listermint wrote: » I'm white and make and grew up in West Dublin from what many of these so called bloggers would call deprived. And I privileged because of my skin or because my parents worked their arse off and I do too. Enough of this pony talk because that's all it is .And did you call this hairdresser on it or sit back and go sure yeah your right white privilege yeah them white men in Ireland have it all...
AnGaelach wrote: » Are you missing the entire point of the discussion? I, and I presume the others, are not saying white people are privileged here, what we're saying is that other people are increasingly saying so.
listermint wrote: » And my point is other people are not.
AnGaelach wrote: » You've been given evidence of them doing it, but you're waving it away as imaginary!
KingBrian2 wrote: » Many liberals advocated for wars and international chaos. Christopher Hitchens, Tony Blair, Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton the list is full of prominent politicians, academics and journalists calling for so called liberal polices be spread across the world.
listermint wrote: » Echo Chamber
Hank Scorpio wrote: » You asked for something that wasn't social media and were provided with an article from the Irish times with the strong view point that while privilege exists in Ireland, and others gave examples of real life scenarios where they heard those words.
AnGaelach wrote: » This post had been deleted.
Do you really just love buzzwords so much you can't help but throw them in when they're not at all relevant to the discussion?
Permabear wrote: » Look at the modern US college campus: women in the Women's Center, gays and lesbians in the LGBT Center, African-Americans in the African American Student Center, and so on.
MightyMandarin wrote: » And your point is?... Many conservatives have done likewise, doesn't mean conservatism is terrible.
KingBrian2 wrote: » The point is that liberalism were front and centre leading the charge to war. In particular unnecessary wars and liberals provided much of the ideological groundwork for the war. The notion that the US had an important role of militarily going into conflict zones like during the 90's in Bosnia and Darfur. I would not agree with this license to be the sheriff of the globe. This was pushed by the liberals in the 20th and 21st century.
Professor Moriarty wrote: » Most democratic? The person with the fewest votes was elected POTUS. Three million fewer in fact. Another (I was going to say alternative but, you know...) fact is that he got just 26% of the eligible vote.
listermint wrote: » Exactly. It has no bearing in Ireland . No bearing at all. I'm white and make and grew up in West Dublin from what many of these so called bloggers would call deprived. And I privileged because of my skin or because my parents worked their arse off and I do too. Enough of this pony talk because that's all it is .And did you call this hairdresser on it or sit back and go sure yeah your right white privilege yeah them white men in Ireland have it all...
Permabear wrote: » This post had been deleted.
Ultimately, I think the world would be a better place if we could all debate our political differences in an open and civil way without people assuming that they win automatically because of the color of their skin or who they go to bed with. And yet that's increasingly the situation.
Brian? wrote: » So you're sticking by this war mongering liberal theory? The invasion of Iraq was driven by neocons.Bill Clinton isn't a liberal. He signed DOMA and gutted banking regulation. What did he actually do that would be considered liberal in a modern context?
A member of the Democratic Party, ideologically Clinton was a New Democrat, and many of his policies reflected a centrist "Third Way" political philosophy.
Describing themselves as "centrist", they are an economically liberal and "Third Way" faction which dominated the party for around 20 years
red ears wrote: » That really doesn't matter, Donald played the game as it was designed. He target certain states to help him get the most electoral college votes because that's what was required to win. If popular vote was what mattered he would have used a different strategy. He could have targeted New York, California etc. But he didn't need to.
AnGaelach wrote: » https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats
I do think such people exist, but I blame the system for protecting them from robust challenge. Learning to articulate and defend your beliefs should be a core part of going to college, and yet all too often today college classes are echo chambers of like-minded opinion. While feminists of the 60s had years of experience debating with men, feminists today genuinely seem to believe that if you preface every sentence with "As a woman..." you win by default.
AnGaelach wrote: » https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_occupations_by_the_Soviet_Union God damn Commie liberals.
MightyMandarin wrote: » https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War Don't forget these commie liberals either.
Brian? wrote: » So what did he do that was liberal minded?
Brian? wrote: » No liberal would have enacted DOMA.
oscarBravo wrote: » You made actual points? I guess calling people "insufferable ghastly creatures" is what passes for making actual points in alternative-facts land.
FA Hayek wrote: » Ah, so no engagement then on the over arching point about how self proclaimed progressive liberals, especially holloywood, are no longer liberals.
oscarBravo wrote: » That was your overarching point? It must have got lost in all the name-calling and butthurt about Hollywood people having the lèse-majesté to be critical of the Dear Leader.
