VW emissions software update - disaster

Miike

colm_mcm wrote: »

Diesel powered ship.

It's even worse than that. Bunker fuel is like bitumen. It's substantially worse than diesel

DaveyDave

kbannon wrote: »

Ha ha ha ha

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/greenpeace-boards-ship-in-england-in-bid-to-stop-delivery-of-vw-cars-1.3229333?mode=amp

"Diesel cars are toxic - so we’re here to block VW imports on behalf of all of the children who are the most acutely affected by the health impacts"

I'm glad two of them were there to block this, now they'll have to pack up, go home and destroy the cars! Jesus Christ, apart from delaying them a little, it will be business as usual. Are these guys stupid or what? So they have a sign and a few people notice them, it's hardly going to make anyone change their mind...

grogi

DaveyDave wrote: »

"Diesel cars are toxic - so we’re here to block VW imports on behalf of all of the children who are the most acutely affected by the health impacts"

I'm glad two of them were there to block this, now they'll have to pack up, go home and destroy the cars! Jesus Christ, apart from delaying them a little, it will be business as usual. Are these guys stupid or what? So they have a sign and a few people notice them, it's hardly going to make anyone change their mind...

They are not stupid. It IS mainly about being noticed.

Atlantic Dawn

Additional ha ha ha ha...

UP to 75,000 second-hand 'dirty' diesel and petrol imports a year should be banned by the Government to cut emissions - and prevent the country becoming a dumping ground for unwanted UK cars.

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/call-for-ban-on-75000-dirty-imports-a-year-36149156.html

colm_mcm

They're not unwanted if we want them

grogi

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Additional ha ha ha ha...



http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-news/call-for-ban-on-75000-dirty-imports-a-year-36149156.html

And that's why VRT for diesels should still be based on CO2, but rates increased, while VRT for petrols should remain the same.

jelutong

Good to see that the Motor Industry has the welfare of the people uppermost in their minds.

gctest50

colm_mcm wrote: »

Diesel powered ship.

Ship engines can be the most efficient

and you can't really compare something like a wartsila triple-fuel to a td-ladyboy ( little diesel trying to be a petrol )

http://bit.ly/2wEOHGy

The engine can be run on either natural gas, light fuel oil (LFO), or heavy fuel oil (HFO), and can smoothly switch between fuels whilst operating. It is designed to provide the same output regardless of the fuel.

joeysoap

Next move is to stop anyone selling their (pre sept 15) cars.

And garages not taking them as trade-ins.;)

abdc1243

Is it environmentally unfriendly to decline the VW emissions software update?

pablo128

abdc1243 wrote: »

Is it environmentally unfriendly to decline the VW emissions software update?

Well if you gave a stuff about the environment, you wouldn't have bought a diesel in the first place.

I wouldn't feel guilty myself.

Seth Brundle

pablo128 wrote: »

Well if you gave a stuff about the environment, you wouldn't have bought a diesel in the first place.

I wouldn't feel guilty myself.

Woah there.
It must be good for the environment because it's sudden popularity was pushed in by none other than the green party!

bazz26

Only if you wear a green hat otherwise no. :pac:

pablo128

kbannon wrote: »

Woah there.
It must be good for the environment because it's sudden popularity was pushed in by none other than the green party!

Cheap tax is what the attraction was, Green party or not. And promised 60 mpg too.

Don't get me wrong, I drive a diesel myself. But anyone who says they bought a diesel to save the planet is a born liar.

JoeA3

pablo128 wrote: »

Cheap tax is what the attraction was, Green party or not. And promised 60 mpg too.

Don't get me wrong, I drive a diesel myself. But anyone who says they bought a diesel to save the planet is a born liar.

Cheaper cars too. Cheaper tax also means less VRT and VRT is also applied to factory options. (the same Met paint is cheaper on a diesel Golf than an R!)

Seth Brundle

pablo128 wrote: »

Cheap tax is what the attraction was, Green party or not. And promised 60 mpg too.

Don't get me wrong, I drive a diesel myself. But anyone who says they bought a diesel to save the planet is a born liar.

I should have used a sarcssm smiley there.
No car is good for the planet but it didnt stop the greens pushing the whole diesel is better claptrap based on a misguided view of what's best for us.

Casati

pablo128 wrote: »

Cheap tax is what the attraction was, Green party or not. And promised 60 mpg too.

Don't get me wrong, I drive a diesel myself. But anyone who says they bought a diesel to save the planet is a born liar.

Although it's popular to talk about how dirty diesels are now, the facts are they produce less greenhouses gases than most equivalent petrols. CO2 reduction has been seen with diesel take up

Ultimately every car produced is bad for the environment and people should try to reduce unnecessary journeys and ideally work closer to their jobs, the commuters driving 50,000km p.a in their Leaf's are not saving the planet.

zilog_jones

Casati wrote: »

Although it's popular to talk about how dirty diesels are now, the facts are they produce less greenhouses gases than most equivalent petrols. CO2 reduction has been seen with diesel take up

Ultimately every car produced is bad for the environment and people should try to reduce unnecessary journeys and ideally work closer to their jobs, the commuters driving 50,000km p.a in their Leaf's are not saving the planet.

The problem with diesels is about local pollution from NOx and particulates, which has a direct impact on the health of humans and other life. By driving an EV you're moving your emissions out of populated areas, and emissions from large-scale facilities like power stations can be treated much more effectively than individual passenger cars. And you'd still be emitting less CO2 compared to an ICE vehicle (even taking into account power transmission loss, etc.).

Casati

zilog_jones wrote: »

The problem with diesels is about local pollution from NOx and particulates, which has a direct impact on the health of humans and other life. By driving an EV you're moving your emissions out of populated areas, and emissions from large-scale facilities like power stations can be treated much more effectively than individual passenger cars. And you'd still be emitting less CO2 compared to an ICE vehicle (even taking into account power transmission loss, etc.).[/quote

Ultimately my point is about reducing consumption rather than focusing on the fuel source

abdc1243

Let me re-phrase my question - by declining the software emissions upgrade, will I emit more NOX and particulates?

Toyotafanboi

abdc1243 wrote: »

Let me re-phrase my question - by declining the software emissions upgrade, will I emit more NOX and particulates?

By not doing the update you will emit as much as your car always did.

If you get the update done you will emit marginally less.

jcd5971

Toyotafanboi wrote:

By not doing the update you will emit as much as your car always did.

Toyotafanboi wrote:

If you get the update done you will emit marginally less.

And quite possibly **** your engine.

Honestly I can never see myself buying a Volkswagen again.

My egr went, replaced 400 euro
They also applied the update.

3 weeks later dash is lit like Xmas tree. Turns out dpf filter has blocker up and the pressure blew out both the turbo and the new egr .

So had to get new dpf new turbo new egr (after 3 weeks).

The expense was huge.

Toyotafanboi

jcd5971 wrote: »

The expense was huge.

But there was no cost incurred by you?

bladespin

Toyotafanboi wrote:

But there was no cost incurred by you?

Even if repairs were warranty the time and hassle have a cost attached.

Toyotafanboi

bladespin wrote: »

Even if repairs were warranty the time and hassle have a cost attached.

Yeah, I totally agree, the inconvenience of an unexpected breakdown can be huge and is never good, at the same those cars were prone to those failures before the update anyway though, so really the owners are potentially in for that inconvenience anyway, at least with the update they can get it fixed for free.

Let's just not go saying "the expense was huge" in a tone as if to suggest VW made the owner pay.

la ultima guagua

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

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Let's just not go saying "the expense was huge" in a tone as if to suggest VW made the owner pay.

Dunno, what of the resale value of all of this VAG product ?

Seth Brundle

la ultima guagua wrote: »

Dunno, what of the resale value of all of this VAG product ?

Have resale prices here been affected? I reckon that most people don't care about VW lies at this stage.

Toyotafanboi

la ultima guagua wrote: »

Dunno, what of the resale value of all of this VAG product ?

That's not what the post I quoted was referring to, they were talking about post update repair costs.

I don't think resale value in Ireland has been tainted, according to beep beep, VW is the top selling brand in Ireland this year and was the second best selling brand in Ireland last year.

In other markets, particularly the US, the values have taken a hit but locally they are as strong if not stronger than ever.

la ultima guagua

kbannon wrote: »

Have resale prices here been affected? I reckon that most people don't care about VW lies at this stage.

This topic alone might merit a thread with a pole.

I'd do it myself if I wasnt sure to screw it up

gctest50

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

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In other markets, particularly the US, the values have taken a hit but locally they are as strong if not stronger than ever.

They had the buy-back in the US :

When the company offered to take the car back, Sarchiapone said she agreed and received $2,000 cash plus forgiveness for the $18,000 she owed on the car.

she was saved - praise be ...

But she used her settlement check to buy a 1998 Volkswagen GTI outright.

http://bsun.md/2xmQwsk