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Backlash for RTE for Gilligan invite.

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Rte is taking a bit of flack for inviting John Gilligan on as a guest. Understandable as the fella is an out and out murdering prick. Not a bad way to spice up the show though. Can a show that has become dull and sterile be blamed for trying to get a bit of it's edge back and for once not rely on the Rte canteen to fill it's guest slots?

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lightspeed

People saying they are right to invite him as its something people would be interested to watch are just as disgusting the low lifes that associate with such scum.

Why not have other criminal low lifes that have caught headlines in recent years?

How bout the serial rapist Larry Murphy?

People with be all over facebook and the like and ratings would go through the roof.

After all, we pay our tv license to fund RTE programming.

We pay taxes to pay gardai, judges, prison services etc to fund criminals, of course i want to pay my tv license so we can celebrate the murderers and drug dealers responsible for the above.

Such entertainment, Its really value for money isnt it? FFS :mad:

Noddyholder

CalamariFritti wrote: »

To see someone who ordered someone else's murder or murdered themselves, to see someone out and living a normal life just feels wrong. Feels sick really.

I know he 'did his time', but really? He ended someone else's life. That person will not have the opportunity to come back after being murdered for 10 years or 15 or whatever. That person is gone. Forever. Dead. No more. Because of him.

I know the world isn't black and white and sometimes people get killed and there was an element of accident to it. Not in this case tho. Should a person like that be allowed to walk amongst us again when his victims will not ever have that chance?

I don't know the answer to that, but I know how I feel in my heart about it.

Should he be getting an audience? Hell no, he definitely shouldn't.

Going against the grain here, You do know he was found not guilty of VG murder and was convicted of solely importing Cannabis, A drug which nowadays is being called to be legalised.

He is a **** of a man & I wouldent think he get a good time on Tv at all.
Wonder who be in the green room with him ?

Yamanoto

Noddyholder wrote: »

Well I not sure about the viewers, but certainly by the main stream media and even the host Gay byrne who would not shake his hand before or after the show, and it all backfired badly as it made GA look like the good person & the rest like ignorant gob****es.

I did say he would have been considered a pariah by a great many viewers (as opposed to all viewers) & I think that's a fair assessment of the public perception of the man at that point in time. Gaybo's decision not to shake his hand was ill judged and self indulgent. If you invite someone on as a guest, they should be met with the same courtesy as anyone else.

CalamariFritti

To see someone who ordered someone else's murder or murdered themselves, to see someone out and living a normal life just feels wrong. Feels sick really.

I know he 'did his time', but really? He ended someone else's life. That person will not have the opportunity to come back after being murdered for 10 years or 15 or whatever. That person is gone. Forever. Dead. No more. Because of him.

I know the world isn't black and white and sometimes people get killed and there was an element of accident to it. Not in this case tho. Should a person like that be allowed to walk amongst us again when his victims will not ever have that chance?

I don't know the answer to that, but I know how I feel in my heart about it.

Should he be getting an audience? Hell no, he definitely shouldn't.

James Bond Junior

infogiver wrote: »

So you don't think there's any difference between a fictional representation of historic criminal activities and bringing John Gilligan on the LLS?

I simply gave you the info that that movie is based on a true story. Back off.

Noddyholder

mikeoneilly wrote: »

I agree

I can barely recall but didn't Michael Stone do quite well on the LLS?

Part of his slot was spent discussing his talent as an artist.

His artist job didn't work out very well as he now locked back up doing life for attempted murder of GA & MmcG, Still there & now forgotten about.

Noddyholder

infogiver wrote: »

Gilligan murdered Guerin in 1996. Her close immediate family colleagues and friends and the many thousands of people affected by his drug dealing are alive and well and living in Ireland.
So what is your point?

My point is you calling everyone that would look at some one on TV that they despise a tow rag is a nonsense, trying to back track on that now.

"Anyone who sits down to watch him, and doesn't change channels and make a complaint to RTE is a toe rag themselves IMO".

mikeoneilly

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Inviting criminals on to normalise their actions is the risk - there are plenty of gullible fools slumped in front of the LLS every week.

I agree

I can barely recall but didn't Michael Stone do quite well on the LLS?

Part of his slot was spent discussing his talent as an artist.

Harry Palmr

Yamanoto wrote: »

Adams wasn't an elected public representative in this jurisdiction when he first appeared on the LLS. He too would have been considered an absolute pariah by a great many viewers at the time.

Adams was on the LLS (Oct 1994) in the context of the Hume-Adams talks being made public in 1993, the Downing Street Declaration December 1993 and the developments towards the Belfast Agreement so there was a current affairs logic to having him on - Gilligan on the other hand is nothing more than a preening, self absorbed ex con.

infogiver

Noddyholder wrote: »

It is a film adaptation of the 1986 non-fiction book Wiseguy by Nicholas Pileggi, who co-wrote the screenplay with Scorsese. The film narrates the rise and fall of mob associate Henry Hill (the first-person narrator in the film) and his friends over a period from 1955 to 1980.

Gilligan murdered Guerin in 1996. Her close immediate family colleagues and friends and the many thousands of people affected by his drug dealing are alive and well and living in Ireland.
So what is your point?

Noddyholder

Yamanoto wrote: »

Adams wasn't an elected public representative in this jurisdiction when he first appeared on the LLS. He too would have been considered an absolute pariah by a great many viewers at the time.

Well I not sure about the viewers, but certainly by the main stream media and even the host Gay byrne who would not shake his hand before or after the show, and it all backfired badly as it made GA look like the good person & the rest like ignorant gob****es.

[Deleted User]

infogiver wrote: »

So you don't think there's any difference between a fictional representation of historic criminal activities and bringing John Gilligan on the LLS?

Actual serial killers have been interviewed too. It gives an insight into how their mind works. Why be so close minded? Yes he's a scum bag, but there's a chance it could be interesting. True crime is a massive genre is motion picture and literature. Not everyone who consumes it or is interested in it is a slack jawed yokel or a scum bag.

Noddyholder

infogiver wrote: »

So you don't think Gilligan has already had his say? And you think it's appropriate that a cowardly woman beater and murderer be presented as entertainment when family, including the son he left motherless, and friends of the woman he murdered and beat up are still trying to deal with the loss of her?

What are you trying to twist words for ? Your the one calling anyone who would look at it a towrag, And yet you think goodfellas is fiction, suppose you think casino is fiction to ?

[Deleted User]

infogiver wrote: »

Goodfellas is a fictional film omackeral. When your watching Goodfellas you know (or at least you should know) that these are characters who don't exist.

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Goodfellas was based in the true story of mobster Henry hill.

My favourite bit is the bolded portion. Your username is a misnomer.

Noddyholder

infogiver wrote: »

Goodfellas is a fictional film omackeral. When your watching Goodfellas you know (or at least you should know) that these are characters who don't exist.

It is a film adaptation of the 1986 non-fiction book Wiseguy by Nicholas Pileggi, who co-wrote the screenplay with Scorsese. The film narrates the rise and fall of mob associate Henry Hill (the first-person narrator in the film) and his friends over a period from 1955 to 1980.

[Deleted User]

infogiver wrote: »

Anyone who sits down to watch him, and doesn't change channels and make a complaint to RTE is a toe rag themselves IMO.

Anyone who makes a complaint to RTE is a loon.

Yamanoto

infogiver wrote: »

Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness are democratically elected public representatives.

Adams wasn't an elected public representative in this jurisdiction when he first appeared on the LLS. He too would have been considered an absolute pariah by a great many viewers at the time.

Harry Palmr

Inviting criminals on to normalise their actions is the risk - there are plenty of gullible fools slumped in front of the LLS every week.

infogiver

James Bond Junior wrote: »

Goodfellas was based in the true story of mobster Henry hill.

So you don't think there's any difference between a fictional representation of historic criminal activities and bringing John Gilligan on the LLS?

infogiver

Noddyholder wrote: »

simples is you lad, there are lots of people on TV who i don't agree with and might even despise, but yes I will listen to them & here what they have to say.

So you don't think Gilligan has already had his say? And you think it's appropriate that a cowardly woman beater and murderer be presented as entertainment when family, including the son he left motherless, and friends of the woman he murdered and beat up are still trying to deal with the loss of her?

James Bond Junior

infogiver wrote: »

Goodfellas is a fictional film omackeral. When your watching Goodfellas you know (or at least you should know) that these are characters who don't exist.
Do you realise that Gilligan beat up and murdered a real person? A person who had a husband and a child and real family and friends who loved her?
How will they feel if he is allowed to come on TV now 20 years later?

Goodfellas was based in the true story of mobster Henry hill.

infogiver

Omackeral wrote: »

Hope you never watched Goodfellas infogiver. Or Zodiac. Or any other movie/programme/documentary that featured a criminal.

Goodfellas is a fictional film omackeral. When your watching Goodfellas you know (or at least you should know) that these are characters who don't exist.
Do you realise that Gilligan beat up and murdered a real person? A person who had a husband and a child and real family and friends who loved her?
How will they feel if he is allowed to come on TV now 20 years later?

Banana Republican

A Little Pony wrote: »

Gerry Adams and Mcguinness appeared on the Late Late show, so why not this guy?

3/10. Must try harder.

[Deleted User]

infogiver wrote: »

If you sit there watching and listening and don't think it's entirely inappropriate to give air time to someone who has murdered and terrorised and cost the Irish tax payer millions of €s then you must be a toss pot yourself. Simples.

Conversely, if you say 'simples' you must be a tosspot.

Noddyholder

infogiver wrote: »

If you sit there watching and listening and don't think it's entirely inappropriate to give air time to someone who has murdered and terrorised and cost the Irish tax payer millions of €s then you must be a toss pot yourself. Simples.

simples is you lad, there are lots of people on TV who i don't agree with and might even despise, but yes I will listen to them & here what they have to say.

infogiver

A Little Pony wrote: »

Gerry Adams and Mcguinness appeared on the Late Late show, so why not this guy?

Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness are democratically elected public representatives.
Whatever my own public opinion of them,enough citizens approve of them to have appointed them to public office.
Gilligan is universally held in total contempt. He has dragged his "case" through every possible court in the country and been found to have no grounds for complaint whatsoever.
Why do we have to give him further opportunity to peddle his lies on the national broadcaster?

A Little Pony

Noddyholder wrote: »

A Little Pony wrote: »

Gerry Adams and Mcguinness appeared on the Late Late show, so why not this guy?

Ah now no matter what you think of there actions,they were involved in a conflict in a very influential way and both are/were elected by the people to represent them.

What did you think of Michael stone on it & do you think JG should be on it ?

Michael Stone was on the late late show? Killing people is killing people, no other way to put it. And besides, it makes it interesting. Controversial topics and lunatics is what makes great television. You watch to be informed and entertained surely?

[Deleted User]

Hope you never watched Goodfellas infogiver. Or Zodiac. Or any other movie/programme/documentary that featured a criminal.

Noddyholder

A Little Pony wrote: »

Gerry Adams and Mcguinness appeared on the Late Late show, so why not this guy?

Ah now no matter what you think of there actions,they were involved in a conflict in a very influential way and both are/were elected by the people to represent them.

What did you think of Michael stone on it & do you think JG should be on it ?

[Deleted User]

infogiver wrote: »

Not me. I have no idea why anyone wants to hear the musings of an illiterate psycho.
It makes me sad to think that anyone actually does.
When you think about him even beating the **** out of V Guerin the day she went out to his house, and how many others did he beat the crap out of, and much worse, and some jobsworth at RTÉ thinks he'd make a good guest?
Anyone who sits down to watch him,and doesn't change channels and make a complaint to RTE is a toe rag themselves IMO.

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