Fight Time From 4am-McGregor vs Mayweather**MOD Warning in 1st Post**

Mellor

Draw

Django99 wrote: »

I would say the "true" odds would be somewhere around 1/200. I would imagine that bets on Mayweather are/will be very limited. Even at that 1/10 price I doubt you could get much more that 100 on that at best.

€3,000 Max Bet at 1/10

Shopping around it wouldn't be hard to get €10+k on if you wished.
If people are genuinely giving Conor 0% chance. Then surely they'll be all over this free money.
But money on the line confidence is nothing like internet confidence

Positively Negative

pac_man wrote:

Are you aware of the report button from your previous account? Oh Btw, what was your previous username? PM me if you don't want to disclose it on the forum.

Did someone report Gamebred or is it only your pals that need to be reported?

thierry14

Diddley Squat wrote: »

We had a thread here some years back : Andy Lee vs Paul O'Connell

Was it not Bernard Dunne vs O'Connell

Cant remember the Andy one

Your right though Conor would need to be way bigger than Floyd to win in the boxing ring

He would need to be 180lb plus imo

A pro boxer would need to be David Haye size, like 210lb to beat Conor in MMA

Fighting leprechaun 20

FTA69 wrote: »

Who would win? The two men's bank accounts and the promoters. Anyone paying to watch this is a fool.

Pure freak show nonsense that has nothing to do with the sport of boxing.

Under MMA rules McGregor beats him in two minutes. Under boxing rules then Floyd makes him look an absolute fool.

There is no mystery about MMA v. Boxing anymore; they're totally different sports.

Mayweather isnt beating conor he can barely beat his own wife ;D

Fighting leprechaun 20

walshb wrote: »

Well, Conor wins here no matter what. He gets to fight the most bankable athlete on earth, who also happens to fight quite scared, so even losing I think Conor may not get as huts compared to say fighting Manny.

I'd be very surprised if this went past 4 rds, even taking into account Mayweather fighting scared. He would nail Conor frequently, and with enough for to hurt him, and stop him

Oh come on.. many is like 5'1 conor would ko him stiff .

thierry14

Fighting leprechaun 20 wrote: »

Oh come on.. many is like 5'1 conor would ko him stiff .

Conor is a tiny guy as well

In build and height

Fighting leprechaun 20

thierry14 wrote: »

Conor is a tiny guy as well

In build and height

Conor is 5'9 180 pounds many is 5'5 150 pounds . Mayweather is also a midget 5'7 156 pounds .
Conor takes bare knuckle punches those padded gloves and gayweathers pillow fists cant do anything .

Fighting leprechaun 20

thierry14 wrote: »

Conor is a tiny guy as well

In build and height

He'll do nutting . He'll do fooking nuttin .

Fighting leprechaun 20

thierry14 wrote: »

Conor is a tiny guy as well

In build and height

He'll do nutting . He'll do fooking nuttin .

wonderfullife

Conor via KO-TKO

The relevant question isn't whether Conor can beat Floyd. It's a pointless question and the answer is yes - He can beat Floyd. He can also win the lotto Saturday, if he buys a ticket.

The relevant question is:

Should Conor try box or should he strike?

In MMA, Conor employs a very wide, hybrid-karate-based stance that would look fairly unusual in a boxing ring. But it's 100% what he must do if the fight comes to fruition. Unlike boxing, he constantly has to worry about having his inside-lead-leg kicked (especially against orthodox fighters) or his outside lead-leg kicked by southpaws.

Leg kicks disrupt his balance, his base and his timing. He overcomes that by effective use of distance, range and, primarily, by using footwork and movement to circle and pin opponents. It's no coincidence that in 7 of his last 9 fights, he had his opponents pretty much frozen to the spot against the fence at times.

If Conor goes in using a boxing stance and tries to treat this as a boxing match, he will lose and lose comprehensively. If he goes in using his karate-based stance, the outcome will likely be the same.

But the bottom line is for this fight to have any element of intrigue, he has to present Floyd (and the fans) something Floyd will have never have seen before. Then the intrigue shifts to how quickly and easily Floyd adapts to the man in front of him.

In short, he has to make it MMA v Boxing.

That's why I worry when I see the likes of Wayne McCullough and Paschal/Steve Collins offering to train him. To be fair he trains with Paschal on and off the last few years anyway but he shouldn't even go down that road. He should stick with Owen Roddy, stick with his MMA stance and just go out there and wing shots in Floyds direction from that set-up.

He's got nothing to lose. Nobody expects him to land a meaningful punch, let alone win a round.

Depp

Conor via DQ

pac_man wrote: »

I don't really follow the UFC but from what Ive seen of Mcgregor, i'd be very surprised if he came out in top of the Irish Seniors.

pac_man wrote: »

Don't recall anyone making the comparison.



I've warned you on the other thread and I'm warning you on this. Give up the trolling or you'll be taking a break off the forum.

this is hilarious, very high standard of unbiased modding you guys have here

Tiriel

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eddie73

wonderfullife wrote: »

The relevant question isn't whether Conor can beat Floyd. It's a pointless question and the answer is yes - He can beat Floyd. He can also win the lotto Saturday, if he buys a ticket.

The relevant question is:

Should Conor try box or should he strike?

In MMA, Conor employs a very wide, hybrid-karate-based stance that would look fairly unusual in a boxing ring. But it's 100% what he must do if the fight comes to fruition. Unlike boxing, he constantly has to worry about having his inside-lead-leg kicked (especially against orthodox fighters) or his outside lead-leg kicked by southpaws.

Leg kicks disrupt his balance, his base and his timing. He overcomes that by effective use of distance, range and, primarily, by using footwork and movement to circle and pin opponents. It's no coincidence that in 7 of his last 9 fights, he had his opponents pretty much frozen to the spot against the fence at times.

If Conor goes in using a boxing stance and tries to treat this as a boxing match, he will lose and lose comprehensively. If he goes in using his karate-based stance, the outcome will likely be the same.

But the bottom line is for this fight to have any element of intrigue, he has to present Floyd (and the fans) something Floyd will have never have seen before. Then the intrigue shifts to how quickly and easily Floyd adapts to the man in front of him.

In short, he has to make it MMA v Boxing.

That's why I worry when I see the likes of Wayne McCullough and Paschal/Steve Collins offering to train him. To be fair he trains with Paschal on and off the last few years anyway but he shouldn't even go down that road. He should stick with Owen Roddy, stick with his MMA stance and just go out there and wing shots in Floyds direction from that set-up.

He's got nothing to lose. Nobody expects him to land a meaningful punch, let alone win a round.

Collins would be an excellent man to have on board. I would say that if he sparred with Jason Quigley as well, he would have excellent preparation for any boxing opponent.

What would be really interesting, and it is something that I will predict, is that we will see Nate Diaz box against McGregor as well. I cant see him going back fighting in the UFC now, nor can I see McGregor doing it either, as after this fight he will have priced himself out of the octagon.

The only way we will see McGregor fight MMA again is if he sets up his own company, but then we can expect more celebrity match ups than anything else.

Tombo2001

eddie73 wrote: »

Collins would be an excellent man to have on board. I would say that if he sparred with Jason Quigley as well, he would have excellent preparation for any boxing opponent.

What would be really interesting, and it is something that I will predict, is that we will see Nate Diaz box against McGregor as well. I cant see him going back fighting in the UFC now, nor can I see McGregor doing it either, as after this fight he will have priced himself out of the octagon.

The only way we will see McGregor fight MMA again is if he sets up his own company, but then we can expect more celebrity match ups than anything else.

He's contractually tied in; may not have the choice.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

wonderfullife wrote: »

Should Conor try box or should he strike?

No matter what he employs once it's boxing rules then it shouldn't make too much difference. Conor is a striker in MMA. He is one of the better strikers. In MMA terms he would be a decent boxer. His main area to focus on should be his defence, because he will be rudely awakened by speed. Conor has good speed in MMA, average speed for boxing. Very unlikely he lands anything of real substance on Floyd, but it very likely he eats flush shots from Floyd. So to preserve his health he should focus on keeping distance, a high guard and plenty of head movement. It may get him to rd 3 or 4....

If it was Quigley or Manny in there it may get him to minute two or three.

eddie73

Tombo2001 wrote: »

He's contractually tied in; may not have the choice.

Who Diaz or McGregor? It's not as if either care

Positively Negative

As Conor said, If from fighters under UFC contracts can compete in Jiu Jitsu tournaments then he can compete in boxing. The Ali Act is also in his favour.

I like the idea of Conor v Nate in a boxing match with 6oz gloves

Means Of Escape

He would be barking mad not to take a shot at Mayweather
The pros totally outweigh the cons
Forget the money as he probably has enough to keep him going for a long time
To take a boxing belt off one of the best defensive fighters in a long time would be worth it alone
I hope it happens
Forget tee purity of the two different sports being lost by the mix
This would be a once in a lifetime chance to make history with two fighters at the top of their fighting sport

If Mc Gregor burns himself out by chasing the fight it will be all over in 3 rounds . Can see Mayweather working the jab and moving away at every hands turn .
Mc Gregor being used to up close contact would be best suited to trying to put Mayweather on the ropes and hitting with a barrage of uppercuts much like Tyson mastered and made bits of Bruno in the process
It's worth remembering that Mc Gregor has the harder jaw from the battering he has taken with harder gloves.

The man should be encourage to step in the ring and be applauded for having the ability to be able to do it .

Burial.

Floyd via DQ

Means Of Escape wrote: »

He would be barking mad not to take a shot at Mayweather
The pros totally outweigh the cons
Forget the money as he probably has enough to keep him going for a long time
To take a boxing belt off one of the best defensive fighters in a long time would be worth it alone
I hope it happens
Forget tee purity of the two different sports being lost by the mix
This would be a once in a lifetime chance to make history with two fighters at the top of their fighting sport

If Mc Gregor burns himself out by chasing the fight it will be all over in 3 rounds . Can see Mayweather working the jab and moving away at every hands turn .
Mc Gregor being used to up close contact would be best suited to trying to put Mayweather on the ropes and hitting with a barrage of uppercuts much like Tyson mastered and made bits of Bruno in the process
It's worth remembering that Mc Gregor has the harder jaw from the battering he has taken with harder gloves.

The man should be encourage to step in the ring and be applauded for having the ability to be able to do it .

Floyd is retired, he has no belts as he vacated them all. If McGregor won, he'd have no Boxing belt. Not that it matters, but seeing as you mention it. Once in a lifetime we can hope, absolute farce if both sports endorse these kind of Playstation matchups which f*ck with the integrity of both sports.

Easier said than done putting Mayweather up against the ropes. Also it's worth mentioning that Conor hasn't a hope inside as Mayweather is one of the finest inside fighters when needs be. MMA clinching is not applicable to inside game in Boxing. McGregor never was one to use uppercuts, and I find it quite laughable you mention Tyson. The only thing McGregor any Tyson have in common is that they've posed in a photograph together.

Better chin is also something I'd wager a fortune on Floyd having. Something people always seem to forget. Floyd could take one hell of a punch when he had to.

nacho libre

Floyd via DQ

Burial. wrote: »

Better chin is also something I'd wager a fortune on Floyd having. Something people always seem to forget. Floyd could take one hell of a punch when he had to.

The punch he took from Sugar Shane springs to mind. His detractors like to point out he held on, he did, but what they omit is if he didn't have a good chin he would have been knocked out cold from that punch.

Means Of Escape

Burial. wrote: »

Floyd is retired, he has no belts as he vacated them all. If McGregor won, he'd have no Boxing belt. Not that it matters, but seeing as you mention it. Once in a lifetime we can hope, absolute farce if both sports endorse these kind of Playstation matchups which f*ck with the integrity of both sports.

Easier said than done putting Mayweather up against the ropes. Also it's worth mentioning that Conor hasn't a hope inside as Mayweather is one of the finest inside fighters when needs be. MMA clinching is not applicable to inside game in Boxing. McGregor never was one to use uppercuts, and I find it quite laughable you mention Tyson. The only thing McGregor any Tyson have in common is that they've posed in a photograph together.

Better chin is also something I'd wager a fortune on Floyd having. Something people always seem to forget. Floyd could take one hell of a punch when he had to.

Mc Gregor will have to learn use upper cuts
He will be trained no doubt for his bout
Tysons uppercuts won him most fights but not against Lewis the great user of the jab

Start placing your bets as this will happen PS4 or not

Mixed martial arts messed up the integrity of the individual martial arts sport ,a bit of kickboxing and some judo thrown in then .

asteroids over berlin

This match is farcical (if it happens). Mayweather is a seasoned and former world champion boxer(vacated), mcgregor has no chance, plus any more than 2 rounds and mcgregor is usually huffing and puffing - he got lucky in the Diaz rematch. Joke of a fight!

Perfect for mcgregor though, money in the bag, he announces his retirement from fighting in general, lots of cash in the bank.

pablo128

Conor via DQ

asteroids over berlin wrote: »

This match is farcical (if it happens). Mayweather is a seasoned and former world champion boxer(vacated), mcgregor has no chance, plus any more than 2 rounds and mcgregor is usually huffing and puffing - he got lucky in the Diaz rematch. Joke of a fight!

Perfect for mcgregor though, money in the bag, he announces his retirement from fighting in general, lots of cash in the bank.

Mma rounds are 5 minutes each though, are they?

Mellor

Draw

Burial. wrote: »

. Once in a lifetime we can hope, absolute farce if both sports endorse these kind of Playstation matchups which f*ck with the integrity of both sports.

This match, if it happens, has nothing to do with MMA.
It's not "endorsed" by MMA. It'll be sanctioned my a boxing org, that's it. I don't see how MMA's integrity is effected.

pablo128 wrote: »

Mma rounds are 5 minutes each though, are they?

Yup 5 x 5mins for title fights.
In addition to the time, incorporating grappling makes it more energy intensive than boxing alone.

Burial.

Floyd via DQ

Mellor wrote: »

This match, if it happens, has nothing to do with MMA.
It's not "endorsed" by MMA. It'll be sanctioned my a boxing org, that's it. I don't see how MMA's integrity is effected.



Yup 5 x 5mins for title fights.
In addition to the time, incorporating grappling makes it more energy intensive than boxing alone.

Well the UFC and Dana White have to sign off on it don't they? And presumably they'll be getting a piece too. I scratch your back if you scratch mine. Assuming that then yes it's messing with both sports. You can't honestly think Conor will just buy out his contract to become a free agent?

Boxing matches last longer, which is a lot more significant than grappling as in a lot of fights, very little grappling actually occurs. Clinch work/inside game in Boxing is very demanding too if we're going there. MMA is very stop start, and concerns more explosive movements hence why brute force is favoured over cardio. Muscle mass favoured over conditioning. This is why guys like Chad Mendes would gas after two rounds in a Boxing ring and why legit cardio machines like Cain Velasquez were so dominant. But make no mistake about it, throw Cain in with a boxer of similar weight class and Cain would be gulping for air after two rounds or so.

Boxing is a far more intense and less stop/start sport. It's often seen guys in the UFC with their hands on their hips taking a a mutual breather during exchanges, do that in a Boxing ring and you're KO'd instantly. There's far less space to run and hide in a Boxing ring. Boxers require a much greater aerobic capacity due to the nature that fights simply last longer, and due to Boxing being far more intense and less stop/start you have to focus a lot more on your anaerobic capacity a lot more too. On the contrary increased muscle mass decreases anaerobic capacity.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

Both sports are very intense in cardio, but boxing is the more cardio intensive and explosive (aerobic and anerobic). It's 36 minutes. MMA rougher, boxing tougher!

Pighead

Conor via DQ

Burial. wrote: »

Well the UFC and Dana White have to sign off on it don't they? And presumably they'll be getting a piece too. I scratch your back if you scratch mine. Assuming that then yes it's messing with both sports. You can't honestly think Conor will just buy out his contract to become a free agent?

Think McGregor is covered by the 'Ali act' meaning he can go ahead and do this without the UFC's involvement should he so wish.

Means Of Escape

walshb wrote: »

Both sports are very intense in cardio, but boxing is the more cardio intensive and explosive (aerobic and anerobic). It's 36 minutes. MMA rougher, boxing tougher!

I disagree the required energy bursts of grappling and holding and hitting in a confined lock is energy sapping requiring further need for power to get free.
Holding in boxing though not tolerated gives the boxers a chance to move away and gather respite through defence .
In Mma the fighters are also subjected to a barrage of blows that inflict more damage to the face through elbow strikes
Cuts and painful lesions can stop a boxing fight but will be tolerated more in MMA
All in all a far more physically demanding sport on all muscle groups and the spine itself .

Burial.

Floyd via DQ

Means Of Escape wrote: »

I disagree the required energy bursts of grappling and holding and hitting in a confined lock is energy sapping requiring further need for power to get free.
Holding in boxing though not tolerated gives the boxers a chance to move away and gather respite through defence .
In Mma the fighters are also subjected to a barrage of blows that inflict more damage to the face through elbow strikes
Cuts and painful lesions can stop a boxing fight but will be tolerated more in MMA
All in all a far more physically demanding sport on all muscle groups and the spine itself .

As I said before, length of fight is far more significant than grappling...also, Boxing is far more intense rather than the stop/start nature of MMA. And I have seen time and time again fighters in the clinch against the cage notably taking breathers, just holding eachothers arms while gulping...they're given a lot more leeway. In Boxing, referees are stupidly quick to break it up and make them reset if this happens. So I fail to see your logic.

I think in terms of damage nothing comes even close to Boxing. Let's be real, elbow strikes aren't the meat and bones of striking in the MMA, they're used quite sparingly. MMA rules are very effective in stopping fights quickly. Such is not the case in Boxing. One knockdown and few added punches ends a fight in MMA. In MMA it's often seen that a fighter jumps to his feet and walks back to his corner after being KO'd. You're gonna need quite a few knockdowns in Boxing and even so fighters stagger up and keep going whilst being concussed.

Now it's a fine thing that happens in MMA that fighters are saved from themselves like that, I applaud them but in terms of physically demanding, there is no competition, Boxing is a life threatening practice every time you step in the ring. If you aren't physically prepared you're going to seriously danger your life. MMA affords lads the chance to tap out before they pass out or rip their arm off, and referee's are very quick to step in once a lad is knocked down and jumped on with flying fists. Such is not the case in Boxing.

walshb

Floyd via KO-TKO

It's simple: Boxing is both the toughest sport on earth and inherently the most dangerous. MMA is brutal, tough, energy sapping etc. It's still a notch below pro boxing.