Backlash for RTE for Gilligan invite.

Noddyholder

infogiver wrote: »

Ok noddy. Either you don't believe that he was convicted of drugs offences or you don't believe that any young people have died as a result of taking drugs.
Either of these is easily proven, incidentally.
Which is your issue or is it both?
You clearly think this man should be given a platform to put forth his case on the national broadcaster, despite him spending years putting forward his case in a public court of law, and having been found by that court to be a liar, so why do you think he should be given another chance to plead his innocence?

Sorry lad I just correcting the misinformation your putting out here & once again I see you twisting posts.

Dirty Dingus McGee

thecretinhop wrote: »

Utter scumbag typical rte. This sociopathic reptile would more than likely get a fee which we would pay turgity would make it a soft interview he would lie through his teeth more than likely upset guerins family and hey it all ok the jokeshop latelate gets ratings. After valentines day just call it what is becoming the jermy kyle show.
Instead of hard work researching guests etc its much easier to go down the lazy sensational route.. ffs well worth our license fee

How is this typical of RTE.They tend to be quite a safe station by todays standards not at all typical them doing something controversial like this.

Dirty Dingus McGee

infogiver wrote: »

I'm sure if RTE advertised that the LLS was going to include a live bestiality show that a lot of people would tune in too, but does that make it alright? I suppose you'd still be telling me to change the channel if I don't like it?

To be honest I doubt many people would tune in for that just like I doubt many people would tune in for a live execution as was proposed earlier in this thread.

garrettod

RTE needs to be radically overhauled...

We do need to retain a public broadcaster, but we don't need it to have two TV channels and a eight radio stations or whatever the current count is. There is endless competition available for both radio and tv, both free and subscription services.

We currently pay a licence fee to subsidise channels that don't benefit us - particularly when you look at the percentage of TV content that is available elsewhere (Eastenders, several TV shows etc.). I'm more than happy to pay for a TV licence that supports broadcasts that benefit the nation, I'm good with subsidising TG4 because of the Irish langauge content for example and also want a certain amount of local news and current affairs covered, but nothing more and certainly not to watch more bought in material that can easily be viewed on BBC etc.

Just look at the price raised when UTV sold out it's NI regional broadcasting licence. Likewise, look at the prices raised in the past when various radio stations have been sold - RTE could sell off some of it's stations to raise much needed funds. Sell off one of the two tv stations and a few of the radio stations and you suddenly have €200m - €250m. I can certianly think of a lot of other things the nation would benefit from if those funds were released - be it public housing, improvements to the hospitals etc. etc.

Rather than pay between €250k-€450k per year to the likes of Ryan Tubridy, Mirriam O'Callaghan, why not start spending our money more wisely or better yet, cut out the Friday night / Saturday night / Sunday night regurgitated talk show crap - we don't need to have three nights with the same crap and the same group of RTE cronies on time and time again, then to finally think we've escaped from them only to find that more of our licence fees are being squandered paying them to pretend to be great dancers on a poor rip off of Dancing with the Stars !

RTE currently have financial problems (again !) and while it's correct to look at selling part of the property at Donnybrook (they should actually sell it all and relocate to a cheaper property in a less central Dublin location), but rather than cut unnecessary expenditure and sell off non-core stations, the solution is to sell some of it's property so it can keep paying high salaries to their mates. Completely unsatisfactory and long past time it was put a stop to !

Hopefully people will start emailing Denis Naughton (minister.naughten@dccae.gov.ie) and tell him we want change, we want better value for our licence fee and we want RTE to be overhauled, to bring an end to the bad value it's providing. I've already contacted him but suspect he's not hearing from enough people to really give a sh1t.

Dirty Dingus McGee

I remember Gilligans lawyer being interviewed on the LLS I'd say about 10 years ago and despite him being very slick and answering all the questions well he came off incredibly badly in my opinion and frankly I'd have him at close to the same level as Gilligan himself for his ability to defend such scum.

An interview would do nothing positive for Gilligan at all (like has being suggested) just show the country what a scumbag he is.

thecretinhop

I mean pure lazy badly researched easy options joke shop joe the socialist on 600k farcy oops wrong button. Most of rte if not all of it takes easy option operation t dancing with rednecks etc. As i said the rte are just lazy in fact this guest is the easy gutter option to get high ratings.

Wanderer2010

Paul Williams would be a great interviewer if it ever happened.

Wanderer2010

thecretinhop wrote: »

I mean pure lazy badly researched easy options joke shop joe the socialist on 600k farcy oops wrong button. Most of rte if not all of it takes easy option operation t dancing with rednecks etc. As i said the rte are just lazy in fact this guest is the easy gutter option to get high ratings.

Don't forget that RTE hate working class people despite most people in the country being of that class.

mikeoneilly

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Paul Williams would be a great interviewer if it ever happened.

He would on this single issue for sure

Other than that I wouldn't care to see him as he sold out to AGS a long time ago

infogiver

weldoninhio wrote: »

Who said anything about cheering?? I must have missed his murder, and Class A drug trafficking convictions, got a link??

Of course. Gilligan didn't murder or beat up V Guerin. Some other guy did that. Or maybe she's not dead at all. No Gilligan is a proper gent, the salt of the earth.

infogiver

Omackeral wrote: »

I don't know if you deal in facts or not but he was convicted of importing hash. Don't think that puts the children of Ireland on graveyards. Actually, it's a popular train of thought to legalise it. You continue on in your outraged hyperbole though.

That's right. A terrible injustice has been done to Gilligan and he deserves his 1/2 hour on the LLS to set the record straight.
Crooked Gards framing an innocent hash dealer....who just happened to have enough money to build an equestrian centre....from his wages as a docker in Dublin Port you know...didn't all the dockers build equestrian centres...

infogiver

weldoninhio wrote: »

No one has ever died from taking cannabis!! I'd love you to "easily prove" that they have.

10 seconds of googling


https://www.google.ie/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/38994637?client=safari

infogiver

infogiver wrote: »

10 seconds of googling


https://www.google.ie/amp/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/38994637?client=safari

The first sentence of that article said the poor guy killed himself. Read your own articles or don't bother at all.

infogiver

infogiver wrote: »

That's right. A terrible injustice has been done to Gilligan and he deserves his 1/2 hour on the LLS to set the record straight.
Crooked Gards framing an innocent hash dealer....who just happened to have enough money to build an equestrian centre....from his wages as a docker in Dublin Port you know...didn't all the dockers build equestrian centres...

Yeah because that's what was said. I think you see what you want to see to be honest. Brutal posting from you all thread tbh, making a bit of a show of yourself.

Richard Hillman

If he admitted his crimes and claimed to be a Reformed character, I would have no problem with him being given a non-profit opportunity to show his remorse but he hasn't and he likely won't ever.


I haven't gone through the thread so it was probably already mentioned but Gilligan now has a Facebook likes page. The messages of support for him are sickening.

https://www.facebook.com/OFFICIALJOHNGILLIGAN/

infogiver

Omackeral wrote: »

The first sentence of that article said the poor guy killed himself. Read your own articles or don't bother at all.

He killed himself as a direct result of his addiction to cannabis.
Read before you reply please.

infogiver

Omackeral wrote: »

Yeah because that's what was said. I think you see what you want to see to be honest. Brutal posting from you all thread tbh, making a bit of a show of yourself.

I'm not the poster who is trying to make a case for a murdering scumbag.
That's you.
Your just embarrassing yourself with your excuses and now a personal attack.
You should unfollow the thread before you dig yourself an even bigger hole.

Noddyholder

infogiver wrote: »

He killed himself as a direct result of his addiction to cannabis.
Read before you reply please.

infogiver wrote: »

I'm not the poster who is trying to make a case for a murdering scumbag.
That's you.
Your just embarrassing yourself with your excuses and now a personal attack.
You should unfollow the thread before you dig yourself an even bigger hole.

Do you even read your own links ?? read it again. and your the first person here calling & generalising people as towrags.

You haven't a clue what your posting about lad.

infogiver

infogiver wrote: »

He killed himself as a direct result of his addiction to cannabis.
Read before you reply please.

According to his father, who isn't a doctor and was most likely grieving, angry and looking for sense in his son's death and/or something to blame. He suffered from psychosis. You should read your own bloody articles. Embarrasing.

weldoninhio

infogiver wrote: »

He killed himself as a direct result of his addiction to cannabis.
Read before you reply please.

Cannabis isn't addictive.

infogiver

infogiver wrote: »

I'm not the poster who is trying to make a case for a murdering scumbag.
That's you.
Your just embarrassing yourself with your excuses and now a personal attack.
You should unfollow the thread before you dig yourself an even bigger hole.

Ha you are actually deluded or on the wind up. Not making 'a case for a murdering scumbag', I'm simply saying people would tune in. They would, can you not see a difference there or are your blinkers on too tight? Maybe you should chill out and have some Class A cannabis, although that might kill you like it does everyone else.

This is what I'm saying infogiver; People would tune in to a John Gilligan interview.

This is not what I'm saying infogiver; John Gilligan is a good man.

There you go, black and white. Can't make it any easier for you.

Noddyholder

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

I remember Gilligans lawyer being interviewed on the LLS I'd say about 10 years ago and despite him being very slick and answering all the questions well he came off incredibly badly in my opinion and frankly I'd have him at close to the same level as Gilligan himself for his ability to defend such scum.

An interview would do nothing positive for Gilligan at all (like has being suggested) just show the country what a scumbag he is.

Giovanni di Stefano,On 27 March 2013 he was found guilty of all charges; nine counts of obtaining a money transfer by deception, eight counts of fraud, three counts of acquiring criminal property, two counts of using a false instrument, one count of attempting to obtain a money transfer by deception, one count of obtaining property by deception and one count of using criminal property.[6] He subsequently pleaded guilty to two additional counts: defrauding a couple out of £160,000, including a woman's life savings of £75,000, and stealing £150,000 from a man who had been in a car accident and lost a limb.[129]

He was sentenced to 14 years imprisonment

.On 4 April 2014, eight and a half years were added to Di Stefano's fourteen-year sentence,https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwi5h6HNg5rSAhUHvhQKHa1rC6YQFggcMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGiovanni_Di_Stefano_(fraudster)&usg=AFQjCNEFy8XNp99gPzxiFyllZKxH6sIuGQ

He as bad as some of his clients.

infogiver

infogiver wrote: »

I'm not the poster who is trying to make a case for a murdering scumbag.
That's you.

Just so you're in absolutely no doubt...

Omackeral wrote: »

Why be so close minded? Yes he's a scum bag, but there's a chance it could be interesting.

Winterlong

Anyone want some...

trashcan

Delacent wrote: »

Its the sensationalist indo creating a story out of nothing.
The sensationalist indo and sister rags herald and world that give "celebrity" status to the scum.

Sad that so many people don't see the indo for what it is - a sensationalist, hysterical, rag.

Agree with you about the Indo and particularly the Herald. They have made celebrities out of these low lifes. Anyway, it's not happening, as Gillian refused the offer. No doubt lots would tune in for it, I wouldn't be among them. Too much like giving him a platform for my liking, and I'm not particularly interested in anything he or his ilk might have to say.

end of the road

Free-2-Flow wrote: »

Could you imagine that the last thing Veronica Guerin thought about as her life was taken would be "my killer will be on the Late Late show for this"

Mind boggling.

no, i can't, as he isn't her killer in the eyes of the law (which is all that actually matters) . so until such time as he is actually convicted of having anything to do with the murder, then it is hard to imagine something that might not be.

garrettod wrote: »

RTE needs to be radically overhauled...

We do need to retain a public broadcaster, but we don't need it to have two TV channels and a eight radio stations or whatever the current count is. There is endless competition available for both radio and tv, both free and subscription services.

We currently pay a licence fee to subsidise channels that don't benefit us - particularly when you look at the percentage of TV content that is available elsewhere (Eastenders, several TV shows etc.). I'm more than happy to pay for a TV licence that supports broadcasts that benefit the nation, I'm good with subsidising TG4 because of the Irish langauge content for example and also want a certain amount of local news and current affairs covered, but nothing more and certainly not to watch more bought in material that can easily be viewed on BBC etc.

Just look at the price raised when UTV sold out it's NI regional broadcasting licence. Likewise, look at the prices raised in the past when various radio stations have been sold - RTE could sell off some of it's stations to raise much needed funds. Sell off one of the two tv stations and a few of the radio stations and you suddenly have €200m - €250m. I can certianly think of a lot of other things the nation would benefit from if those funds were released - be it public housing, improvements to the hospitals etc. etc.

Rather than pay between €250k-€450k per year to the likes of Ryan Tubridy, Mirriam O'Callaghan, why not start spending our money more wisely or better yet, cut out the Friday night / Saturday night / Sunday night regurgitated talk show crap - we don't need to have three nights with the same crap and the same group of RTE cronies on time and time again, then to finally think we've escaped from them only to find that more of our licence fees are being squandered paying them to pretend to be great dancers on a poor rip off of Dancing with the Stars !

RTE currently have financial problems (again !) and while it's correct to look at selling part of the property at Donnybrook (they should actually sell it all and relocate to a cheaper property in a less central Dublin location), but rather than cut unnecessary expenditure and sell off non-core stations, the solution is to sell some of it's property so it can keep paying high salaries to their mates. Completely unsatisfactory and long past time it was put a stop to !

Hopefully people will start emailing Denis Naughton (minister.naughten@dccae.gov.ie) and tell him we want change, we want better value for our licence fee and we want RTE to be overhauled, to bring an end to the bad value it's providing. I've already contacted him but suspect he's not hearing from enough people to really give a sh1t.

there is only competition for a small part of rte's output. the channels rte provide may not benefit you but they benefit others. i would agree that the bought in material could go. however it's then a question of whether people would be willing to pay for the procurement of only home grown programming instead which might cost more. the vast majority of rte's stations couldn't be sold as nobody would buy them unless they could turn them into cloans of all ready existing services which would bring nothing to the nation unlike what does currently exist. it's not rte's job to sell off it's stations to be turned into more of the same to release funds for hospitals or public housing, things there is plenty of money for yet government do not wish to spend. there are no cheeper properties availible that can accommodate rte and the space it needs. all though state services selling off needed property to plug financial holes is an issue as it means they can only function less and less as time goes on.

infogiver

Noddyholder wrote: »

Do you even read your own links ?? read it again. and your the first person here calling & generalising people as towrags.

You haven't a clue what your posting about lad.

What is a towrag?Lad?

infogiver

weldoninhio wrote: »

Cannabis isn't addictive.

Of course it's not. Completely harmless. The father of the dead man in the article I linked too is an absolute liar. His son was not addicted to cannabis and Gilligan earned the money to build a multi million euro equestrian centre from his wages as a docker in Dublin port years ago.

weldoninhio

infogiver wrote: »

What is a towrag?Lad?

Silly argument thrashed, resort to grammatical errors to deflect.

Well done buddy.

The father is not a medical professional.
The son had psychosis and sadly killed himself.
We all know Gilligan is a criminal.
We know his dockers wages didn't pay for Jessbrook.
Water is wet.

weldoninhio

infogiver wrote: »

Of course it's not. Completely harmless. The father of the dead man in the article I linked too is an absolute liar. His son was not addicted to cannabis and Gilligan earned the money to build a multi million euro equestrian centre from his wages as a docker in Dublin port years ago.

Perhaps when you find the link to where Warehouse John was convicted of importing Class A's, you can also find me a link to the fathers medical or addiction credentials??

infogiver

weldoninhio wrote: »

Silly argument thrashed, resort to grammatical errors to deflect.

Well done buddy.

Thanks buddy

twinytwo

Omackeral wrote: »

Actual serial killers have been interviewed too. It gives an insight into how their mind works. Why be so close minded? Yes he's a scum bag, but there's a chance it could be interesting. True crime is a massive genre is motion picture and literature. Not everyone who consumes it or is interested in it is a slack jawed yokel or a scum bag.

Do you think Gilligan would ever actually answer any of the hard questions??

Scumbag should have been put against a wall and shot.

twinytwo

Noddyholder wrote: »

You think with the attention he received for the Killing of Veronica Guerin , the two assassination attempts on his life, with his minder being killed. his exile to England & then meekly being let back in, he would want to keep his head down, No not Johhnyboy , He thrives publicity & attention, he has a facebook now with all sorts of ramplings on it.

And while I do think him getting 25 years, reduced on appeal for cannabiz smuggling was a bit harsh, Reality of it was that he went down for organising the murder of Veronica Guerin.

A good interviewer would tear him to shreds, have we got one ?

It was 20 tonnes

flutered

TallGlass wrote: »

He'll be writing books next. I'd say the Garda haves headache looking after him at this stage.

leave him to his own devieces

SEPT 23 1989

John Gilligan The Musical?

gramar

infogiver wrote: »

Thanks buddy

You did a class A job of derailing this thread.

twinytwo

twinytwo wrote: »

Do you think Gilligan would ever actually answer any of the hard questions??

I don't know what way he'd answer to be honest. It would be interesting though and I think 10's of thousands would tune in to see it. To see how he'd try worm and squirm out of certain questions. Would be good to see him grilled on a national stage like that. I, nor anyone else on here, has said that they think Gilligan is a good or decent man. By all accounts he's a bullying tramp. It would be good to see how smooth he thinks he is vs how much of a little sh*tebag he actually is and it would make good television. That's the crux of my point.

realdanbreen

A Little Pony wrote: »

Michael Stone was on the late late show? Killing people is killing people, no other way to put it. And besides, it makes it interesting. Controversial topics and lunatics is what makes great television. You watch to be informed and entertained surely?

Yeah Michael Stone was on the LLS talking about his art work and of course some time later he attempted to kill another former LLS guest in Stormont castle. I remember the pathetic look on Stones face when a female security guard had his arm trapped in a revolving door. Come to think of it was that the only time one LLS guest attempted to murder another LLS guest?

tomwaterford

realdanbreen wrote: »

Come to think of it was that the only time one LLS guest attempted to murder another LLS guest?

The late late needs more of this to happen live on it



Come to think of it.....was mcgregor ever interviewed on the late late??

Cameo

I wouldn't agree with Gilligan being a guest on The Late Late Show, because he is not a reformed character or remorseful, and he seems to be an arrogant, narcissistic, self deluded type person with a massive ego (which really doesn't need salving via this kind of publicity) who can't see what he's done wrong - it's everyone else's fault, etc. I don't see it being that different to having Larry Murphy as a guest.

And his Facebook page URL is "JOHNGILLIGANOFFICIAL" as if he's a sportsperson or musician or author.

And he has supporters on Facebook that say stuff like "The real criminals are in Dáil Éireann".

Plus, as said, Tubridy would not be able to pull such an interview off. I think it would be awkward TV, not interesting TV (and the audience would have to clap him before and after, even though few would want to - cringe).

However, saying people, who would simply watch such an interview, are as bad as Gilligan's associates, and are supportive of Gilligan... would ye ever cop on.

johnruns

Would be great if leaving donnybrook he was taken out for being the scumbag he is and hey if we have to sacrafice tubridy so be it.

twill

Omackeral wrote: »

This is what I'm saying infogiver; People would tune in to a John Gilligan interview.

This is not what I'm saying infogiver; John Gilligan is a good man.

There you go, black and white. Can't make it any easier for you.

Actually there were a number of posters in this thread who argued that Gilligan had not been convicted of anything more than importing cannabis, and that cannabis entirely harmless, with the implication being that infogiver is a moron for arguing that Gilligan is a scumbag who should not be given free publicity. So infogiver isn't pulling that out of nowhere, although you might not have said it.

And really, publicity is what it's about, isn't it? Maybe it's just an easy way to get people talking about something other than last week's disaster. I can't accept the argument that there'll be some in-depth interrogation of Gilligan a la Gay Byrne. The Late Late Show doesn't go for that kind of controversy any more (ill-judged as it sometimes was, as in the case of Michael Stone); just the stupid kind.

KKkitty

Knowing Tubridy and the RTE he'd probably say you've murdered a few people but you gave under privileged youths something to do. Gilligan shouldn't be given anything in my opinion only a cell with the bare minimum in it. He's a horrible human being who has inflicted so much pain and suffering on so many people over the years.

feargale

gramar wrote: »

Not a bad way to spice up the show though. Can a show that has become dull and sterile be blamed for trying to get a bit of it's edge back and for once not rely on the Rte canteen to fill it's guest slots?

It would seem that RTE have taken a different route to try to revive itself. Note the amount of unsubtle sleaze and vulgarity that now passes for entertainment, and the presenters who are all too keen to encourage it.

gramar

feargale wrote: »

It would seem that RTE have taken a different route to try to revive itself. Note the amount of unsubtle sleaze and vulgarity that now passes for entertainment, and the presenters who are all too keen to encourage it.

They try the vulgar route occasionally and fail miserably. When is the last time there was an interview or guest that got the nation talking? Take Friday night...Una Healy. 10 minutes of pleasantries about nothing at all. As banal as banal could be. 'When Ireland play England what jerseys do the kids wear...' titter titter guffaw... Take a thorny issue, get a controversial guest on and do something different for a change. The same old back slapping of people on plugging books or Rte shows week on week out is worthless viewing.

weldoninhio

twill wrote: »

Actually there were a number of posters in this thread who argued that Gilligan had not been convicted of anything more than importing cannabis, and that cannabis entirely harmless, with the implication being that infogiver is a moron for arguing that Gilligan is a scumbag who should not be given free publicity. So infogiver isn't pulling that out of nowhere, although you might not have said it.

And really, publicity is what it's about, isn't it? Maybe it's just an easy way to get people talking about something other than last week's disaster. I can't accept the argument that there'll be some in-depth interrogation of Gilligan a la Gay Byrne. The Late Late Show doesn't go for that kind of controversy any more (ill-judged as it sometimes was, as in the case of Michael Stone); just the stupid kind.

He hasn't been convicted of anything more. It's moronic to argue anything else.

infogiver

weldoninhio wrote: »

He hasn't been convicted of anything more. It's moronic to argue anything else.

We get it weldonihio. For you Gilligan is a misunderstood hero who has put his life on the line to import a small amount of cannabis (20 tonnes as someone else pointed out) that a very small amount of people feel should be legal.
And nobody ever in the history of cannabis use has ever suffered any ill effects, and cannabis use never ever leads to the abuse of harder drugs.
That all rubbish made up by right wing conservatives.
And for this he was fitted up by the filth for the murder of some bimbo reporter who probably shot herself in the head.
And he deserves a chance to set the record straight on TV.
Of course.
And I'm the moron.

appledrop

Tristrams Shandied wrote: »

It glorifies criminals by giving them airtime and is disrespectful to victims.

I totally agree. RTE should be ashamed of themselves.