Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

omri

Weepsie wrote: »

If it was the sportive I think it was, it was fairly well highlighted by local media well in advance, signposted, marshalled (and has been run for a few years now), had support vehicles front and back then I honestly think the only one whose behaviour can be called into question is your own.

Stop beeping. It's for one arrogant. Secondly you're not supposed to anyway. And it can do the exact opposite to what you intend and intimidate vulnerable road users.

On that particular stretch of road I only saw marshalled ad narrow bridge that allowed for single car passage and it was more for the coming cars. And then I think at the end in some small village. Didn’t read about it in any paper, didnt expect it, the group was atretched but it only had a van at the front.

What’s the point of the horn if youre not supposed to be using it? I feel way more intimidated by cars/busses and trucks passing me by at high speed and close than by a car who beeped well in advance and gave plenty of room when overtaking. I don’t expect you to understand or agree but that my strong view and belief.

And especially when some people listen to music while cycling and some were having conversations with each other while taking the entire lane 2 or 3 abreast.

omri

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

But no etiquette for motorists to make way for a build up of cyclists?

The group was stretch quite a bit. Sorry I didnt take a picture for you. But you just have to believe me.

AndrewJRenko

omri wrote: »

The group was stretch quite a bit. Sorry I didnt take a picture for you. But you just have to believe me.

I'm asking about driving in the city - why is there no etiquette for motorists to move over for faster cyclists?

Seth Brundle

omri wrote: »

On that particular stretch of road I only saw marshalled ad narrow bridge that allowed for single car passage and it was more for the coming cars. And then I think at the end in some small village. Didn’t read about it in any paper, didnt expect it, the group was atretched but it only had a van at the front.

What’s the point of the horn if youre not supposed to be using it? I feel way more intimidated by cars/busses and trucks passing me by at high speed and close than by a car who beeped well in advance and gave plenty of room when overtaking. I don’t expect you to understand or agree but that my strong view and belief.

And especially when some people listen to music while cycling and some were having conversations with each other while taking the entire lane 2 or 3 abreast.

I think it was Mark Twain that said "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience"
I'm out of this now!

Duckjob

You're saying cyclists need "be humble and have respect" while also admitting you beep at other road users to let them know they're in your way and stopping you getting where you're going as quickly as you think you *should* be getting to where you're going.

Where's the humility and respect there?

You couldn't make this up.

Lambay island

The last few pages - What a lovely bank holiday Monday Morning read. Don't know if your man is trolling or genuinely believes if he is correct. If its the latter, its that exact mindset why so many people are afraid to cycle in this country. Reasons like this is why I have to message my wife if I'm leaving work later than normal so she is not worrying why I'm not home at usual time etc. Beeping in situations like that is callous, despite the reasons you give yourself for doing it.

ganmo

His point about tractors having to pull over for faster traffic is something that I think should be applied to all road traffic, horses, cyclists the lot...where he fell down was the fact the rule doesnt apply to cyclists at the moment so just deal with it, breathe and relax.

AndrewJRenko

ganmo wrote: »

His point about tractors having to pull over for faster traffic is something that I think should be applied to all road traffic, horses, cyclists the lot...where he fell down was the fact the rule doesnt apply to cyclists at the moment so just deal with it, breathe and relax.

Last time I looked, there was no explicit law that requires tractors or other slow traffic to pull over. The one much-publicised case in recent years in Mayo was a case of careless driving or something similar, rather than any explicit 'pulling over' law.

magicbastarder

the case in mayo was also prosecuted on some nonsense testimony from a garda which wasn't challenged in court, too.

magicbastarder

bloody hell, even the irish times got the headline wrong (i.e. they used the nonsense testimony):
Tractor driver banned over 7km traffic tailback
Brian McGuinness fined €300 for tailback involving 80-100 vehicles on Westport road
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/tractor-driver-banned-over-7km-traffic-tailback-1.2177126

if it was 80 vehicles, that's nearly 100m between cars - doing 20km/h? at that speed you'd have had a car every 20m, or tighter.
i think i read in a different article that the garda stated the tailback was 7km long, because he drove 7km overtaking it. which is such an abject failure of logic that the tractor driver should have fired his solicitor for not spotting it.

ganmo

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Last time I looked, there was no explicit law that requires tractors or other slow traffic to pull over. The one much-publicised case in recent years in Mayo was a case of careless driving or something similar, rather than any explicit 'pulling over' law.

It's in the rules of the road
"...driving a tractor, you should keep left to let faster traffic pass."
Theres also
"Maintaining safe and reasonable progress when driving"
And that's where I'll leave it

Fighting Tao

ganmo wrote: »

It's in the rules of the road
"...driving a tractor, you should keep left to let faster traffic pass."
Theres also
"Maintaining safe and reasonable progress when driving"
And that's where I'll leave it

I’m not saying that it’s not the law, however the Rules of the Road are an RSA interpretation of the laws and have had inaccuracies and some completely made up BS in them in the past.

AndrewJRenko

ganmo wrote: »

It's in the rules of the road
"...driving a tractor, you should keep left to let faster traffic pass."
Theres also
"Maintaining safe and reasonable progress when driving"
And that's where I'll leave it

Rules of the Road is not law. The actual charge was 'driving without reasonable consideration'.


https://www.advertiser.ie/mayo/article/77206/tractor-driver-banned-from-road-for-causing-seven-mile-tailback

magicbastarder

huh, it's a seven mile tailback now.

CramCycle

Going round a roundabout this morning and passing the last exit before mine and the car started to pull out, I let a shout, nothing abrasive, just STOP and WATCH OUT. Needless to stay, driver followed me down the road, flashing lights, beeping the horn etc. I pulle din at the next bus stop, window came down and the abuse started about it being a two lane roundabout. I just used some unparlimentary language and told them they should learn how to drive, signal and pay attention. Regretted not having my camera on, it started as poor attention, but the follow on was completely unnecessary. All it woudl have taken was a wave of the hand to acknowledge an error, job done, we have all learned, lets move on. Instead it was followed up with intimidation, more bad driving verbal assault (admittedly you could argue this went both ways). They will have gone into work in a rage, I on the other hand, thanks to the wonder of excercise, was calm in a minute or so, and got into work a tiny bit quicker.

Hurrache

Some near misses, some hits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig_PW_-y5SU

magicbastarder

that chap who cycled into the side of the luas must feel like a right twonk.

Utter Consternation

magicbastarder wrote: »

that chap who cycled into the side of the luas must feel like a right twonk.

The auld guy in the background who did a legger when the Audi crashed into the Luas made me chuckle.

Fcuking Usain Bolt.

CramCycle

Lets be honest, none of these are surprising, many of will have seen similar done on our cycles.

magicbastarder

my brother only recently told me (he knew not to tell me at the time - this was probably the early to mid 90s) that he once took my prized muddy fox courier comp when he was going to meet some ladies he wanted to appear cool for. so he decided to arrive in style, and pulled an endo as he got to them in the car park they'd arranged to meet.
except the brakes on my bike were much better than the brakes on his, which he hadn't accounted for, so he certainly made a strong first impression.

ED E

Hurrache wrote: »

Some near misses, some hits.

Great demo of the effectiveness of airbags there.

AndrewJRenko

It looked to me like if the cyclists and some of the pedestrians had kept going instead of pulling back they would have been safer

07Lapierre

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It looked to me like if the cyclists an
d some of the pedestrians had kept going instead of pulling back they would have been safer

Agreed, but in each case, the tram had a green light.

CramCycle

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It looked to me like if the cyclists and some of the pedestrians had kept going instead of pulling back they would have been safer

True but they really should not have been in that position in the 1st place. Nearly all of them increased the risk by stopping but it doesn't mitigate the fact that it was their own stupidity or lack of situational awareness that put them there in the first place.

average_runner

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It looked to me like if the cyclists and some of the pedestrians had kept going instead of pulling back they would have been safer

But its natural to freeze when you hear something beeping at you

Utter Consternation

average_runner wrote: »

But its natural to freeze when you hear something beeping at you

Speaking of incorrect beeping, this asshole pulled right up behind me when i was stopped at the lights here. Nearly touching my back tyre.

He tried to bully up inside me then in his bloody rush.

Apologies for the expletives in the audio. I was not all that pleased.

I need a rear camera.

https://streamable.com/l59eu

micar

average_runner wrote: »

But its natural to freeze when you hear something beeping at you

Hence why you should never beep at a pedestrian crossing the road........slow down and let them cross... .much better than them stopping and you knocking them down.

Utter Consternation

Utter Consternation wrote: »

Speaking of incorrect beeping, this asshole pulled right up behind me when i was stopped at the lights here. Nearly touching my back tyre.

He tried to bully up inside me then in his bloody rush.

Apologies for the expletives in the audio. I was not all that pleased.

I need a rear camera.

https://streamable.com/l59eu

What a gob****e, he doesn't even take the bus lane then nor had he any reason to.

Utter Consternation

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What a gob****e, he doesn't even take the bus lane then nor had he any reason to.

He was going left up ahead but I think he was trying to get ahead of the traffic by using the bus lane.

I'm embarrassed about my reaction, but I'm fed up with that type of behaviour.

Cabaal

micar wrote: »

Hence why you should never beep at a pedestrian crossing the road........slow down and let them cross... .much better than them stopping and you knocking them down.

Or in Dublin in my experience....speed up and beep.
Very different to my experience down the country where people tend to slow down at least