Too poor to buy sanitary towels

steddyeddy

Electric Sheep wrote: »

So many things were a source of stress, weren't they? School supplies, those other small incidental expenses that you tried to hide from your mother because she had enough on her plate. The thrill of getting a couple of nights of babysitting so you could by them yourself instead of asking the mother for stuff.

Pretty much all the kids I went to school with were in the same boat though. At least we did not have to deal with comparisons.

Yes they were indeed. I used to dread hearing about new books or school trips. Looking back now it was tough. I worked from a young age on 2.14 an hour. I was glad of that.

hungry hypno toad

eviltwin wrote: »

Rather it's just creating bigger issues down the road

And allowing children to remain in an environment where they are being wilfully neglected will also lead to big issues down the road.

hungry hypno toad

Widdershins wrote: »

Maybe. But, sometimes peoples situations, though hard to understand, can be straightened out.

Yes and if that happens then it is the best course for all concerned. If he parent isn't capable or willing to sort things out them leaving the children in that environment is not the answer.

hungry hypno toad

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

Parents denying their children access to sanitary products is awful. But some people on here don't seem to have a problem with that. Wonder why?

What are you talking about? Everyone has a problem with it when it's because the parent doesn't prioritize the child.

They just don't want the child to suffer because of it. This is where you have the issues.

eviltwin

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

And allowing children to remain in an environment where they are being wilfully neglected will also lead to big issues down the road.

Or we can meet in the middle and provide sanitary protection while also working with families to help them. Removing a child from their home should be a last resort.

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Electric Sheep

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes they were indeed. I used to dread hearing about new books or school trips. Looking back now it was tough. I worked from a young age on 2.14 an hour. I was glad of that.

I lived in a rural area, where babysitting was about it as far as part time work was concerned. Any other part time jobs would have every local housewife competing for the privilege.

Our school didn't do school trips, they knew nobody could afford them.

I don't forget, I do try to pay it forward. I have a very comfortable life now, but I remember when I didn't. And it was not my mother's fault, god knows she did her best under tough circumstances.

hungry hypno toad

eviltwin wrote: »

Or we can meet in the middle and provide sanitary protection while also working with families to help them. Removing a child from their home should be a last resort.

How many times do I need to say that the parents would be given the opportunity to fix their behaviour and if they were unable or unwilling to do so the the next step in the workflow.

steddyeddy

Electric Sheep wrote: »

I lived in a rural area, where babysitting was about it as far as part time work was concerned. Any other part time jobs would have every local housewife competing for the privilege.

Our school didn't do school trips, they knew nobody could afford them.

I don't forget, I do try to pay it forward. I have a very comfortable life now, but I remember when I didn't. And it was not my mother's fault, god knows she did her best under tough circumstances.

Sounds like the same situation for me ES. My mother worked herself to the bone to provide for me. I can never repay her for that.

I'm the same. It's a dream of mine to help poor children into a decent education.

steddyeddy

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

How many times do I need to say that the parents would be given the opportunity to fix their behaviour and if they were unable or unwilling to do so the the next step in the workflow.

I suppose you could keep posting until something logical came out.

Electric Sheep

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

How many times do I need to say that the parents would be given the opportunity to fix their behaviour and if they were unable or unwilling to do so the the next step in the workflow.

So you are a foster parent? Or is that someone else's responsibility?

eviltwin

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

How many times do I need to say that the parents would be given the opportunity to fix their behaviour and if they were unable or unwilling to do so the the next step in the workflow.

And that fixes everything does it? You haven't a clue.

SILVAMAN

The culture of entitlement has spawned a class of useless layabouts who cannot even begin to prioritise what they should spend their money on in order to have a decent standard of living.
If the state has to pay for your home and give you money each week to pay your bills and to eat, you need to get a spending plan in place. I dread to think what sort of society we will have in another 20 years.

Electric Sheep

steddyeddy wrote: »

I suppose you could keep posting until something logical came out.

I suspect that poster and logic do not have a close relationship.

Permabear

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I agree, there is always a way but not everyone can see it, and sometimes it's just that some people have never felt they deserved it either. Not everyone feels worthy of more, something I've encountered in my work time and time again in parts of the world so poor that this pads argument would be akin to arguing about taking the Bentley or the helicopter to work by comparison. When people are truly crushed by circumstance it can go beyond things that have happened to them, and turns into a part of their identity that they can't leave behind.

Probably. I've certainly found it much easier to make money than achieve inner happiness and contentment.

Strangely, I've never personally actively pursued happiness. I've always thought that happiness can only ever be ephemeral and being a pragmatic and optimistic person anyway, I've always aimed for contentment and fulfilment. And funnily enough, that's what's brought me happiness. I think you need one before you become receptive to the other, or perhaps that's just me.

hungry hypno toad

We spend billions in social welfare and some posters think we should spend even more on free sanitary products because some parents are unwilling or unable to budget properly while smoking, drinking and living on takeaways with full Sky packages and 70 inch TVs. This country really is f***ed when that attitude prevails.

infogiver

eviltwin wrote: »

Or we can meet in the middle and provide sanitary protection while also working with families to help them. Removing a child from their home should be a last resort.

I don't think hungry hypno toad really means to remove the children from the home, but if children are arriving at school in 2017 in Ireland with no sanitary protection then a red flag should pop up.
That family needs help because it's inexcusable and one way or the other the situation will have to be rectified and I don't think that making sanitary protection available for free is the answer.
The absence of the basic items necessary for a girls dignity and self respect is symptomatic of more serious issues in the background

Widdershins

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You can have grit, determination, three jobs and still struggle. It's all well and good having a neat little formula for success, but life can throw 'curveballs' that are different for everyone. We will all have different means both financially and otherwise at our disposal to handle each of those obstacles. Life is not a level playing field.

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suicide_circus

Let them use cake

hungry hypno toad

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

Yes, I have a well paid job, many would say very well paid. I pay thousands in direct payroll taxes every month. I object to people claiming that social welfare rates are too low, they are usually the people that wouldn't be affected by an increase in the higher rate of income tax required to pay for social welfare increases. Not to mention those with a class obsessed poverty porn agenda.

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Who claimed that?

The only thing I've seen suggested is that sanitary protection should be provided.

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

If you read my earlier posts you would see that I said the children should be removed from the parents if they are are not willing or able to raise them - either by denying them access to sanitary products or allowing them to mitch from school because of this.

Which is counterproductive to your argument about not wanting to pay more tax.

€5-10 per month is a lot more cost effective than a couple of hundred per week for foster care...

infogiver wrote: »

My daughter did her LC in 2016 and had absolutely zero sex Ed at school.
In any case every girl needs an adult woman to be able to talk to from time to time in her teenage years, if only to clear up what are myths and what are facts.
I find it very hard to believe that a lone father has absolutely no sister, sister in law, or other woman well known to his children who can be called upon.

Alcohol drugs gambling and promiscuous behaviour can be a very touchy subject if there's an issue too close to home.
We'll have to agree to disagree. You think a lone father can be excused for sending his daughters to school with no sanitary protection. You also apparently think that the school have the whole boys/sex/contraception issue covered.
I don't agree.

Good grief! My local school has run sex ed. since back in the day when I was at school.

Sex ed is actually meant to begin in primary school nowadays, it's actually part of the curriculum.

Hollister11

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

I've spent a month on our welfare lately. It doesn't even cover the rent.

Maybe too generous for those who get rent allowance but not for the rest of us.

Ironic that your on welfare.

Aren't you always preaching for people to get a job?

Thoie

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

We spend billions in social welfare and some posters think we should spend even more on free sanitary products because some parents are unwilling or unable to budget properly while smoking, drinking and living on takeaways with full Sky packages and 70 inch TVs. This country really is f***ed when that attitude prevails.

Where are you getting this image that every family receiving social welfare is spending it all on ridiculous luxuries instead of basic necessities? I'm sure there may be some out there that do, but the vast majority of people receiving social welfare spend it on groceries, and bills and other necessities.

You appear to be reveling in some kind of delusion that SW recipients may only spend their money in ways of which you approve. It sounds like you'd prefer if we reopened workhouses and the Magdalene Laundries. Maybe we could start up some gulags and work the elderly and sick until they keel over?

The largest group receiving social welfare in Ireland are pensioners. Do you examine every granny's sitting room to see what she's spending her pension on?

Widdershins

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The key to survival. Not necessarily the key to 'success' or great improvement in circumstances. Every single person I have in mind when typing these comments possesses all of those attributes but you wouldn't know that to look at their current social status, on paper. I am sure they'd be insulted and patronised to be informed of what attitude and approach they should take to life, when they already do all of that. And I'm almost certain, if you sat down with them and heard their story, by the end of it you'd throw your hands up in exasperation because there is no neat answer. I think what you're saying is not so different to something a self help manual or a life coach would say. It's all sound enough advice but it's equally simplistic.

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Widdershins

Permabear wrote: »

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I'm thinking of Irish and English people. Do those studies involve them?
Maybe there is some kind of cultural difference in the U.S.
Yes, people who do all of the above and try their best against the odds would be insulted. You don't seem to believe they exist.

steddyeddy

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

We spend billions in social welfare and some posters think we should spend even more on free sanitary products because some parents are unwilling or unable to budget properly while smoking, drinking and living on takeaways with full Sky packages and 70 inch TVs. This country really is f***ed when that attitude prevails.

The way most decent people would look at it is we're saving young girls the embarrassment and loss of dignity that comes from not being able to afford hygiene products.

eviltwin

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

We spend billions in social welfare and some posters think we should spend even more on free sanitary products because some parents are unwilling or unable to budget properly while smoking, drinking and living on takeaways with full Sky packages and 70 inch TVs. This country really is f***ed when that attitude prevails.

It's not always like that. Have you ever been on welfare? I have. I had a mortgage that still needed paying and medical treatment for a child that we still had to pay for. You are forced to make hard choices, pay the mortgage on time but eat beans on toast for dinner or dilute your shampoo so you get an extra week out of it. Not easy. Not all people on welfare are broke because they spent their benefits on cigarettes and drink.

the_pen_turner

eviltwin wrote: »

hungry hypno toad wrote: »

We spend billions in social welfare and some posters think we should spend even more on free sanitary products because some parents are unwilling or unable to budget properly while smoking, drinking and living on takeaways with full Sky packages and 70 inch TVs. This country really is f***ed when that attitude prevails.

It's not always like that. Have you ever been on welfare? I have. I had a mortgage that still needed paying and medical treatment for a child that we still had to pay for. You are forced to make hard choices, pay the mortgage on time but eat beans on toast for dinner or dilute your shampoo so you get an extra week out of it. Not easy. Not all people on welfare are broke because they spent their benefits on cigarettes and drink.

Of course not all are like that. There are a few genuinely poor people out there that are straggling.
The vast majority are not .