VW emissions software update - disaster

Mf310 · 08-08-2017 09:21PM

Thanks lads yeah it was over one trip and I might have had a bit too heavy right foot I'll see how I get on over the next few days
Also there is 17 inch alloys on the car would the extra inch make much difference? I see 18 inch alloys on lots of 1.6 tdi golf's on donedeal so I don't know

4068ac1elhodqr · 08-08-2017 09:29PM

Japanese carmaker Mazda says from 2019 it will sell cars fitted with engines that 'largely eliminate need for spark plugs', improving fuel consumption by 30%. The engine will be called 'Skyactiv-X', fancy.

They're also partnering with Toyota to build an electrics $1.6bn assembly plant. Could be, that the days of Diesel will be over sooner than thought.

colm_mcm · 08-08-2017 11:26PM

Mazda are great for ideas alright.

grogi · 09-08-2017 06:11AM

Rocky Zealous Reaper wrote: »

Japanese carmaker Mazda says from 2019 it will sell cars fitted with engines that 'largely eliminate need for spark plugs', improving fuel consumption by 30%. The engine will be called 'Skyactiv-X', fancy..

Just to make it clear: HCCI still comes with sparks, but they are not used at certain load...

grogi · 09-08-2017 06:11AM

colm_mcm wrote: »

Mazda are great for ideas alright.

That's a very old idea, but many tried and many failed before...

gctest50 · 09-08-2017 07:04AM

Any day now they'll be offering the 10,000 euro discount here :

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40860960

Volkswagen is offering customers in Germany discounts of up to 10,000 euros (£9,000) if they trade in their old diesel vehicles and buy a new car.

The former head of the comedy engineering department has pleaded guilty :

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40829900

A former Volkswagen executive has pleaded guilty for his role in the German automaker's scheme to cheat US emissions requirements for diesel cars.

Oliver Schmidt, a former head of VW's engineering and environmental office in the US, admitted to participating in an attempted cover-up after regulators raised questions the "defeat devices".

If they spent the $25 billion the first day they'd have a fine engine

The scandal has cost Volkswagen as much as $25bn.

KCross · 09-08-2017 09:13AM

gctest50 wrote: »

Any day now they'll be offering the 10,000 euro discount here :

As long as "we" continue to make them the number 1 seller in the country they have no incentive to do anything other than continue as they are.

joeysoap · 09-08-2017 11:50AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40860960

Volkswagen is offering customers in Germany discounts of up to 10,000 euros (£9,000) if they trade in their old diesel vehicles and buy a new car.

VW Up to= Ryanair from?

grogi · 09-08-2017 11:59AM

joeysoap wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40860960

Volkswagen is offering customers in Germany discounts of up to 10,000 euros (£9,000) if they trade in their old diesel vehicles and buy a new car.

VW Up to= Ryanair from?

It seems to me is not discount per se. It is a scrapage deal with high allowance - because the cars they want people to give back are generally much newer.

Neilw · 09-08-2017 01:01PM

It says a lot when the vw group hold over 20% of all car sales, dieselgate doesn't seem to bother buyers.

Toyotafanboi · 09-08-2017 01:03PM

I'd love to know their % of petrol vs diesel sales this year compared to say 5 years ago. It looks like they've had a big shift towards petrol for some reason :pac:

grogi · 09-08-2017 01:07PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I'd love to know their % of petrol vs diesel sales this year compared to say 5 years ago. It looks like they've had a big shift towards petrol for some reason :pac:

In Ireland?! What is the problem?! http://www.beepbeep.ie/stats?sYear%5B%5D=2017&sYear%5B%5D=2012&sRegType=3&sMonth%5B%5D=&sMonth%5B%5D=&sMake%5B%5D=Volkswagen&x=46&y=11

For first seven months (first 2017, than 2012)

petrol: 3603 29.51% / 2269 25.36%
diesel: 8590 70.35% / 6679 74.64%

So in 2012 75% of their sales were diesels. In 2015 it was 72.3%. 2016 71.2%... This year it is only 70%

Dieselgate me

KCross · 09-08-2017 01:07PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I'd love to know their % of petrol vs diesel sales this year compared to say 5 years ago. It looks like they've had a big shift towards petrol for some reason :pac:

All publicly available on beepbeep.ie. No change really.... diesel all the way.
http://www.beepbeep.ie/stats/?sYear%5B%5D=2017&sYear%5B%5D=2013&sRegType=3&sMonth%5B%5D=1&sMonth%5B%5D=7&sMake%5B%5D=Volkswagen&x=32&y=10

Red Alert · 09-08-2017 01:10PM

My 2012 Golf which had been flawless until now had the update done in March. I didn't notice anything untoward apart from much more frequent active regeneration cycles (my car usually does two 100km runs each week at high speed). It sat down about 2 weeks ago on the M1, went in to limp mode with the flashing glow-plug light, no information on the MFD.

Injector replaced and the 200 euro bill was covered by VW under the "goodwill" programme related to the so-called fix. I'm now waiting for the next fault to occur on my otherwise-dependable car...

George Dalton · 09-08-2017 01:27PM

You have actually benefitted from the whole emissions saga. VW are so keen to keep people happy that they are covering 100% cost of many failures under goodwill warranty that would not have been covered previously. Those 1.6TDI injectors have always been a bit troublesome and the failure won't have been in any way related to you having the software update done.

Toyotafanboi · 09-08-2017 01:42PM

Don't let that get in the way of a good rant though.

1jcdub · 17-08-2017 11:13AM

Looks like soon VW are going to be offering a pan european update for euro 5 and some euro 6 TDI compliant engines with an additional software update that will cut emissions even further.The companies (VW, BMW, Daimler, Opel) will retrofit models with a software update that will reduce the nitrogen oxide emissions by 25 to 30 percent.
https://amp.carscoops.com/2017/08/vw-opel-mercedes-and-bmw-to-update-25.html

Comhrá · 25-08-2017 07:47PM

They don't mess around with suspended sentences in the US.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-41053740?ocid=socialflow_twitter

road_high · 25-08-2017 10:57PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Don't let that get in the way of a good rant though.

Can we be 100% sure though the updates didn't trigger something to cause the fault? Have had experience with that engine in the past with Egr and dpf issues out of warranty.

Riva10 · 26-08-2017 08:06AM

Rode on my motorcycle behind a 151 C TDi yesterday for a couple of hundred meters and what a hot smell was coming from it. Roads were dry so it was'nt water drying on the exhaust. Something was running very hot.

Toyotafanboi · 26-08-2017 08:15AM

road_high wrote: »

Can we be 100% sure though the updates didn't trigger something to cause the fault?

We can't be.

We do know two things though. That those engines were well known to give injector trouble before any emissions headlines broke and that this guys injector broke only after he had the emissions fix.

It being broken after the emissions fix means two things IMO. That there may have been a weakness in the injector anyway and the software could have tipped it over the edge and we know VW replaced the part that was likely to fail regardless of software status at no cost to the owner which they otherwise wouldn't have.

grogi · 26-08-2017 08:15AM

Riva10 wrote: »

Rode on my motorcycle behind a 151 C TDi yesterday for a couple of hundred meters and what a hot smell was coming from it. Roads were dry so it was'nt water drying on the exhaust. Something was running very hot.

Probably on its DPF active regeneration. During the regeneration the fumes get really reaaaaally hot - if the vehicle is stationary, they can even melt the tarmac...

1jcdub · 02-09-2017 12:49PM

With the recently announced scrappage scheme being introduced. I don't believe it will make a difference to taking high emission cars off the road. My partner has a 08 Octavia rs TDI that I purchased from new. With just over 100k miles t's been reliable and in immaculate condition. In saying that it's had oil changes every 15k Kms or so and it's not had the emission update. It's worth between 7k and 8k as it stands. So why would I accept scrappage of 2-3k on a car worth more.. VW should be offering scrappage PLUS trade-in value if they are serious about removing so called high emission cars.
The scrappage offer is more a pr stunt than anything.

Toyotafanboi · 02-09-2017 03:01PM

An 08 VRS isn't due an emissions fix regardless, so let's not act like you not getting it done has contributed to the cars wellbeing.

In fairness the VRS are nice and hold a bit of a price premium which is fair enough but €8k is certainly at the thick end of its current value.

At the same time, non VRS 08 ish diesel Octavias seem to get advertised for around €4k so to be offered 3k ish scrappage wouldn't be a million miles out tbh. IMO the average punter with an 08 or older Golf/ Octavia looking to buy a new one, a guaranteed offer of €3k ish will be fairly appropriate in a lot of cases.

joeysoap · 02-09-2017 03:16PM

Not surprised your a Toyota fan;

08 Yaris are coming in from 6- 8 k on Carzone. (petrol, not hybrid) I would have thought an Octavia would hold its value a bit better than that?

Toyotafanboi · 02-09-2017 03:29PM

It's not classified information, search Donedeal.

08 Octavia diesel, asking €2750
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-skoda-octavia-1-9-tdi/16391153

08 Octavia VRS diesel, asking €5000
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-octavia-vrs-2-0-tdi/15993364

Seth Brundle · 02-09-2017 03:53PM

1jcdub wrote: »

The scrappage offer is more a pr stunt than anything.

This scrappage scheme is called "EcoGrant".
Scrapping a car in order to get a newer one is as far from eco as you can get.
It's a cheap (to VW) marketing gimmick.

1jcdub · 02-09-2017 05:03PM

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

It's not classified information, search Donedeal.

08 Octavia diesel, asking €2750
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-skoda-octavia-1-9-tdi/16391153

08 Octavia VRS diesel, asking €5000
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2008-octavia-vrs-2-0-tdi/15993364

It's all down to milage condition etc. A few of the people that know our rs are waiting for it to come up for sale and have mentioned offers in the region of 7k. It's all relative to condition etc. It's still on its original brake pads lol and two careful owners

Seth Brundle · 21-09-2017 07:04PM

Ha ha ha ha

Irish Times wrote:

Greenpeace boards ship in England in bid to stop delivery of VW cars
Activists holding thousands of car keys will remain until ship returns to Germany - Greenpeace say

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/greenpeace-boards-ship-in-england-in-bid-to-stop-delivery-of-vw-cars-1.3229333?mode=amp

colm_mcm · 21-09-2017 07:07PM

Diesel powered ship.

VW emissions software update - disaster

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