Backlash for RTE for Gilligan invite.

gramar

Rte is taking a bit of flack for inviting John Gilligan on as a guest. Understandable as the fella is an out and out murdering prick. Not a bad way to spice up the show though. Can a show that has become dull and sterile be blamed for trying to get a bit of it's edge back and for once not rely on the Rte canteen to fill it's guest slots?

Oops69

Even if they did invite him on , Tubridy would inevitably fcuk up the interview .

Tristrams Shandied

It glorifies criminals by giving them airtime and is disrespectful to victims.

Delacent

gramar wrote: »

Rte is taking a bit of flack for inviting John Gilligan on as a guest. Understandable as the fella is an out and out murdering prick. Not a bad way to spice up the show though. Can a show that has become dull and sterile be blamed for trying to get a bit of it's edge back and for once not rely on the Rte canteen to fill it's guest slots?

Not really - the indo has become indignant and is creating total hysteria over what seems to have been just an idea by one researcher.

Beware of believing the utter sh1te that the indo spouts.

ChikiChiki

Making a celebrity out of a scumbag who should not get that platform. Tubridy wouldn't even be able to ask him hard questions that need to be asked for fear of repercussions.

How anyone thinks this is a good idea is beyond me. F**k the ratings, it wouldn't be worth it.

Delacent

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Making a celebrity out of a scumbag who should not get that platform. Tubridy wouldn't even be able to ask him hard questions that need to be asked for fear of repercussions.

How anyone thinks this is a good idea is beyond me. F**k the ratings, it wouldn't be worth it.

Its the sensationalist indo creating a story out of nothing.
The sensationalist indo and sister rags herald and world that give "celebrity" status to the scum.

Sad that so many people don't see the indo for what it is - a sensationalist, hysterical, rag.

OldMrBrennan83

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tomwaterford

Patww79 wrote: »

Didn't even know he was out. When did that happen?

Couple of years ago now....think he got shot through a toilet door aswell!



I don't really see what he has to offer in an interview situation,as he's hardly going to incriminate himself over his role in killing that journalist??


But that being said...curiousity alone...would lead me to watch it

Noddyholder

You think with the attention he received for the Killing of Veronica Guerin , the two assassination attempts on his life, with his minder being killed. his exile to England & then meekly being let back in, he would want to keep his head down, No not Johhnyboy , He thrives publicity & attention, he has a facebook now with all sorts of ramplings on it.

And while I do think him getting 25 years, reduced on appeal for cannabiz smuggling was a bit harsh, Reality of it was that he went down for organising the murder of Veronica Guerin.

A good interviewer would tear him to shreds, have we got one ?

arayess

I wish he did go on the show and I think the late late were spot on asking him.

The late late was always better when they tackled hard issues instead of the continual fluff or Z list social campaigns they trawl out.

It would be interesting to hear his side - he was brought down by rats who were offered an inducement to betray him and others.
Lets not forget the judges in the court didn't believe a lot of the evidence by those in witness protection. So no doubt Gilligan isn't a nice character but the state played dirty also so I'd like to hear the other side of it.

Plus it would make an interesting change to what is in essence a sh1te show.

Mouseslayer17

Just leave the man alone with his sins he did his time,
Its between him and the man upstairs now

Oops69

Patww79 wrote: »

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the first time in the prison showers i'd say , i'd say he was a good little bitch.

Thelomen Toblackai

I don't see the issue. An interview with a very high profile figure like Gilligan would be of huge interest to a lot of people.

There's inevitably going to be those who disagree with him being on TV (vocal minority and all that) but we all know the population would tune in en masse to watch the interview.

So you can't really say it's not something a public broadcaster should be doing when it's clearly something the general population have so much interest in seeing.

Winterlong

"So John, you are a real family man - tell us about that".

Nah, Turbidy would mess it up and I would not feed Gilligan's hunger for publicity.

TallGlass

He'll be writing books next. I'd say the Garda haves headache looking after him at this stage.

Oops69

Turbid would ask him about his equestrian centre and interest in horses and finish with fake interest in 'The DUBS ' football team and forget the elephant in the room , in between a load of toothy guffaws and giggles , he's such an amateur.

Dirty Dingus McGee

This doesn't glorify criminals.Everyone knows he's a scumbag, if anything it might let people see him for the little creep he is.

How is him appearing on the Late Late Show any worse than the continuous article about him and other similar scumbags in the newspapers.Do they not glorify criminals as well are they not disrespectful to the victims.

Noddyholder

arayess wrote: »

I wish he did go on the show and I think the late late were spot on asking him.

The late late was always better when they tackled hard issues instead of the continual fluff or Z list social campaigns they trawl out.

It would be interesting to hear his side - he was brought down by rats who were offered an inducement to betray him and others.
Lets not forget the judges in the court didn't believe a lot of the evidence by those in witness protection. So no doubt Gilligan isn't a nice character but the state played dirty also so I'd like to hear the other side of it.

Plus it would make an interesting change to what is in essence a sh1te show.

Thelomen Toblackai wrote: »

I don't see the issue. An interview with a very high profile figure like Gilligan would be of huge interest to a lot of people.

There's inevitably going to be those who disagree with him being on TV (vocal minority and all that) but we all know the population would tune in en masse to watch the interview.

So you can't really say it's not something a public broadcaster should be doing when it's clearly something the general population have so much interest in seeing.

Yea good points there.

Phoebas

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

This doesn't glorify criminals.Everyone knows he's a scumbag, if anything it might let people see him for the little creep he is.

We already know.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Phoebas wrote: »

We already know.

Give them a real close up look at him though.

Tristrams Shandied

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

This doesn't glorify criminals.Everyone knows he's a scumbag, if anything it might let people see him for the little creep he is.

How is him appearing on the Late Late Show any worse than the continuous article about him and other similar scumbags in the newspapers.Do they not glorify criminals as well are they not disrespectful to the victims.

Newspapers mostly report on criminal activity. Interviewing someone like Gilligan on a mainstream tv programme allows him the opportunity to have a voice. A lot of victims of crime never get that opportunity.

Noddyholder

They had Michael stone on a few years ago, he of the miltown masscare ...https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiOwYD8tZnSAhXrJcAKHT_ICDMQFggZMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMichael_Stone_(loyalist)&usg=AFQjCNHX4skFsd9hpn3ByKqPscJVv2Y-ow

Link to his late late appearance

https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiR29Kxt5nSAhXsAMAKHfm9C5kQFggbMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fopinion%2Fletters%2Fstone-on-the-late-late-show-1.360414&usg=AFQjCNG9nqU3jLZBWarlY87zSrxgsh-uyg

Phoebas

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Give them a real close up look at him though.

Giving him a platform is a lose-lose.

If Tubridy lays into him, he can claim it was a one sided hatchet job.
If Tubridy gives him space, we all know how that'll go - minimise his crimes, blame his 'deprived' upbringing.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Phoebas wrote: »

Giving him a platform is a lose-lose.

If Tubridy lays into him, he can claim it was a one sided hatchet job.
If Tubridy gives him space, we all know how that'll go - minimise his crimes, blame his 'deprived' upbringing.

But nobody is going to feel any sympathy for him.So it will make no difference.

_Brian

Tristrams Shandied wrote: »

It glorifies criminals by giving them airtime and is disrespectful to victims.

This a thousand times over, on a time when we should be turning our backs on these scumbags there's our public money going to glorify his like, and I bet he's getting an appearance fee too.

They should have family members of everyone he was involved in killing and injuring on the panel with him - and give them sticks !

Noddyholder

Phoebas wrote: »

Giving him a platform is a lose-lose.

If Tubridy lays into him, he can claim it was a one sided hatchet job.
If Tubridy gives him space, we all know how that'll go - minimise his crimes, blame his 'deprived' upbringing.

In fairness reading his Facebook page he is not going on about his upbringing, he does state that he worked and payed taxs for a lot of his life as he worked on B&I shipping ?? He is rambling on about how is conviction & sentence was wrong and that the state stitched him up.

Banana Republican

He'll not be that far from him customer base in Montrose tbh. Sniff sniff.

Dirty Dingus McGee

_Brian wrote: »

This a thousand times over, on a time when we should be turning our backs on these scumbags there's our public money going to glorify his like, and I bet he's getting an appearance fee too.

They should have family members of everyone he was involved in killing and injuring on the panel with him - and give them sticks !

In fairness I don't think they are planning to have a tribute show for him.

infogiver

Delacent wrote: »

Its the sensationalist indo creating a story out of nothing.
The sensationalist indo and sister rags herald and world that give "celebrity" status to the scum.

Sad that so many people don't see the indo for what it is - a sensationalist, hysterical, rag.

But where is the entertainment value in presenting us with this kind of pond-life as a guest?

Noddyholder

_Brian wrote: »

This a thousand times over, on a time when we should be turning our backs on these scumbags there's our public money going to glorify his like, and I bet he's getting an appearance fee too.

They should have family members of everyone he was involved in killing and injuring on the panel with him - and give them sticks !

The only person I know & heard of that he was involved in killing was VG , and he was cleared of that by our courts.

Dirty Dingus McGee

infogiver wrote: »

But where is the entertainment value in presenting us with this kind of pond-life as a guest?

Because it will almost certainly get massive viewership. That's all TV shows care about.

mikeoneilly

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Give them a real close up look at him though.

Or give him the opportunity to shape our opinion of him..

It's a bad idea imo

Dirty Dingus McGee

mikeoneilly wrote: »

Or give him the opportunity to shape our opinion of him..

It's a bad idea imo

Get a good interviewer (bring back Pat Kenny perhaps) and he'd tear him to shreds.

I don't think there is anything he could do to get anyone to feel any sympathy for him.Might actually make him look a hell of a lot worse (if that's possible) by trying to justify what he has done.

mickmac76

Giving air time to criminals like John Gilligan is just plain wrong. I'd be much more interested in an interview with some of the victims of his crimes. Besides Tubridy is woeful and will say nothing to him.

infogiver

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Because it will almost certainly get massive viewership. That's all TV shows care about.

Public executions would get massive viewership, that doesn't mean that broadcasting them is the right thing to do.
This is the worst type of car crash TV, glorifying a murdering cowardly bully and giving the impression to the young pretenders that you can live the life that he chose to live and still end up being given celebrity recognition on a celebrity talk show. I hope the researcher is fired and never works in the media again.

Omackeral

infogiver wrote: »

Public executions would get massive viewership, that doesn't mean that broadcasting them is the right thing to do.
This is the worst type of car crash TV, glorifying a murdering cowardly bully and giving the impression to the young pretenders that you can live the life that he chose to live and still end up being given celebrity recognition on a celebrity talk show. I hope the researcher is fired and never works in the media again.

Keep hoping. It won't happen. It'll be a massive ratings draw and I'm sure half the people on here bemoaning it will be among those watching.

infogiver

Omackeral wrote: »

Keep hoping. It won't happen. It'll be a massive ratings draw and I'm sure half the people on here bemoaning it will be among those watching.

Not me. I have no idea why anyone wants to hear the musings of an illiterate psycho.
It makes me sad to think that anyone actually does.
When you think about him even beating the **** out of V Guerin the day she went out to his house, and how many others did he beat the crap out of, and much worse, and some jobsworth at RTÉ thinks he'd make a good guest?
Anyone who sits down to watch him, and doesn't change channels and make a complaint to RTE is a toe rag themselves IMO.

Yamanoto

They should invite him on to Today with Daithi & Maire - Little John's horoscope corner or an outside broadcast slot called Gilligan's island.

Noddyholder

infogiver wrote: »

Not me. I have no idea why anyone wants to hear the musings of an illiterate psycho.
It makes me sad to think that anyone actually does.
When you think about him even beating the **** out of V Guerin the day she went out to his house, and how many others did he beat the crap out of, and much worse, and some jobsworth at RTÉ thinks he'd make a good guest?
Anyone who sits down to watch him, and doesn't change channels and make a complaint to RTE is a toe rag themselves IMO.

How do you figure that out ?? So if you look at someone on TV who you despise Your as bad as them or in your words a tow rag, I take it you don't watch TV at all so.

A Little Pony

Gerry Adams and Mcguinness appeared on the Late Late show, so why not this guy?

infogiver

Noddyholder wrote: »

How do you figure that out ?? So if you look at someone on TV who you despise Your as bad as them or in your words a tow rag, I take it you don't watch TV at all so.

If you sit there watching and listening and don't think it's entirely inappropriate to give air time to someone who has murdered and terrorised and cost the Irish tax payer millions of €s then you must be a toss pot yourself. Simples.

Omackeral

infogiver wrote: »

Not me. I have no idea why anyone wants to hear the musings of an illiterate psycho.
It makes me sad to think that anyone actually does.
When you think about him even beating the **** out of V Guerin the day she went out to his house, and how many others did he beat the crap out of, and much worse, and some jobsworth at RTÉ thinks he'd make a good guest?
Anyone who sits down to watch him,and doesn't change channels and make a complaint to RTE is a toe rag themselves IMO.

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Noddyholder

A Little Pony wrote: »

Gerry Adams and Mcguinness appeared on the Late Late show, so why not this guy?

Ah now no matter what you think of there actions,they were involved in a conflict in a very influential way and both are/were elected by the people to represent them.

What did you think of Michael stone on it & do you think JG should be on it ?

Omackeral

Hope you never watched Goodfellas infogiver. Or Zodiac. Or any other movie/programme/documentary that featured a criminal.

A Little Pony

Noddyholder wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Gerry Adams and Mcguinness appeared on the Late Late show, so why not this guy?

Ah now no matter what you think of there actions,they were involved in a conflict in a very influential way and both are/were elected by the people to represent them.

What did you think of Michael stone on it & do you think JG should be on it ?

Michael Stone was on the late late show? Killing people is killing people, no other way to put it. And besides, it makes it interesting. Controversial topics and lunatics is what makes great television. You watch to be informed and entertained surely?

infogiver

A Little Pony wrote: »

Gerry Adams and Mcguinness appeared on the Late Late show, so why not this guy?

Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness are democratically elected public representatives.
Whatever my own public opinion of them,enough citizens approve of them to have appointed them to public office.
Gilligan is universally held in total contempt. He has dragged his "case" through every possible court in the country and been found to have no grounds for complaint whatsoever.
Why do we have to give him further opportunity to peddle his lies on the national broadcaster?

Noddyholder

infogiver wrote: »

If you sit there watching and listening and don't think it's entirely inappropriate to give air time to someone who has murdered and terrorised and cost the Irish tax payer millions of €s then you must be a toss pot yourself. Simples.

simples is you lad, there are lots of people on TV who i don't agree with and might even despise, but yes I will listen to them & here what they have to say.

Omackeral

infogiver wrote: »

If you sit there watching and listening and don't think it's entirely inappropriate to give air time to someone who has murdered and terrorised and cost the Irish tax payer millions of €s then you must be a toss pot yourself. Simples.

Conversely, if you say 'simples' you must be a tosspot.

Banana Republican

A Little Pony wrote: »

Gerry Adams and Mcguinness appeared on the Late Late show, so why not this guy?

3/10. Must try harder.

infogiver

Omackeral wrote: »

Hope you never watched Goodfellas infogiver. Or Zodiac. Or any other movie/programme/documentary that featured a criminal.

Goodfellas is a fictional film omackeral. When your watching Goodfellas you know (or at least you should know) that these are characters who don't exist.
Do you realise that Gilligan beat up and murdered a real person? A person who had a husband and a child and real family and friends who loved her?
How will they feel if he is allowed to come on TV now 20 years later?

James Bond Junior

infogiver wrote: »

Goodfellas is a fictional film omackeral. When your watching Goodfellas you know (or at least you should know) that these are characters who don't exist.
Do you realise that Gilligan beat up and murdered a real person? A person who had a husband and a child and real family and friends who loved her?
How will they feel if he is allowed to come on TV now 20 years later?

Goodfellas was based in the true story of mobster Henry hill.