wonderfullife wrote: » The guy just said Conor isn't a prizefighter. Floyd isn't even a fighter period. Simple truth. Floyd is a world class boxer, he can't fight.
wonderfullife wrote: » Floyd isn't even a fighter nevermind a "prizefighter". Floyd is a boxer. Conor is a fighter. Big difference. If you want to see the difference demonstrated, put them in an Octagon where kicks and elbows can be used and press start on your stopwatch. Floyd is unconscious inside 60 seconds.
Muahahaha wrote: » Speaking of betting weldoninhio how is our bet coming along? I was ecstatic when you offered the thread 500-1 odds on McGregor winning. I offered you 500 euro at that price and you didnt have the readies to back your mouth up. Then I offered you 20 cents at that price and you laughed at me. Then I offered 1 euro at that price and you vanished. So please tell me what I have to bet to get these 500-1 odds you are offering and I will make it happen, I would never refuse 500-1 odds in a two horse race. Or were you just talking through your arse and you cant back up your words with actions ? :rolleyes:
Burial. wrote: » Even if he has no place in the sport, I'd welcome Conor continuing to box just to see Dana's turkey head go mad and watch as all his cash cows peace out.
StringerBell wrote: » You have really embarrassed yourself these last couple of weeks, which is a shame.
georgiecasey wrote: » well Buster Douglas was 42/1 to beat Tyson, McGregor is 3/1 (which is ridiculous)
Tinie wrote: » So Mike Tyson cant fight? Canelo cant either? Roy Jones JR? This whole thing about not being a fighter is definitely something the promotional team came up with for this build, and looks like it worked.
wonderfullife wrote: » So wait when Dan Hardy, Chael Sonnen (to name but 2) say the same as me: "Floyd is a boxer, not a fighter". Are they "embarrassing themselves" also? You're ok with the guy saying "Conor is not a prizefighter" when he *literally* fights for prizes? Floyd Mayweather is a phenomenal, world class, top 20 of all-time BOXER. If we define a "fight" as "two people punching each other standing" then he'd be a fighter but that's not what a fight is. The Oxford Dictionary defines a fight as: "a violent confrontation or struggle." They define "boxing" as: "the sport or practice of fighting with the fists, especially with padded gloves in a roped square ring according to prescribed rules (the Queensberry Rules)." If you can't see the difference you're sadly deluded. Floyd Mayweather is a breathtakingly skilled boxer but he can't fight. Simple as that.
Autochange wrote: » Yes I am. And he still has more class than McgGregor.
StringerBell wrote: » Conor is a prizefighter also, isn't it mad that just because Bob Arum said he isn't I don't automatically swallow that and run with it since I can see it for the bull**** it is? Like I said, embarrassing.
hawaii501 wrote: » Sure Brock Lesnar was a WWE wrestler for about 10 years who won a title, going on that logic he shouldn't have had a chance in the octagon. Boxers have a better chance in the octagon than mma fighters in a boxing ring as their standup would be a lot better and can slip them a la McGregor to Aldo
gilmour wrote: i watch a fair bit of UFC and i definitely like it, obviously took me a while to understand what was going on once they hit the ground. One fighter that i seen fight a few months back, Cody Galbraith (sp?), excellent footwork and boxing skills there...but i assume he has a heavy background in wrestling or kick boxing to go along with that?
Ultimate Seduction wrote: » The fella he beat, Dominic Cruz, has the best footwork ever seen in mma. You wouldn't realise it watching that fight though.
gilmour wrote: » I had seen Cruz before a few times but jesus Cody made him look like a random drunk lad on the street. I think the standard of punching in the UFC is rising since Conor came on the scene. If it wasnt for the Ali Act i'd imagine a lot of boxers would be enticed to work on the other essential skillsets and cross ship, obviously train for a few years not straight away.
walshb wrote: » More betting nonsense!
wonderfullife wrote: » I apologize to my boxing forum friends. I didn't mean to diminish the sport or come across seeking confrontation. The thing is - I've accepted this fight as a genuine fight between two warriors and it annoys me when people dismiss Conor as a joke, so I get defensive. Whether we class them as warriors, boxers, fighters really doesn't matter and it was a juvenile response. I believe we'll have a really exciting fight. Two granite chins are involved here. If nothing else you will be impressed with Conor's chin, I feel fairly confident on that front. Win or lose I hope we all enjoy the fight
wonderfullife wrote: » Just one quick last point: Brock Lesnar was a phenomenal collegiate wrestler, very close to Olympic level NCAA wrestler. Wrestling is a much better base skill for MMA than boxing. Boxers are extremely vulnerable in MMA because they can't defend takedowns. On the flip side, Mixed Martial Artists are vulnerable in boxing for many reasons but the biggest reason is head movement. In MMA, fighters don't employ much head movement (side to side dips) because they have to be wary about dropping their head into a kick.
ThinkProgress wrote: » And regarding your comments about boxers not being fighters... I think you'll find that, a fighter in the UFC really only requires rudimentary grappling/ground fighting skills, IF that fighter has outstanding striking skills... (and by striking we mostly mean with your fists) Conor is proof of this! Wrestlers are extremely vulnerable in a fast paced stand-up fight... physically and technically, it's completely different to what is required in wrestling!
wonderfullife wrote: » The most dominant champions in UFC history - GSP, Anderson Silva, Mighty Mouse - all had/have phenomenal grappling skills. They were dominant largely because their ground games and wrestling game was so good. Anderson Silva's striking became so good partly BECAUSE he wasn't worried about being taken down due to his black belt in BJJ. Conor himself is a brown belt in BJJ and has technically brilliant takedown defence against the cage. The security of those grappling skills allows him to be such a good striker in MMA.
wonderfullife wrote: » You *literally* haven't a clue what you're talking about. The most dominant champions in UFC history - GSP, Anderson Silva, Mighty Mouse - all had/have phenomenal grappling skills. They were dominant largely because their ground games and wrestling game was so good. Anderson Silva's striking became so good partly BECAUSE he wasn't worried about being taken down due to his black belt in BJJ. Conor himself is a brown belt in BJJ and has technically brilliant takedown defence against the cage. The security of those grappling skills allows him to be such a good striker in MMA. At the end of the day we'll find out on Saturday what's up. You seem insistent Conor will hardly land a punch and get destroyed. We'll see.
gilmour wrote: » I remember that night well, and was delighted he spoke out against the judging in Texas because it was and still is farcical. He was robbed that night.
