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RIP Martin McGuinness

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Former Deputy First Minister of NI Martin McGuinness has died. May he RIP.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0321/861287-martin-mcguinness-death/

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smelly sock

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Nobody that wasn't living in the north at the time can understand what was going on.

Paratroopers murdering peaceful civil rights campaigners. A police force colluding with unionists. Catholics unable to gain employment.

People like Martin mcguinnes were needed.

Bubbaclaus

A true Irish patriot.

RIP

ThisRegard

FTA69 wrote: »

Norman Tebitt was on Twitter whinging about him. I imagine you'll have a few in the British gutter Press as well up to the same.

Well he was caught up and trapped in the rubble after the Brighton bombing.

selwyn froggitt

steddyeddy wrote: »

The British have zero clue about the history most of the time. The little Englander mentality is out in force today.

If you have so much distain for them, why don't you do yourself a favour and **** off back to Ireland then.

Everyones a winner.

FrancieBrady

steddyeddy wrote: »

The British have zero clue about the history most of the time. The little Englander mentality is out in force today.

In Martin's memory I intend to enjoy the bitterness with a wry smile.
The press of a nation - with one of the world's most belligerent and violent history's and that is still engaged in violent swaggering to achieve it and others aims - having a problem with a part of the life of Martin McGuinness is a true joy to behold.

[Deleted User]

steddyeddy wrote: »

The British have zero clue about the history most of the time. The little Englander mentality is out in force today.

Considering Norman tebbit and his wife were both injured in the Brighton bombing, I'd cut him some slack here.
Not sure i could ever forgive anyone involved in an organisation that did that to me.

[Deleted User]

A few posters seem to be hijacking his death to vent anti British sentiment.

Lord Tebbit is not a spokesperson for "the Establishment". And as McGuinness was part of an organisation that tried to blow him up, and put his wife in wheelchair, it's laughable that people expect him to be nice about it.

AudreyHepburn

While I can't condone the things he was involved with in his early years I do recognize and commend his work for peace later on. I also view it as a form of atonement for him, and Paisely etc for that matter.

I just wish people would take off their rose tinted glasses and see both sides of the man, not just the one of recent years. Praise his work for peace all you want but don't let it cloud over the heinous events he was involved in during his youth.

RIP Martin.

smelly sock

Rip big man. He done what needed to be done at different times.

Peace maker.

FTA69

steddyeddy wrote: »

The British have zero clue about the history most of the time. The little Englander mentality is out in force today.

Stop they'd break your heart at times. Most of them regard the British Empire as a benign or even positive thing, they haven't a bloody clue.

jimgoose

You mightn't necessarily agree with where he came from, but where he ended up going, and - with a little help - bringing others, was rather impressive. I thought well of his last political act, to wit making it quite clear where "Chuckles" Foster could hide her Thermos. RIP Yer Maun.

steddyeddy

FTA69 wrote: »

Norman Tebitt was on Twitter whinging about him. I imagine you'll have a few in the British gutter Press as well up to the same.

The British have zero clue about the history most of the time. The little Englander mentality is out in force today.

FrancieBrady

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

His early life and the IRA campaigns were reprehensible but his achievements in working towards peace and working alongside his foes to achieve that are admirable. His warm personal relationship with Ian Paisley humanised Paisley.

When he began his public life Irish people were living in oppression and inequality when he died they were in joint government and had full equality. That is a massive achievement.

Like any soldier or general you could view their times carrying out violence in isolation I suppose.
Do you do that with all soldiers?

FTA69

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Huh? What are you talking about?

Norman Tebitt was on Twitter whinging about him. I imagine you'll have a few in the British gutter Press as well up to the same.

LordSutch

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Lord Tibbett or whatever his name is was just on GMB

-edit - in fairness his wife was crippled by a bomb so understandable he hates MM

Well indeed most of us hated MMG with a passion (back then) in the former half of his life . . . but that was then.

Annasopra

His early life and the IRA campaigns were reprehensible but his achievements in working towards peace and working alongside his foes to achieve that are admirable. His warm personal relationship with Ian Paisley humanised Paisley.

steddyeddy

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Huh? What are you talking about?

Well I live in England and some of the papers are making vile comments TBH.

Annasopra

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

You have to laugh at the British establishment being interviewed and calling McGuiness a coward and a murderer when the Brits were sending death squads to NI to murder innocent Catholics. McGuinness must have done something right to upset so many horrible people who were stuck up Thatchers hole.

Huh? What are you talking about?

FrancieBrady

RIP Martin, worked unselfishly and tirelessly for lasting peace all his life and achieved it.
A huge miss.

Jawgap

Terrorist, murdering scumbag?

Yeah, definitely - but he always struck me as someone you could trust - that if he gave his word he'd honour it.

He also struck me as one of the very few politicians on the island who had some core of truth about him - whether you agreed with his central beliefs or not at least you could guarantee he'd remain faithful to them and not ditch them for reasons of political expediency........unlike the rest of the slieveens in his party.

He'll be lionised beyond what is both decent and right, but I'd say the Irish political landscape just became a lot duller for his passing.

Ferrari3600

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Always HAS to be one in AH....?

Oh, there'll be more than one, I can assure you. Look on the bright side, it gives one an indication of how to put on one's block list. There is no reasoning with the Cruiserite foaming-at-the-mouth brigade.

R P McMurphy

Slan Martin, ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam

Tipsy McSwagger

https://twitter.com/joberry9/status/844086745322938368

lawred2

Genuinely saddened by this

RIP Martin

ThisRegard

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Always HAS to be one in AH....?

While I don't agree with how he put it, his point is correct given how the other death threads mentioned went.

Tipsy McSwagger

Deleted User wrote: »

Link?

Lord Tibbett or whatever his name is was just on GMB

-edit - in fairness his wife was crippled by a bomb so understandable he hates MM

steddyeddy

He was honest about his past, he brought more of the more hardline republicans into the peace process and he made a lot of efforts to reach out to the unionist community. History will judge him kindly and I bet we'll be surprised at the people coming out of the woodwork to give him praise. Don't forget Nelson Mandela led a bombing campaign, was called a terrorist and later acted as a peacemaker.

[Deleted User]

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

You have to laugh at the British establishment being interviewed and calling McGuiness a coward and a murderer...

Link?

Tipsy McSwagger

You have to laugh at the British establishment being interviewed and calling McGuiness a coward and a murderer when the Brits were sending death squads to NI to murder innocent Catholics. McGuinness must have done something right to upset so many horrible people who were stuck up Thatchers hole.

Autonomous Cowherd

I grew up safe in the south, as I think many commenting on here did, where there was no occupation, no soldiers on the streets. I lived north of the border for a while before the Peace Process, and saw the heavy pervasive machinery of occupation and felt the threat of guerrilla terrorism, of which I am no supporter. But i know that my good brothers might have taken up arms had they lived in Derry in the 70s, so I cannot in all honesty deny that i recognise part of my soul in the Republican Martin McGuinness. What he did later, working with Ian Paisley (often joyfully, it seemed), managing to rub along with Peter Robinson, shaking the Queen's hand, the symbol of the forces who had killed his fellow city men, chiseling out peace in a land where neighbours loathed each other not so long ago, was brave and symbolic and powerful.