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listermint

ricero wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing what changes the donald makes to us immigration policy. Hes the first president to actually tackle the problem head on and i wonder how he will deport over 2 million illigals with criminal records. If he does it succesfully he will be a hero to the american people

If think he can fund deportation of that volume of illegals, you are having a laugh.

He isnt the first nor the last president to 'tackle' the problem, the only difference this time is he is blustering about it.

Magic money tree.

Billy86

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Can you tell us what he has done that was not put before the electorate ?

That's a non sequitor, exactly as another posted pointed out you're so fond of the other day.

Either a) the role of AG did not change simply because Trump became president, in which case the following question is every bit as relevant now as it was in 2014 - why did they want to make sure that she would stand up to the president if they were going to just fire her for doing it?

or b) you think Trump does get to dictate what powers others have in government, and can fire all who do not show complete obedience, which is pretty much bang in line with an autocracy - "a system of government by one person with absolute power".

So which is it?

VinLieger

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Obama has issued 195 executive orders

Each one vetted by lawyers and the departments they concerned before signing them.

Bannon has scribbled ideas on a piece of paper without consulting anyone and then Trump has signed them with his eyes closed

darkpagandeath

Billy86 wrote: »

That's a non sequitor, exactly as another posted pointed out you're so fond of the other day.

Either a) the role of AG did not change simply because Trump became president, in which case the following question is every bit as relevant now as it was in 2014 - why did they want to make sure that she would stand up to the president if they were going to just fire her for doing it?

or b) you think Trump does get to dictate what powers others have in government, and can fire all who do not show complete obedience, which is pretty much bang in line with an autocracy - "a system of government by one person with absolute power".

Obama has issued 195 executive orders they all Illegal too ?

darkpagandeath

VinLieger wrote: »

Each one vetted by lawyers and the departments they concerned before signing them.

Bannon has scribbled ideas on a piece of paper without consulting anyone and then Trump has signed them with his eyes closed

Are you saying they did not look at the constitution or ask congress ?

Leroy42

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Obama has issued 195 executive orders they all Illegal too ?

Eo orders are not illegal, unless they contravene the existing laws in place.

I don't now how many of the 195 were overturned but the possibility was open to it on each of them. If they weren't is was because they were legally sound.

The AG has raised the possibility, and 3 judges have separetely concurred that there is a question over the legality of this EO.

Obama has nothing to do with it

VinLieger

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Are you saying they did not look at the constitution or ask congress ?

Yes do you even know what an EO is? It has nothing to do with congress. There has been no consultation between the departments expected to enact these EO's and by all accounts none have been vetted by any government lawyers before being signed

Trent Houseboat

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Obama has issued 195 executive orders

That's great.

Did he get in a tantrum and sack anyone who questioned them?
Did he work with departments and his AGs to make sure they were legal and workable?

ricero

listermint wrote: »

ricero wrote: »

Looking forward to seeing what changes the donald makes to us immigration policy. Hes the first president to actually tackle the problem head on and i wonder how he will deport over 2 million illigals with criminal records. If he does it succesfully he will be a hero to the american people

If think he can fund deportation of that volume of illegals, you are having a laugh.

He isnt the first nor the last president to 'tackle' the problem, the only difference this time is he is blustering about it.

Magic money tree.

Well once he secures the borders which he is trying to do then he will be able to successfully deport the serious criminals who are illigal in his country. Recent presidents said a lot about usa immigration policy but did **** all. The donald i feel will finally adress the problem

Leroy42

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Are you saying they did not look at the constitution or ask congress ?

That is exactly what they did. They didn't consult with Homeland Security, didn't get them checked for legality.

Hence the rear guard action that Trump is now fighting.

darkpagandeath

Leroy42 wrote: »

Eo orders are not illegal, unless they contravene the existing laws in place.

I don't now how many of the 195 were overturned but the possibility was open to it on each of them. If they weren't is was because they were legally sound.

The AG has raised the possibility, and 3 judges have separetely concurred that there is a question over the legality of this EO.

Obama has nothing to do with it

And that will go thorough he proper process.

darkpagandeath

Leroy42 wrote: »

That is exactly what they did. They didn't consult with Homeland Security, didn't get them checked for legality.

Hence the rear guard action that Trump is now fighting.

So the processes work...

Billy86

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Obama has issued 195 executive orders they all Illegal too ?

And again, that's a non sequitor, exactly as another posted pointed out you're so fond of the other day. We're not talking about executive orders. We're talking about firing people for doing their jobs.

So again... even though we both know you'll do anything to not answer the question.

Either a) the role of AG did not change simply because Trump became president, in which case the following question is every bit as relevant now as it was in 2014 - why did they want to make sure that she would stand up to the president if they were going to just fire her for doing it?

or b) you think Trump does get to dictate what powers others have in government, and can fire all who do not show complete obedience, which is pretty much bang in line with an autocracy - "a system of government by one person with absolute power".

Which is it?

Leroy42

You don't think it should be gone through before it is instigated?

listermint

ricero wrote: »

Well once he secures the borders which he is trying to do then he will be able to successfully deport the serious criminals who are illigal in his country. Recent presidents said a lot about usa immigration policy but did **** all. The donald i feel will finally adress the problem

The borders are secure, you are propagating the soundbites that background checks are not completed on people entering the country.

The US has one if not the most strict system in place for issuing Visa's.


And as for the wall nonsense on the southern border. not gonna happen there is literally no possibility of that keeping people out.

So which 'leaky' system are you talking about here because its not very clear. It is however abundantly clear that you have no notion of what it takes to get a US Visa.

darkpagandeath

Billy86 wrote: »

And again, that's a non sequitor, exactly as another posted pointed out you're so fond of the other day. We're not talking about executive orders. We're talking about firing people for doing their jobs.

So again... even though we both know you'll do anything to not answer the question.

Either a) the role of AG did not change simply because Trump became president, in which case the following question is every bit as relevant now as it was in 2014 - why did they want to make sure that she would stand up to the president if they were going to just fire her for doing it?

or b) you think Trump does get to dictate what powers others have in government, and can fire all who do not show complete obedience, which is pretty much bang in line with an autocracy - "a system of government by one person with absolute power".

Which is it?

When did Trump get Absolute power ? Must have missed that military action.

Leroy42

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So the processes work...

Right, so for that opinion to be true then Trump must welcome people questioning things.

He signs any old thing, lets the press, public and the legal guys pore through it and deals with any shortfalls.

Except of course he ignores the public, lambast the press the fires the legal people who raise any issues

Christy42

Great line in 538 digits of the day.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/significant-digits-for-tuesday-jan-31-2017/

On the eo that says two regulations must be struck down for every one signed in.

"This is fantastic news, as I have been a long-standing proponent of the idea that the government that governs best is the government that governs like it was cursed by a woods witch after getting caught in her garden in a German folktale."

The rule really does seem that way. It makes for a great sound bite. Terrible policy like damn near everything else he has done.

Billy86

ricero wrote: »

Well once he secures the borders which he is trying to do then he will be able to successfully deport the serious criminals who are illigal in his country. Recent presidents said a lot about usa immigration policy but did **** all. The donald i feel will finally adress the problem

Obama deported over 2.5mn illegal immigrants, and numbers leaving have exceeded numbers entering for his presidency, so you're kind of completely wrong there.

I don't have anything against deporting illegals, but what I do have an issue with is attempting to dropkick them all as fast as possible, because it's a remarkably effective way to do mangle the economies of many parts of the US.

26000 Elephants

darkpagandeath wrote: »

When did Trump get Absolute power ? Must have missed that military action.

Are you "defaulting to confused" as a tactic or are you genuinely not getting this?

The posters mention of 'absolute power' was in the context of a definition of "Autocracy". Your confusion is entirely your own.

Billy86

darkpagandeath wrote: »

When did Trump get Absolute power ? Must have missed that military action.

That's part of the question you're doing everything you possibly can not to answer - it's specifically laid out in option b and has been the 3 or 4 times you've dodged answering so far. As I said earlier, intentionally misunderstanding questions and pretending to not get the point are par for the course with you, because you really are quite predictable.

So again...

Either a) the role of AG did not change simply because Trump became president, in which case the following question is every bit as relevant now as it was in 2014 - why did they want to make sure that she would stand up to the president if they were going to just fire her for doing it?

or b) you think Trump does get to dictate what powers others have in government, and can fire all who do not show complete obedience, which is pretty much bang in line with an autocracy - "a system of government by one person with absolute power".

Which is it?

topper75

The AG is not (was not!) the president.

President Trump has not been granted, nor granted himself, additional powers beyond his predecessor.

Wheeliebin30

How can this be racist when he only bans people from 7 Muslim countries out of 56?

Surely an outright ban is racist.

Actually Islam isn't even a race.

darkpagandeath

26000 Elephants wrote: »

Are you "defaulting to confused" as a tactic or are you genuinely not getting this?

The posters mention of 'absolute power' was in the context of a definition of "Autocracy". Your confusion is entirely your own.

There is no context. America is not a Autocracy. He has a mandate.

darkpagandeath

topper75 wrote: »

The AG is not (was not!) the president.

President Trump has not been granted, nor granted himself, additional powers beyond his predecessor.

There is little point trying to explain. I mean I was being asked to come up with a CT on a Question in 2014..

ricero

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

How can this be racist when he only bans people from 7 Muslim countries out of 56?

Surely an outright ban is racist.

Actually Islam isn't even a race.

Exactly its the butt hurt liberals trying to paint the donald as anti-islam and racist. The same people who made hideous lies that he got rid of dr martin luther kings statue from the oval office

A Little Pony

I love the Roman Emperor feel to it, marvelous:D.

darkpagandeath

ricero wrote: »

Exactly its the butt hurt liberals trying to paint the donald as anti-islam and racist. The same people who made hideous lies that he got rid of dr martin luther kings statue from the oval office

Do you remember them laughing about saying he would not implement anything. No he has it's unconstitutional and taking over power. Cant make it up.

VinLieger

ricero wrote: »

Exactly its the butt hurt liberals trying to paint the donald as anti-islam and racist. The same people who made hideous lies that he got rid of dr martin luther kings statue from the oval office

He talked about banning all Muslims in his campaign, your saying thats not anti-muslim?

darkpagandeath

VinLieger wrote: »

He talked about banning all Muslims in his campaign, your saying thats not anti-muslim?

Is it Racist ?