Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

normanoffside

Floyd via DQ

McGregor was a lot more humble than his fans if the press conference. Dana looked like he was going to have a heart attack when Conor said he might box again and Conor said he would do what he wants. Reminds me of when Virgil won the million dollar below from Ted di Biase.

dulux99

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

The guy just said Conor isn't a prizefighter.

Floyd isn't even a fighter period. Simple truth.

Floyd is a world class boxer, he can't fight.

Wonder I've never interacted with you but see you on the mma board all the time and read your posts, but I feel I must inform you that you've jumped the shark at this point. Cmon man. And I say that as an enormous McGregor fan.

yabadabado

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

Floyd isn't even a fighter nevermind a "prizefighter".

Floyd is a boxer.
Conor is a fighter.

Big difference. If you want to see the difference demonstrated, put them in an Octagon where kicks and elbows can be used and press start on your stopwatch. Floyd is unconscious inside 60 seconds.

Utterly pathetic but anyone who read the other thread wouldn't be surprised.You are a complete embarrassment at this stage.

Burial.

Floyd via DQ

Even if he has no place in the sport, I'd welcome Conor continuing to box just to see Dana's turkey head go mad and watch as all his cash cows peace out.

Mrloverlover

I'll be arriving in sunny beach around 10 pm ish, I know the fight won't be on till 5 am ish is there any chance of finding a place open at that hour to watch it ?

Any help/suggestions would be greatly appreciated

Nice one

Tinie

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

The guy just said Conor isn't a prizefighter.

Floyd isn't even a fighter period. Simple truth.

Floyd is a world class boxer, he can't fight.

So Mike Tyson cant fight? Canelo cant either? Roy Jones JR?

This whole thing about not being a fighter is definitely something the promotional team came up with for this build, and looks like it worked.

yabadabado

Floyd via DQ

Muahahaha wrote: »

Speaking of betting weldoninhio how is our bet coming along?

I was ecstatic when you offered the thread 500-1 odds on McGregor winning. I offered you 500 euro at that price and you didnt have the readies to back your mouth up. Then I offered you 20 cents at that price and you laughed at me. Then I offered 1 euro at that price and you vanished.

So please tell me what I have to bet to get these 500-1 odds you are offering and I will make it happen, I would never refuse 500-1 odds in a two horse race.

Or were you just talking through your arse and you cant back up your words with actions ? :rolleyes:

Not really a two horse race, more like Floyd is Frankel Conor is Eeyore .

yabadabado

Floyd via DQ

Burial. wrote: »

Even if he has no place in the sport, I'd welcome Conor continuing to box just to see Dana's turkey head go mad and watch as all his cash cows peace out.

who could be fight?Any top 10 fighter beats him now imo .Is he willing to start low and work his way up.i doubt it.

StringerBell

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

Floyd isn't even a fighter nevermind a "prizefighter".

Floyd is a boxer.
Conor is a fighter.

Big difference. If you want to see the difference demonstrated, put them in an Octagon where kicks and elbows can be used and press start on your stopwatch. Floyd is unconscious inside 60 seconds.

You have really embarrassed yourself these last couple of weeks, which is a shame.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

StringerBell wrote: »

You have really embarrassed yourself these last couple of weeks, which is a shame.

So wait when Dan Hardy, Chael Sonnen (to name but 2) say the same as me:

"Floyd is a boxer, not a fighter".

Are they "embarrassing themselves" also?

You're ok with the guy saying "Conor is not a prizefighter" when he *literally* fights for prizes?

Floyd Mayweather is a phenomenal, world class, top 20 of all-time BOXER. If we define a "fight" as "two people punching each other standing" then he'd be a fighter but that's not what a fight is.

The Oxford Dictionary defines a fight as: "a violent confrontation or struggle."

They define "boxing" as: "the sport or practice of fighting with the fists, especially with padded gloves in a roped square ring according to prescribed rules (the Queensberry Rules)."

If you can't see the difference you're sadly deluded.

Floyd Mayweather is a breathtakingly skilled boxer but he can't fight. Simple as that.

Guffy

georgiecasey wrote: »

well Buster Douglas was 42/1 to beat Tyson, McGregor is 3/1 (which is ridiculous)

The odds don't represent the fighters chances of winning as such, moreso the book makers exposure to a market. If conor wins the bookies will lose a fortune.

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

Tinie wrote: »

So Mike Tyson cant fight? Canelo cant either? Roy Jones JR?

This whole thing about not being a fighter is definitely something the promotional team came up with for this build, and looks like it worked.

Short answer, no. They can't. Even in their primes they don't last 60 seconds against any UFC champions where more than fists can be used, which is closer to the concept of a "fight".

That's not meant to diminish boxing because it takes tremendous heart, grit, determination, resilience, toughness and skill to be a world-class boxer. Not many MMA fighters could beat boxers under their limited rules.

StringerBell

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

So wait when Dan Hardy, Chael Sonnen (to name but 2) say the same as me:

"Floyd is a boxer, not a fighter".

Are they "embarrassing themselves" also?

You're ok with the guy saying "Conor is not a prizefighter" when he *literally* fights for prizes?

Floyd Mayweather is a phenomenal, world class, top 20 of all-time BOXER. If we define a "fight" as "two people punching each other standing" then he'd be a fighter but that's not what a fight is.

The Oxford Dictionary defines a fight as: "a violent confrontation or struggle."

They define "boxing" as: "the sport or practice of fighting with the fists, especially with padded gloves in a roped square ring according to prescribed rules (the Queensberry Rules)."

If you can't see the difference you're sadly deluded.

Floyd Mayweather is a breathtakingly skilled boxer but he can't fight. Simple as that.

And isn't it incredible this line of thinking only clicked in your head when it was spouted by the other two guys who were,yes, embarrassing themselves also. Parroting them is actually worse, have you thought yourself why this never occurred to you to before?

I am not going to waste any time arguing this one with you, its like Trump regurgitating the latest thing he has seen on Fox and Friends, you are wrong. They are wrong, but at least they don't believe what they are saying.

Conor is a prizefighter also, isn't it mad that just because Bob Arum said he isn't I don't automatically swallow that and run with it since I can see it for the bull**** it is?

Like I said, embarrassing.

bennyl10

Autochange wrote: »

Yes I am. And he still has more class than McgGregor.

Classy for he cameras.. had the same reaction Conor had to being called out on something thoigh..
Isn't it funny?..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasjaSynwJw&ebc=ANyPxKoYeyoHbQqYQ5Q7RrrN4kh7lMmjYyBihxGcWAqk7RvQ0BMoHMjVgEFQ-9TkEq0B_n7rgXE4DhfLSIMzWnpxrD7zLZ_tgQ

(Some interesting enough interviews up aswell)

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

StringerBell wrote: »

Conor is a prizefighter also, isn't it mad that just because Bob Arum said he isn't I don't automatically swallow that and run with it since I can see it for the bull**** it is?

Like I said, embarrassing.

I suspect you'll find I was saying the same thing 3 weeks ago. Dan Hardy only said it yesterday. I'll also suggest you weren't too quick to call out the dozens of posters on this forum suggesting Conor isn't a prizefighter.

Anyway, don't worry. When Floyd embarrasses Conor Saturday night I'll return to plead for forgiveness for being clueless about boxing...

hawaii501

Sure Brock Lesnar was a WWE wrestler for about 10 years who won a title, going on that logic he shouldn't have had a chance in the octagon.

Boxers have a better chance in the octagon than mma fighters in a boxing ring as their standup would be a lot better and can slip them a la McGregor to Aldo

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

I apologize to my boxing forum friends.

I didn't mean to diminish the sport or come across seeking confrontation.

The thing is - I've accepted this fight as a genuine fight between two warriors and it annoys me when people dismiss Conor as a joke, so I get defensive. Whether we class them as warriors, boxers, fighters really doesn't matter and it was a juvenile response.

I believe we'll have a really exciting fight. Two granite chins are involved here. If nothing else you will be impressed with Conor's chin, I feel fairly confident on that front.

Win or lose I hope we all enjoy the fight

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

hawaii501 wrote: »

Sure Brock Lesnar was a WWE wrestler for about 10 years who won a title, going on that logic he shouldn't have had a chance in the octagon.

Boxers have a better chance in the octagon than mma fighters in a boxing ring as their standup would be a lot better and can slip them a la McGregor to Aldo

Just one quick last point:

Brock Lesnar was a phenomenal collegiate wrestler, very close to Olympic level NCAA wrestler. Wrestling is a much better base skill for MMA than boxing. Boxers are extremely vulnerable in MMA because they can't defend takedowns.

On the flip side, Mixed Martial Artists are vulnerable in boxing for many reasons but the biggest reason is head movement. In MMA, fighters don't employ much head movement (side to side dips) because they have to be wary about dropping their head into a kick.

That's going to be a problem for Conor. He doesn't move his head much. He slips punches using his trunk/torso, mainly, employing pull-counters etc but lack of head movement can be fatal against an elite boxer.

I think he combats this deficiency by boxing Floyd at long-range, only getting in close when the fight is nearer the ropes.

Sticking my neck on the line, I believe Floyd will face 2x counts in the first 4 rounds, but will beat the count both times.

gilmour

Floyd via DQ

i watch a fair bit of UFC and i definitely like it, obviously took me a while to understand what was going on once they hit the ground. One fighter that i seen fight a few months back, Cody Galbraith (sp?), excellent footwork and boxing skills there...but i assume he has a heavy background in wrestling or kick boxing to go along with that?

Ultimate Seduction

gilmour wrote:

i watch a fair bit of UFC and i definitely like it, obviously took me a while to understand what was going on once they hit the ground. One fighter that i seen fight a few months back, Cody Galbraith (sp?), excellent footwork and boxing skills there...but i assume he has a heavy background in wrestling or kick boxing to go along with that?

The fella he beat, Dominic Cruz, has the best footwork ever seen in mma. You wouldn't realise it watching that fight though.

gilmour

Floyd via DQ

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

The fella he beat, Dominic Cruz, has the best footwork ever seen in mma. You wouldn't realise it watching that fight though.

I had seen Cruz before a few times but jesus Cody made him look like a random drunk lad on the street.

I think the standard of punching in the UFC is rising since Conor came on the scene. If it wasnt for the Ali Act i'd imagine a lot of boxers would be enticed to work on the other essential skillsets and cross ship, obviously train for a few years not straight away.

Ash.J.Williams

Conor via DQ

dana has been brilliant during this. All the waffle we had to endure from showtime and then dana get's straight to the point "here's conor mcgregor" job done

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

gilmour wrote: »

I had seen Cruz before a few times but jesus Cody made him look like a random drunk lad on the street.

I think the standard of punching in the UFC is rising since Conor came on the scene. If it wasnt for the Ali Act i'd imagine a lot of boxers would be enticed to work on the other essential skillsets and cross ship, obviously train for a few years not straight away.

You're correct.

Cody was 32-0 as an amateur boxer before taking up MMA. To this day his old boxing coach maintains he could have been a pro boxer.

Muahahaha

Conor via DQ

walshb wrote: »

More betting nonsense!

Not all all walshb, weldoninhio said a McGregor win is so unlikely that he offered odds of 500-1.

I and several other posters wanted to take up him on that bet. I genuinely offered 500 euro, that offer was refused so I offered 20 cents, that was laughed at so then I offered 1 euro and then he vanished from the thread . He is still here though as he just thanked your post. This is what is known as hiding behind your mothers skirt.

If weldoninhio can follow through on his 500-1 offer then I will gladly give any winnings to any charity of his choice. And if Mayweather wins then it is free money for weldoninhio. Now who would refuse free money? weldoninhio would by the looks of it....he has been called out so lets see if he can back his brave words up? ....if he is so confident of Mayweather winning then how can he possibly refuse some free money?

gilmour

Floyd via DQ

Might want to change the time on the threat title to 4am just to be conservative.
Apparently its a 4am walkout and even though 90% of the time it doesn't get going until 5am theres been a few times when fights have started at 4.30am

ThinkProgress

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

I apologize to my boxing forum friends.

I didn't mean to diminish the sport or come across seeking confrontation.

The thing is - I've accepted this fight as a genuine fight between two warriors and it annoys me when people dismiss Conor as a joke, so I get defensive. Whether we class them as warriors, boxers, fighters really doesn't matter and it was a juvenile response.

I believe we'll have a really exciting fight. Two granite chins are involved here. If nothing else you will be impressed with Conor's chin, I feel fairly confident on that front.

Win or lose I hope we all enjoy the fight

Conor is no joke in MMA... but he is very much a joke in a boxing match against Floyd Mayweather! And this fight is ridiculous, just like your opinions on it.

And regarding your comments about boxers not being fighters... I think you'll find that, a fighter in the UFC really only requires rudimentary grappling/ground fighting skills, IF that fighter has outstanding striking skills... (and by striking we mostly mean with your fists)

Conor is proof of this!

So, to be a great UFC champion... you mostly just need to be great at throwing punches. And not even great by boxing standards... just great by comparison to the standards in the UFC. So a legitimate argument really could be made, for why boxing skills are actually the most important skillset you need, if you want to be a champion in the UFC...

And lastly, if you want to go down this ridiculous road of saying who is and isn't a real fighter... and what is/isn't a real fight... if Conor was fighting Nate Diaz in a real fight 18 months ago... like a true fight with no referee... wouldn't he be dead right now??

It's kind of difficult to jump in a boxing ring with Floyd, if you've just been killed in your last fight...

Stop all this BS about real fighting/fighters... it's nonsense, and you know it!!

wonderfullife wrote: »

Just one quick last point:

Brock Lesnar was a phenomenal collegiate wrestler, very close to Olympic level NCAA wrestler. Wrestling is a much better base skill for MMA than boxing. Boxers are extremely vulnerable in MMA because they can't defend takedowns.

On the flip side, Mixed Martial Artists are vulnerable in boxing for many reasons but the biggest reason is head movement. In MMA, fighters don't employ much head movement (side to side dips) because they have to be wary about dropping their head into a kick.

Wrestlers are extremely vulnerable in a fast paced stand-up fight... physically and technically, it's completely different to what is required in wrestling!

That is a big part of the reason, that Conor is going to struggle in this fast-paced boxing match... he has never faced a guy that is going to move as well as Floyd does... Being one of the top stand-up fighters in MMA, does not really equate to being able to mix it with elite boxers. It's a very different level.

Conor claims he is ready for 36 mins of fast-paced fighting... we'll see about that... it's highly unlikely that he has been able to condition his body, for that kind of relentless punishment in just a few weeks! (even if you count the cardio work he did for the Diaz re-match, it's still not really enough time)

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

ThinkProgress wrote: »

And regarding your comments about boxers not being fighters... I think you'll find that, a fighter in the UFC really only requires rudimentary grappling/ground fighting skills, IF that fighter has outstanding striking skills... (and by striking we mostly mean with your fists)

Conor is proof of this!


Wrestlers are extremely vulnerable in a fast paced stand-up fight... physically and technically, it's completely different to what is required in wrestling!

You *literally* haven't a clue what you're talking about.

The most dominant champions in UFC history - GSP, Anderson Silva, Mighty Mouse - all had/have phenomenal grappling skills. They were dominant largely because their ground games and wrestling game was so good. Anderson Silva's striking became so good partly BECAUSE he wasn't worried about being taken down due to his black belt in BJJ.

Conor himself is a brown belt in BJJ and has technically brilliant takedown defence against the cage. The security of those grappling skills allows him to be such a good striker in MMA.

At the end of the day we'll find out on Saturday what's up. You seem insistent Conor will hardly land a punch and get destroyed.

We'll see.

Kermit.de.frog

wonderfullife wrote: »

The most dominant champions in UFC history - GSP, Anderson Silva, Mighty Mouse - all had/have phenomenal grappling skills. They were dominant largely because their ground games and wrestling game was so good. Anderson Silva's striking became so good partly BECAUSE he wasn't worried about being taken down due to his black belt in BJJ.

Conor himself is a brown belt in BJJ and has technically brilliant takedown defence against the cage. The security of those grappling skills allows him to be such a good striker in MMA.

And how does any of that matter in a real professional sport like boxing?

ThinkProgress

Floyd via DQ

wonderfullife wrote: »

You *literally* haven't a clue what you're talking about.

The most dominant champions in UFC history - GSP, Anderson Silva, Mighty Mouse - all had/have phenomenal grappling skills. They were dominant largely because their ground games and wrestling game was so good. Anderson Silva's striking became so good partly BECAUSE he wasn't worried about being taken down due to his black belt in BJJ.

Conor himself is a brown belt in BJJ and has technically brilliant takedown defence against the cage. The security of those grappling skills allows him to be such a good striker in MMA.

At the end of the day we'll find out on Saturday what's up. You seem insistent Conor will hardly land a punch and get destroyed.

We'll see.

Anderson's striking is what made him great... GSP did manage to carve out a very good career, by lying on top of people... but he was very fortunate, that he never fought Anderson. Not taking anything away from his career, but he clearly never really wanted to fight prime Anderson... he would have been taken apart in a stand-up fight! (imo)

Jose Aldo... great ground game... but his last two losses, have come from being outmatched on the feet. In fact, his ground skills allowed him to survive much longer against Holloway, than he really should have. But his stand-up game, was what let him down!

Conor does NOT have great ground skills... he is average, at best, in that department. But again, not really surprised that you hold such a delusional view. It's becoming a recurring theme with you, it seems... :rolleyes:

Ground skills are obviously very important... but mostly, it's just important to not be totally rubbish on the ground. You don't actually require great ground skills, IF you have a high level stand-up game!

So again... I think you can make a very strong argument, for why boxing skills in particular, can help you become a dominant champion in the UFC. And not just the skills... but also the conditioning.

I think if you could take some elite boxers, and give them some basic ground skills... they could be very successful in MMA. They would not need to be great on the ground... just decent.

If you flip it around, I really don't think the elite strikers in MMA could transfer into boxing, and become top pro boxing champions. But you're correct, we are going to get a very interesting window into this question in a few days!

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

gilmour wrote: »

I remember that night well, and was delighted he spoke out against the judging in Texas because it was and still is farcical. He was robbed that night.

Go away out of that..

He came across as nothing but a whiney sore losing pr1ck..

Practically admitting the fight was very close and then crying that the decision went against him...