle  but essentially goals cost us this game, in that we conceded two goals and penalty that yielded 7 points through very poor mistakes, while at the other end of the field we had two real goal chances but a combination of not releasing the ball soon enough, choosing the wrong option and some very good last ditch defending by Cork, the result could have been reversed.

All that being said these are very young lads, and at this narrow age band level to be able to even compete with a county as big as Cork is a really credible performance so to those who say we have nothing coming through over the next number of years think again.   Full credit to the team and management on a superb effort.

Good report.
A real pity they have done away with the minor grade from next year, would be interesting to see how this group would have progressed. But its good that they at least got the chance to represent their county. Even a couple of good lads every year to feed through to the senior panel would be enough to keep us competitive for a good few years.

thesultan

Was in YouTube last night watching De LA Salle v ballygunner from 2010. De LA Salle coasted it. Over the next few years ballygunner dominated at 21's and got their youngsters bulked up. De LA Salle won the last two 21's and seem the team primed to challenge Ballygunner.

DLS2THECORE

2 challenge matches fixed for the coming weeks - Waterford V Wexford in Cappoquin on the weekend of 13th/14th May and Waterford V Offaly in Ballysaggart on the weekend of 20th/21st May.
Cappoquin are opening new dressing rooms and Ballysaggart are opening their new field.

chookieourlaw

The blue blaa wrote: »

Alright Cuz...

You're a sad man

robopaddy2

When are the county minors out against Cork?

Cake Man

robopaddy2 wrote: »

When are the county minors out against Cork?

How dare you ask a Waterford GAA related question here, don't you know this thread is for all things DMcG bashing?

They're out Weds evening in Pairc Ui Rinn. Win and they're into a semi final, lose and into a playoff v Limerick.