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Anyone else becoming terrified of Liberals.

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  • #212
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    listermint wrote: »
    I'm white and make and grew up in West Dublin from what many of these so called bloggers would call deprived.

    And I privileged because of my skin or because my parents worked their arse off and I do too.

    Enough of this pony talk because that's all it is .And did you call this hairdresser on it or sit back and go sure yeah your right white privilege yeah them white men in Ireland have it all...

    Are you missing the entire point of the discussion? I, and I presume the others, are not saying white people are privileged here, what we're saying is that other people are increasingly saying so.


  • #213
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    Are you missing the entire point of the discussion? I, and I presume the others, are not saying white people are privileged here, what we're saying is that other people are increasingly saying so.

    And my point is other people are not.

    It's click bait reporters and looper's in SUs who have been coming out with loaded stuff for decades. Nothing new there.

    Anyway this is waaay off topic.


  • #214
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    listermint wrote: »
    And my point is other people are not.

    You've been given evidence of them doing it, but you're waving it away as imaginary!


  • #215
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Many liberals advocated for wars and international chaos. Christopher Hitchens, Tony Blair, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton the list is full of prominent politicians, academics and journalists calling for so called liberal polices be spread across the world.


  • #216
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    You've been given evidence of them doing it, but you're waving it away as imaginary!

    No I haven't you lads claim people are talking about this.they aren't it's a little echo chamber of idiots who have been echo chambering about similar ****e for decades.

    Nothing new man splanning there will be another new topic next month.

    Just because you saw it on Facebook doesn't mean it has any gravitas in daily life.

    So I disagree entirely with your assertion that people in Ireland think white male privilege is a thing.

    Echo

    Chamber


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  • #217
    MightyMandarin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    Many liberals advocated for wars and international chaos. Christopher Hitchens, Tony Blair, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton the list is full of prominent politicians, academics and journalists calling for so called liberal polices be spread across the world.

    And your point is?...

    Many conservatives have done likewise, doesn't mean conservatism is terrible.


  • #218
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #219
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    listermint wrote: »
    Echo

    Chamber

    You asked for something that wasn't social media and were provided with an article from the Irish times with the strong view point that white privilege exists in Ireland, and others gave examples of real life scenarios where they heard those words.


  • #220
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,412 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    You asked for something that wasn't social media and were provided with an article from the Irish times with the strong view point that while privilege exists in Ireland, and others gave examples of real life scenarios where they heard those words.

    I asked .I was given an article by a blogger and an SU.

    I've already addressed both points and the other poster also said their friend was a blogger.

    Il stick to my chamber assertion thank you.


  • #221
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    Yes, because straight white males are the only people doing these things. I guess the women are too busy wanting to be dominated.
    Do you really just love buzzwords so much you can't help but throw them in when they're not at all relevant to the discussion?
    Maybe you should re-read the post I quoted, and then re-read my post. I bet if you tried really really hard you could figure out why I said what I did.

    I bet you'd still pretend not to understand, but then, you can take a horse to water...
    Permabear wrote: »
    Look at the modern US college campus: women in the Women's Center, gays and lesbians in the LGBT Center, African-Americans in the African American Student Center, and so on.
    What's a black lesbian to do? She is clearly pitted against herself.


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  • #222
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #223
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    MightyMandarin wrote: »
    And your point is?...

    Many conservatives have done likewise, doesn't mean conservatism is terrible.

    The point is that liberalism were front and centre leading the charge to war. In particular unnecessary wars and liberals provided much of the ideological groundwork for the war. The notion that the US had an important role of militarily going into conflict zones like during the 90's in Bosnia and Darfur. I would not agree with this license to be the sheriff of the globe. This was pushed by the liberals in the 20th and 21st century.


  • #224
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    The point is that liberalism were front and centre leading the charge to war. In particular unnecessary wars and liberals provided much of the ideological groundwork for the war. The notion that the US had an important role of militarily going into conflict zones like during the 90's in Bosnia and Darfur. I would not agree with this license to be the sheriff of the globe. This was pushed by the liberals in the 20th and 21st century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union

    God damn Commie liberals.


  • #225
    red ears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Most democratic? The person with the fewest votes was elected POTUS. Three million fewer in fact. Another (I was going to say alternative but, you know...) fact is that he got just 26% of the eligible vote.

    That really doesn't matter, Donald played the game as it was designed. He target certain states to help him get the most electoral college votes because that's what was required to win. If popular vote was what mattered he would have used a different strategy. He could have targeted New York, California etc. But he didn't need to.


  • #226
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    KingBrian2 wrote: »
    The point is that liberalism were front and centre leading the charge to war. In particular unnecessary wars and liberals provided much of the ideological groundwork for the war. The notion that the US had an important role of militarily going into conflict zones like during the 90's in Bosnia and Darfur. I would not agree with this license to be the sheriff of the globe. This was pushed by the liberals in the 20th and 21st century.

    So you're sticking by this war mongering liberal theory? The invasion of Iraq was driven by neocons.

    Bill Clinton isn't a liberal. He signed DOMA and gutted banking regulation. What did he actually do that would be considered liberal in a modern context?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #227
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    listermint wrote: »
    Exactly.

    It has no bearing in Ireland . No bearing at all.

    I'm white and make and grew up in West Dublin from what many of these so called bloggers would call deprived.

    And I privileged because of my skin or because my parents worked their arse off and I do too.

    Enough of this pony talk because that's all it is .And did you call this hairdresser on it or sit back and go sure yeah your right white privilege yeah them white men in Ireland have it all...

    I'm in Ireland. I really do think perfectly average ordinary people think white privilege is a thing and that it's a thing that's relevant to Ireland. I believe it's almost a fad and it's seen as the done thing to be onboard with this.

    I did actually disagree with her. I wouldn't say : ''sure yeah your right white privilege yeah them white men in Ireland have it all...'' because I don't think that.


  • #228
    Permabear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


    This post has been deleted.


  • #229
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    Does that mean I'm invited in?

    Ultimately, I think the world would be a better place if we could all debate our political differences in an open and civil way without people assuming that they win automatically because of the color of their skin or who they go to bed with. And yet that's increasingly the situation.

    Does anyone actually think they can win a debate by race or sexual orientation? I really don't think they do. If they do then they're idiots and deserve contempt.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #230
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    Brian? wrote: »
    So you're sticking by this war mongering liberal theory? The invasion of Iraq was driven by neocons.

    Bill Clinton isn't a liberal. He signed DOMA and gutted banking regulation. What did he actually do that would be considered liberal in a modern context?
    A member of the Democratic Party, ideologically Clinton was a New Democrat, and many of his policies reflected a centrist "Third Way" political philosophy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats
    Describing themselves as "centrist", they are an economically liberal and "Third Way" faction which dominated the party for around 20 years


  • #231
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    red ears wrote: »
    That really doesn't matter, Donald played the game as it was designed. He target certain states to help him get the most electoral college votes because that's what was required to win. If popular vote was what mattered he would have used a different strategy. He could have targeted New York, California etc. But he didn't need to.

    Indeed, but that's not really relevant to the point I made which was in response to another post.


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  • #232
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats

    So what did he do that was liberal minded? No liberal would have enacted DOMA.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #233
    Permabear
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    This post has been deleted.


  • #234
    Brian?
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    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.

    I'll get on it. I always enjoy a robust but polite debate.
    I do think such people exist, but I blame the system for protecting them from robust challenge. Learning to articulate and defend your beliefs should be a core part of going to college, and yet all too often today college classes are echo chambers of like-minded opinion. While feminists of the 60s had years of experience debating with men, feminists today genuinely seem to believe that if you preface every sentence with "As a woman..." you win by default.

    I'm not going to argue with you. I've never encountered such people. Not even online. I'd agree that any beliefs worth holding is a belief worth defending. It's strange that anyone wouldn't believe that.

    We're getting on too well lately. I blame Trump.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #235
    MightyMandarin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,723 ✭✭✭MightyMandarin


    AnGaelach wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union

    God damn Commie liberals.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War

    Don't forget these commie liberals either.


  • #236
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,016 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    MightyMandarin wrote: »
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War

    Don't forget these commie liberals either.

    Stop dumping links.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #237
    AnGaelach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭AnGaelach


    Brian? wrote: »
    So what did he do that was liberal minded?

    Taxpayer Relief Act, Violence Against Women Act, Adoption and Safe Families, Financial Services Modernisation, Freedom of Access to Clinics, Child Citizenship...

    A look at the legislation he passed leans more towards socially liberal attitudes than him not being liberal (both socially and economically).
    Brian? wrote: »
    No liberal would have enacted DOMA.

    The Progressive Democrats also opposed gay marriage (preferring civil partnership - effectively giving people the same legal status but without the name "marriage"), that doesn't mean they weren't liberal.


  • #238
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    You made actual points?

    I guess calling people "insufferable ghastly creatures" is what passes for making actual points in alternative-facts land.

    Ah, so no engagement then on the over arching point about how self proclaimed progressive liberals, especially holloywood, are no longer liberals.


  • #239
    HZA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 ✭HZA


    Absolutely, how else are fascists going to be stopped?


  • #240
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    FA Hayek wrote: »
    Ah, so no engagement then on the over arching point about how self proclaimed progressive liberals, especially holloywood, are no longer liberals.

    That was your overarching point? It must have got lost in all the name-calling and butthurt about Hollywood people having the lèse-majesté to be critical of the Dear Leader.


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  • #241
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    That was your overarching point? It must have got lost in all the name-calling and butthurt about Hollywood people having the lèse-majesté to be critical of the Dear Leader.

    The complaint within the US is not that Hollywood is critical of Donald J Trump it is that many conservatives are pressured to agree with the consensus that Trump is a travesty to the Nation and will usher in a fascist dictatorship. Their views are being distorted by the media and the negative traits of Trump are being emphasized over and over again to the point that liberal operators are exploiting the situation and generating fear and hatred across the world not just in America. The liberals have become what the conservatives were like when Pres Obama was in office.


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