Waterford GAA Discussion Thread - **MOD NOTE POST #1**

crottys lake

What has happened to Tiernan O'Connell and Harry Ruddle and a few of the the other lads off the minor squad that were not named ? They looked obvious contenders for starting places not to mind the squad and were involved when I last saw them up to this year. They certainly had the ability to start on the team. That is not to take anything away from the boys that started either. If we have a full deck then surely we should be playing with it. I saw that original squad put it up to the best of teams through up to under 17 so what has gone wrong ?

Tom Barron was played completely out of position too. He must be centre or full back, not wing forward where he started and then moved to mid field. It was tough to be there watching the lads suffer the other night.

Stopitwillya

Tom Devine going travelling for the summer. Big loss as he has being in great form recently.

The blue blaa

crottys lake wrote: »

What has happened to Tiernan O'Connell and Harry Ruddle and a few of the the other lads off the minor squad that were not named ? They looked obvious contenders for starting places not to mind the squad and were involved when I last saw them up to this year. They certainly had the ability to start on the team. That is not to take anything away from the boys that started either. If we have a full deck then surely we should be playing with it. I saw that original squad put it up to the best of teams through up to under 17 so what has gone wrong ?

Tom Barron was played completely out of position too. He must be centre or full back, not wing forward where he started and then moved to mid field. It was tough to be there watching the lads suffer the other night.

Tiernan O Connell didn't make the cut and Harry Ruddle is completely out of favour there.
That age group have had 3 different manager's since U14.
Although they did have more or less every single player playing out of position, the bottom line is the players are just simply not there.
However I do firmly believe they are not as bad as the final score against Clare.
This Cork team would be favourites to win the minor out, if i am correct in saying they won everything underage with this group and home advantage in Pairc ui Rinn will stand to them.

The development squads need to pull the finger out and go after decent underage coaches not friends and ex clubmates.
There are some very good exciting young coaches around the county but the powers that be who get paid to make these decisions are clueless. They send a mail out and ask for the club secretary to ask their coaches to get involved.

PaddyJoeOil

We would like to wish Tom Devine the best of luck in Boston in the Summer, He took this choice to learn more about hurling and we expect more players to do the same. We feel the coaches in Boston have more of an idea about the game than Derek McGrath and hopefully Tom will come back a better player for the New 2018 Management team and hopefully we will have a realistic chance in challenging for Liam.

PTH2009

Shame about Tom Devine but wish he would of decided at the start of the year so we could find a replacement for him. Anyway hope he comes back a better player for 2018

The pressure on McGrath and the players on June 18th is going too be immense and a defeat as expected will be damaging as the qualifiers are a dangerous place to be in with a few very good teams in Leinster and then we have the competitive Munster teams in the mix til. You can one chance and lose that and the summers over. Do we a secret weapon for June 18th that is being kept behind closed doors ??

McGraths attitude towards dis years league was bad and we should have a semi final too look forward you next weekend but sadly don't . The summer will tell a lot

brookville

PTH2009 wrote: »

Shame about Tom Devine but wish he would of decided at the start of the year so we could find a replacement for him. Anyway hope he comes back a better player for 2018

The pressure on McGrath and the players on June 18th is going too be immense and a defeat as expected will be damaging as the qualifiers are a dangerous place to be in with a few very good teams in Leinster and then we have the competitive Munster teams in the mix til. You can one chance and lose that and the summers over. Do we a secret weapon for June 18th that is being kept behind closed doors ??

McGraths attitude towards dis years league was bad and we should have a semi final too look forward you next weekend but sadly don't . The summer will tell a lot

It must of being rumoured Tom was going travelling as I heard from a waterford lad a few months ago at work he was travelling this year.I was suprised to c him play league if this was in his mind

JeffKenna

I know fellas have their own life and career but in a year we have serious aspirations of winning an all Ireland it's a disappointing decision.

brookville

JeffKenna wrote: »

I know fellas have their own life and career but in a year we have serious aspirations of winning an all Ireland it's a disappointing decision.

It's hard to blame young lads either,we're lucky as supporters in kk it never happens but the game is so demanding it's becoming more and more popular.I even see club lads now planning holidays around matches,going weddings and not drinking and watching their diet every day of the year
Think of the few dublin footballers who went travelling and they nearly guaranteed a final appearance

PTH2009

There are 9 weekends left til the 18th June

So rounds 1 and 2 of the senior hurling championship are taking place on the Easter weekend and 21/22/23 April and round 1 of the football championship takes place 5/6/7 May. The senior footballers play Cork in the Munster QF on the 28th May. So effectively we have 5/6 weeks to plan for the Munster Semi final, we prob we play a few challenge games

chookieourlaw

JeffKenna wrote: »

I know fellas have their own life and career but in a year we have serious aspirations of winning an all Ireland it's a disappointing decision.

Maybe Tom Devine doesn't think our aspirations have much chance of being seriously realised. Either way, can't blame the guy. Maybe he doesn't think it's fair to send a bunch of newbies and novices into a game and have no strategy or even desire to win that game, which ultimately reflects badly on them, like what happened in Galway last week.

PTH2009

Tom Devine Statement

On Monday last I informed Derek and Dan of my decision to travel for the summer coming 2017.

With college and career demands looming large in the next year or two, this is essentially my last chance to travel for a summer. It’s something I’ve always wanted to do but have been putting off for a few years now, and this year I simply can’t pass the opportunity to travel.

The decision was not an easy one to make on my behalf.

It has been an amazing experience for me to have been involved with such a professional, yet close-knit and supportive set up over the last 4 years.

I’d like to personally thank the players, backroom team and especially Derek and Dan for everything they’ve done. The work put in by everyone involved is staggering and not always appreciated by those outside of the panel and backroom team.

Derek and Dan have always had a holistic attitude towards both life and sport and have always wanted the best for us players in all aspects of life. I’m glad to be leaving with their blessing, and it’s been both a pleasure and an honour to have been involved with men of their calibre.
Tom Devine

Quite understandable but The wait for Liam McCarthy looks like it will spread too 2018. Big big loss hopefully no more injuries or drop outs . The form of the Austin Gleeson and Jamie Barron so far this year is very worrying also

Deisegodeo

Very disappointing to hear Devine is going travelling and wont be available for the summer. Understandable that a lad of his age would want to see a bit of the world but its a blow for our ambitions this summer, he was one of the positives to come out of a mediocre enough league campaign. He looked a real handful at full forward against Clare and Galway. Certainly a good option that we wont be able to use in the championship

tomwaterford

PTH2009 wrote: »

Tom Devine Statement

On Monday last I informed Derek and Dan of my decision to travel for the summer coming 2017.

With college and career demands looming large in the next year or two, this is essentially my last chance to travel for a summer. It’s something I’ve always wanted to do but have been putting off for a few years now, and this year I simply can’t pass the opportunity to travel.

The decision was not an easy one to make on my behalf.

It has been an amazing experience for me to have been involved with such a professional, yet close-knit and supportive set up over the last 4 years.

I’d like to personally thank the players, backroom team and especially Derek and Dan for everything they’ve done. The work put in by everyone involved is staggering and not always appreciated by those outside of the panel and backroom team.

Derek and Dan have always had a holistic attitude towards both life and sport and have always wanted the best for us players in all aspects of life. I’m glad to be leaving with their blessing, and it’s been both a pleasure and an honour to have been involved with men of their calibre.
Tom Devine

Quite understandable but The wait for Liam McCarthy looks like it will spread too 2018. Big big loss hopefully no more injuries or drop outs . The form of the Austin Gleeson and Jamie Barron so far this year is very worrying also

He's dead right...life's for living and too short to be playing a crap brand of hurling


I wish him the best in his travels,he'll have a long career ahead of him yet





***afaik Phil grimes missed out on an all Ireland model in 1948 taking the time to travel?

robopaddy2

Of course the conspiracy theorists will say it's because of Derek's system that Tom is leaving but nothing could be further from the truth. A timely reminder that there's more to life than hurling and GAA and for Tom that is certainly the case. Anyone that knows him will tell you his commitment to the cause is phenomenal. The last few years with minor, senior and U21s, club and colleges. People questioning why he played through the league when he knew he was going because when he's in something he's in with both feet. He dosent make excuses always gives his all. Also lined out for the minor and u21 footballers when everyone else was turning their nose up at it. All the while studying to be a doctor! If ever a lad deserved some time away....

blue note

tomwaterford wrote:

I wish him the best in his travels,he'll have a long career ahead of him yet

tomwaterford wrote:

***afaik Phil grimes missed out on an all Ireland model in 1948 taking the time to travel?

tomwaterford wrote:

He's dead right...life's for living and too short to be playing a crap brand of hurling

You're right about phil grimes. In the photos of the 48 winning team he's generally stuck on. He played the first game and then went to America (to work I think).

And Tom Devine is right too. Not all that many opportunities to travel like that. If you keep putting it off he'd never go. We'll miss him for sure, but it's only hurling at the end of the day.

fowlerDgrowler

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Maybe Tom Devine doesn't think our aspirations have much chance of being seriously realised. Either way, can't blame the guy. Maybe he doesn't think it's fair to send a bunch of newbies and novices into a game and have no strategy or even desire to win that game, which ultimately reflects badly on them, like what happened in Galway last week.

Might want to read his statement

chookieourlaw

Does anyone really think that if Tom Devine genuinely believed that Waterford had a real prospect of winning the AI this year that he would still emigrate? Personally, I doubt it.

tomwaterford

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Does anyone really think that if Tom Devine genuinely believed that Waterford had a real prospect of winning the AI this year that he would still emigrate? Personally, I doubt it.

He can always come back??

There's more to life than slogging away woth waterford.....we gave bones of 6 or 7 years knocking on the door and being in with shout and not doing it

The lad is perfectly within his rights to travel,he owes noone anything....outta college 4/5 years could fly by and the chance will be gone

JeffKenna

chookieourlaw wrote: »

Does anyone really think that if Tom Devine genuinely believed that Waterford had a real prospect of winning the AI this year that he would still emigrate? Personally, I doubt it.

Unfortunately I agree. Not many chances for a waterford man to win an all ireland. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can go to Boston on a J1.

mickmackmcgoo

tomwaterford wrote:

The lad is perfectly within his rights to travel,he owes noone anything....outta college 4/5 years could fly by and the chance will be gone

Yeah he obviously has it on his mind with a while and good luck to him . Have a feeling he will never go back to the Waterford team . He done very well in the last 2 matches but couldn't see Derek starting him In the championship anyway .

chookieourlaw

tomwaterford wrote: »

He can always come back??

There's more to life than slogging away woth waterford.....we gave bones of 6 or 7 years knocking on the door and being in with shout and not doing it

The lad is perfectly within his rights to travel,he owes noone anything....outta college 4/5 years could fly by and the chance will be gone

Of course he is perfectly entitled to head off. McGrath could hardly have avoided playing Devine in the championship, at least as an impact sub anyway, considering he has been our best forward in the league with maybe the exception of Stephen Bennett.

cul beag

Old news about Devine heading to Boston, some people knew of it before xmas. Nice to see Club Deise funding this weekend's piss up in London I'm sure the clubs are delighted to see their star players on the lash 1 week out from championship. Can you imagine the shoe on the other foot? And please don't insult my intelligence by saying they're on the dry.... Unfortunately I have seen pictures to prove it. To be honest it's a disgrace and a total lack of respect by management towards the clubs that supply these players.Again the ordinary club players suffer the consequences.

tomwaterford

cul beag wrote: »

Old news about Devine heading to Boston, some people knew of it before xmas. Nice to see Club Deise funding this weekend's piss up in London I'm sure the clubs are delighted to see their star players on the lash 1 week out from championship. Can you imagine the shoe on the other foot? And please don't insult my intelligence by saying they're on the dry.... Unfortunately I have seen pictures to prove it.

Pics or GTFO

cascade12

cul beag wrote: »

Old news about Devine heading to Boston, some people knew of it before xmas. Nice to see Club Deise funding this weekend's piss up in London I'm sure the clubs are delighted to see their star players on the lash 1 week out from championship. Can you imagine the shoe on the other foot? And please don't insult my intelligence by saying they're on the dry.... Unfortunately I have seen pictures to prove it. To be honest it's a disgrace and a total lack of respect by management towards the clubs that supply these players.Again the ordinary club players suffer the consequences.

You are some man. Never miss an opportunity to have a go at the management. Why dont you tell us what you are so bitter about. Maybe someone might be able to help you deal with it. I would assume you will be shouting against Waterford in the championship. I see Club Deise are now also a subject of your vitriol.

tomwaterford

cascade12 wrote: »

You are some man. Never miss an opportunity to have a go at the management. Why dont you tell us what you are so bitter about. Maybe someone might be able to help you deal with it. I would assume you will be shouting against Waterford in the championship. I see Club Deise are now also a subject of your vitriol.

He have the magnificent 4 and now pics aswell to prove people were drinking

The horror of it,young people enjoying themselves :rolleyes:

Ya swear it was week before a county final or something,first round of club games,most lads I know wouldn't begrudge anyone few drinks this far out from a game


Ffs is it monks or hurlers we want

cul beag

tomwaterford wrote: »

He have the magnificent 4 and now pics aswell to prove people were drinking

The horror of it,young people enjoying themselves :rolleyes:

Ya swear it was week before a county final or something,first round of club games,most lads I know wouldn't begrudge anyone few drinks this far out from a game


Ffs is it monks or hurlers we want

Magnificent 4?Sleep well 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

tomwaterford

cul beag wrote: »

Magnificent 4?Sleep well 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂ðŸ‘ðŸ‘

So they don't exist?

cul beag

tomwaterford wrote: »

Pics or GTFO

Not a nice reply Tom! I'm not feeling the love on here lately but unfortunately the truth always hurts. As for the 4 players? You're definitely losing it!
On a more serious note had you any luck with the dating page on here or did the sheep get in the way?

PaddyJoeOil

Tom is deleting his own comments CulBeag haha

SW1985

Typically some are using Tom's decision as a stick to beat Derek with. The board seems to be a magnet for lunatics