Anyone else becoming terrified of Liberals.

me_right_one

oscarBravo wrote: »

Yeah, those nasty liberals, telling women they can't have control over their own bodies; telling gay people they can't get married; telling Muslims that their religion is a cancer.

Yup. Except the polar opposite of that is happening. The complete and utter opposite. And normal people are sick of it. That is why 63 million people from the free-est, most democratic country on the planet, just handed you liberals your arses on a plate.

But dont mind me explaining why you failed, while you keep whinging about how you cant understand why you failed. Lol. Keep it up, keep ignoring what normal people think. Keep believing you're in the majority, and that you're right. Because as long as you do, normal people will be able to spot you and keep their distance.

I just love watching liberals squirm!

oscarBravo

me_right_one wrote: »

Yup. Except the polar opposite of that is happening. The complete and utter opposite. And normal people are sick of it.

"Normal people" are sick of women having bodily autonomy, of gay people having civil rights, of Muslims having freedom of religion?

That's a very narrow (read: straight white male) definition of "normal people" you've got going there.

I just love watching liberals squirm!

I quite enjoy watching narrow minds outing themselves, myself.

Professor Moriarty

me_right_one wrote: »

Yup. Except the polar opposite of that is happening. The complete and utter opposite. And normal people are sick of it. That is why 63 million people from the free-est, most democratic country on the planet, just handed you liberals your arses on a plate.

But dont mind me explaining why you failed, while you keep whinging about how you cant understand why you failed. Lol. Keep it up, keep ignoring what normal people think. Keep believing you're in the majority, and that you're right. Because as long as you do, normal people will be able to spot you and keep their distance.

I just love watching liberals squirm!

Most democratic? The person with the fewest votes was elected POTUS. Three million fewer in fact. Another (I was going to say alternative but, you know...) fact is that he got just 26% of the eligible vote.

Gbear

oscarBravo wrote: »

"Normal people" are sick of women having bodily autonomy, of gay people having civil rights, of Muslims having freedom of religion?

That's a very narrow (read: straight white male) definition of "normal people" you've got going there. I quite enjoy watching narrow minds outing themselves, myself.

Something liberals have to bin completely is the bleating about straight white males all the time.

It's even more embarassing hearing it in an Irish context when Ireland is so demographically homogeneous.

It's another clear example of "liberals" not understanding what the word means.
Why do we look so unfavourably on racism, sexism and other illogical discriminatory groupings?

What a lot of people on the left seem to think is that the problem is that their "team" were being disadvantaged and seem to miss the intrinsic issue of grouping people in that way.

You can quibble over the magnitude of who's the bigger asshole but qualititively racialism and other forms of illogical and arbitrary grouping of people on the left and the right are the same thing and further proof that liberal is the wrong word to describe left wing authoritarians.

oscarBravo

Gbear wrote: »

Why do we look so unfavourably on racism, sexism...

...seriously? We're at the point of arguing that racism and sexism are OK?

Gbear

oscarBravo wrote: »

...seriously? We're at the point of arguing that racism and sexism are OK?

Rhetorical device.

I answered the question with the next sentence.

Brian?

Gbear wrote: »

Rhetorical device.

I answered the question with the next sentence.

Actually, you didn't. We look unfavourably on racism and sexism because it's wrong to discriminate against people based on their race or sex.

AnGaelach

oscarBravo wrote: »

"Normal people" are sick of women having bodily autonomy, of gay people having civil rights, of Muslims having freedom of religion?

That's a very narrow (read: straight white male) definition of "normal people" you've got going there. I quite enjoy watching narrow minds outing themselves, myself.

It's straight white males that are supporting bodily autonomy, and who voted for gay marriage, and who implemented the freedom of religion in Western liberal democracies everywhere.

Do you really just love buzzwords so much you can't help but throw them in when they're not at all relevant to the discussion?

AnGaelach

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Most democratic? The person with the fewest votes was elected POTUS.

Because those were the rules both parties agreed to play, or do you think majoritarian authoritarianism is more important than the democratic bargain?

Permabear

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Widdershins

wes wrote: »

A Trump supporting right winger, walked into a mosque and murdered 6 people a few days ago. Then, the Trump admin blamed that attack on Muslims, and then a few days later announced that he admin will be ignoring far right terror.

I know who I am afraid of.

Yes it was horrible, that goes without saying, but if the other way around (if Muslims had attacked non Muslims) people would be quoting the statistics for death by car crashes. It makes no sense to be afraid either way. Fear is a barrier.

Widdershins

Yes I'm..unhappy with the direction Feminism is going. It disappoints me when friends parrot catchphrases like '' Dismantle The Patriarchy'' and get irritable or change the subject because they really have not thought critically about the claims they are perpetuating. I really cannot bring myself to call the more prominent of these people Liberal as they are the antithesis of Liberal. Not very feminist either, more like imposters.

Suryavarman

Permabear wrote: »

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You're a member of a private forum for discussing libertarianism on this site. It was set up to give libertarians a safe space to discuss libertarianism on this site.

Hypocritical much?

Brian?

Permabear wrote: »

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I agree. But a genuinely liberal society can't turn a blind eye to bigotry.

Professor Moriarty

AnGaelach wrote: »

Because those were the rules both parties agreed to play, or do you think majoritarian authoritarianism is more important than the democratic bargain?

Actually no. Both sides didn't agree to play by the rules. Trumps stated clearly and often that he wouldn't accept the result if he lost. Rather authoritarian, wouldn't you say?

Brian?

Suryavarman wrote: »

You're a member of a private forum for discussing libertarianism on this site. It was set up to give libertarians a safe space to discuss libertarianism on this site.

Hypocritical much?

Does that still exist? I want in. I'm a libertarian too.

AnGaelach

Brian? wrote: »

I agree. But a genuinely liberal society can't turn a blind eye to bigotry.

I'd argue that the diehard and shrill nature of those on the far left are the ones contributing to the rise in bigotry. They're the ones who started putting people into subsections and telling them they're oppressed, the ones who effectively started race-competition in the US.

I'm not saying the right is completely faultless, they're probably delighted that it's on the cards again - but nobody in the centre would have taken them seriously, had it not been for those trying to start ethnic competition. Every time I hear the term "white privilege" used in the context of Ireland, I get a little more fed up and a little more convinced we're going to head straight down the same path as Britain, America, and the Continental Europeans.

MightyMandarin

Permabear wrote: »

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You're right, it's not liberalism because it has nothing to do with liberals at all.

What has the 'US college campus' example got to do with modern liberalism? You've taken perceived 'social segregation' and the fact that college environments tend to be quite liberal, and concluded that this 'segregation' is all down to liberalism, which just isn't true.

'Social segregation' as you call it, exists in various environments and along both 'political sides'. You don't think the GOP strategists define its supporters along groups such as 'the evangelicals' or 'the libertarians', the same way things such as 'the black caucus' exist on the Democrat's side.

It has nothing to do with liberalism yet you just use it as another example to unfairly bash it.

AnGaelach

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Actually no. Both sides didn't agree to play by the rules. Trumps stated clearly and often that he wouldn't accept the result if he lost. Rather authoritarian, wouldn't you say?

Trump was laying the groundwork for launching his own media/"news" station. I, personally, find it unlikely he'd actually try to dispute the outcome of the election.

listermint

AnGaelach wrote: »

I'd argue that the diehard and shrill nature of those on the far left are the ones contributing to the rise in bigotry. They're the ones who started putting people into subsections and telling them they're oppressed, the ones who effectively started race-competition in the US.

I'm not saying the right is completely faultless, they're probably delighted that it's on the cards again - but nobody in the centre would have taken them seriously, had it not been for those trying to start ethnic competition. Every time I hear the term "white privilege" used in the context of Ireland, I get a little more fed up and a little more convinced we're going to head straight down the same path as Britain, America, and the Continental Europeans.

Just to put the brakes on this here .


Who uses the term white privilege in an Irish context and please don't say Facebook.

Because I've never ever ever heard anyone say those words in this country.

AnGaelach

listermint wrote: »

Just to put the brakes on this here .


Who uses the term white privilege in an Irish context and please don't say Facebook.

Because I've never ever ever heard anyone say those words in this country.

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/white-privilege-is-real-and-it-exists-in-ireland-1.2835557

I guess the Irish Times doesn't count now either? Will you be asking for a peer-reviewed journal?

listermint

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Here's an example from Trinity's 'Privilege Walk' last year, 1:32 'If you are a white male, step forward'

There's always a first.bit by Christ it's trinity and the insufferable girl from tallaght .

Wrapping themselves up in a global context when it means little in an Irish context

Hank Scorpio

listermint wrote: »

Just to put the brakes on this here .

There was an AH thread about this article here a few months back that caused some slight uproar

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/white-privilege-is-real-and-it-exists-in-ireland-1.2835557

Edit: Beaten by the above poster.

Anyway here's the thread : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057662194

listermint

AnGaelach wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/white-privilege-is-real-and-it-exists-in-ireland-1.2835557

I guess the Irish Times doesn't count now either? Will you be asking for a peer-reviewed journal?

Has anyone actually heard a person on the street or in work say these words or are we going to reference click articles and students union morons from trinity.


As if either is indicative of real life

MightyMandarin

listermint wrote: »

There's always a first.bit by Christ it's trinity and the insufferable girl from tallaght .

Wrapping themselves up in a global context when it means little in an Irish context

That event was a load of bollocks, and I know well if I took part there'd be doctor's and solicitor's daughters, who went to private schools and have daddy's credit card in their handbags, standing behind me just because I'm a lad.

AnGaelach

listermint wrote: »

Has anyone actually heard a person on the street or in work say these words

Hang on, did you not complain about me using social media the other day? Should I get a dictaphone and record conversations in public for you?

Widdershins

listermint wrote: »

Has anyone actually heard a person on the street or in work say these words or are we going to reference click articles and students union morons from trinity.


As if either is indicative of real life

I have. Friends of mine use it. My hairdresser even used it in conversation. I wouldn't underestimate the influence of social media, which is where they absorb it from, imo. I discovered one of my friends is a blogger and describes herself as a feminist writer. She seems to cover this kind of topic on a regular basis.

listermint

Widdershins wrote: »

I have. Friends of mine use it. My hairdresser even used it in conversation. I wouldn't underestimate the influence of social media, which is where they absorb it from, imo. I discovered one of my friends is a blogger and describes herself as a feminist writer. She seems to cover this kind of topic on a regular basis.

Exactly.

It has no bearing in Ireland . No bearing at all.

I'm white and make and grew up in West Dublin from what many of these so called bloggers would call deprived.

And I privileged because of my skin or because my parents worked their arse off and I do too.

Enough of this pony talk because that's all it is .And did you call this hairdresser on it or sit back and go sure yeah your right white privilege yeah them white men in Ireland have it all...

Professor Moriarty

AnGaelach wrote: »

Trump was laying the groundwork for launching his own media/"news" station. I, personally, find it unlikely he'd actually try to dispute the outcome of the election.

So it's appropriate for a candidate, ultimately POTUS, to subvert democracy during his campaign in order to launch his own TV station? These are strange laissez faire times.

MightyMandarin

listermint wrote: »

Has anyone actually heard a person on the street or in work say these words or are we going to reference click articles and students union morons from trinity.


As if either is indicative of real life

The video is on TCD's youtube channel, it's not just the SU. This event was supported by the college, not just the SU.

And yes, I've been told by a few idiots I'm classmates with that we have it easier than the 2 or 3 black students in our class (out of 160 or so), just because we're white.

The ironic thing about these injustices students fight over is that they mean **** all in comparison to actual inequality, which is the wealthy few owning vast swathes more than the general population, and yet I'm meant to feel 'privileged' because I'm a man and I'm white, which is irrelevant imo.