Increase of bio in diesel

pa990

As from 1/1/17

The bio content in petrol and diesel will be increased to 8%

The result... more cost to the consumer.
Bio is more expensive than regular fuel, so petrol will be increasing by about a penny, and diesel will be up by 2c.


Happy New year

_Kaiser_

pa990 wrote: »

As from 1/1/17

The bio content in petrol and diesel will be increased to 8%

The result... more cost to the consumer.
Bio is more expensive than regular fuel, so petrol will be increasing by about a penny, and diesel will be up by 2c.


Happy New year

yea got a email from Topaz an hour ago advising me that this was coming in and would result in increased charges and revised calculations for the fuel card I still have with them.

Between rising rents forcing people further out, and then rising fuel costs, there'll be a lot of commuters who most certainly will feel that extra 2c

grogi

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

yea got a email from Topaz an hour ago advising me that this was coming in and would result in increased charges and revised calculations for the fuel card I still have with them.

Between rising rents forcing people further out, and then rising fuel costs, there'll be a lot of commuters who most certainly will feel that extra 2c

What's more, the increased amount of bio components puts additional pressure on food prices, as more land is allocated to bio-fuels and less is available to produce food.

Biofuel is one of the biggest scams of our times...

R.O.R

I got the mail yesterday and while the price is concerning, I'm more concerned by the fact diesel is now going to be 8% biofuel whereas current EN590 allows a max 7% - are modern cars set up to run at more than 7% Biofuel?

My car has a "No Biofuel" warning in the fuel filler.

_Kaiser_

R.O.R wrote: »

I got the mail yesterday and while the price is concerning, I'm more concerned by the fact diesel is now going to be 8% biofuel whereas current EN590 allows a max 7% - are modern cars set up to run at more than 7% Biofuel?

My car has a "No Biofuel" warning in the fuel filler.

That's a valid point.. is this an EU-wide thing or just something we're doing here in Ireland? Should we be checking this with manufacturers?

coylemj

How is bio more expensive than petrol or diesel given that a huge element of the price of fuel is excise? Shouldn't the addition of bio bring the price down - or does bio attract excise when it's added to fuel?

Seweryn

coylemj wrote: »

does bio attract excise when it's added to fuel?

It does . And it is most expensive to produce, so in the end it costs more.

coylemj

Seweryn wrote: »

It does . And it is most expensive to produce, so in the end it costs more.

And adding more bio further reduces the energy (megajoules) contained in each litre of mix that goes into your tank so your litres per km will increase meaning that you lose on consumption and on price per litre - double whammy.

Ethanol has only 2/3 the energy of unleaded, measured in megajoules per litre.

frozenfrozen

Good thing our cars will be put into lower co2 brackets now that we're burning cleaner fuel.


oh they wont?

oh. right.

so we're just paying more for literally no tangible difference except for the extra expense. Cool ok

Atlantic Dawn

They probably don't even calculate the emissions or energy used to create the bio content in their green thinking bolloxology and just slap themselves on the back with a well done.

Will it mean a new dodgy smell coming from the exhausts now, kind of chipvanish?

pa990

Less mpg, less power, more cost.

Brilliant.

pa990

http://paultan.org/2015/06/08/b10-biodiesel-bmw-malaysia/

Some interesting reading

More frequent oil changes will be prudent, 8% is a tad high but shouldn't be problematic with correct maintenance.

pa990

Augeo wrote: »

More frequent oil changes will be prudent, 8% is a tad high but shouldn't be problematic with correct maintenance.

In a country where a problem will only be attended to after an NCT fail, and where 30k oil changes are seen as the minimum requirement, for short journeys over a 2 or 3 yr period.


I'd love to have the option to buy diesel with 0% bio, that isn't green. (Likewise I'd like to be able to buy pure petrol as well with no ethanol )

Charles Babbage

grogi wrote: »

Biofuel is one of the biggest scams of our times...

Well, you are obviously not Arlene Foster.

gctest50

pa990 wrote: »

In a country where a problem will only be attended to after an NCT fail, and where 30k oil changes are seen as the minimum requirement, for short journeys over a 2 or 3 yr period.

There'll be conrods making a break for freedom all over the country

Unless you upgrade your car in time to the latest model which is 100% B10 compatible

pa990

gctest50 wrote: »

There'll be conrods making a break for freedom all over the country

Unless you upgrade your car in time to the latest model which is 100% B10 compatible

No intention of buying new.

I'll stick to spirited driving and 15k oil and filter changes

pajor

pa990 wrote: »

As from 1/1/17

The bio content in petrol and diesel will be increased to 8%

Is this an Irish thing or EU?

Some googling hasn't produced anything for here in NL. But in Belgium from 1 Jan, regular 95 RON unleaded will be completely replaced by E10.

Kevin!

Will this boost the octane level of the fuel?

Jimmy Garlic

grogi wrote: »

Biofuel is one of the biggest scams of our times...

It is up there with wind farms, another giant scam. Using productive agricultural land to produce biofuel is abhorrent.

BorneTobyWilde

Biodiesel produces more PPM more Nox ironically. Considering what we have learnt about diesel in last few years one would thing biodiesel would be banned.

BorneTobyWilde

HVO IS THE NEW GREEN FUEL
It's a renewable diesel fuel , biodiesel will disappear soon as HVO is a better fuel and uses the same feedstock.

listermint

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

It is up there with wind farms, another giant scam. Using productive agricultural land to produce biofuel is abhorrent.

The only way this country ,nay the world will survive is Wind Farms, Solar and Wave Power.

Storage of this power is key where the likes of tesla battery cells or similar will be and should be the norm at every end user home.

This crap about calling every new technology a scam is hilarious, some of you may not have noticed the Poles having a 20 Degree Temperature spike this week.

Scam indeed. as they say once its gone its gone (the ice that is)


Good lack........................im off to the pub.

pa990

Kevin! wrote: »

Will this boost the octane level of the fuel?

Diesel is measured by cetane, not octane.
Bio will have a lower cetane value, so the refinery will add extra chemicals (2-ehn) to keep the cetane number at a minimum of 51

Kevin!

pa990 wrote: »

Diesel is measured by cetane, not octane.
Bio will have a lower cetane value, so the refinery will add extra chemicals (2-ehn) to keep the cetane number at a minimum of 51

OP says it's applicable to petrol and diesel

https://www.epa.ie/media/Chapter10_Environment_Transport.pdf

The Biofuels Obligation Scheme, which places an obligation on suppliers
of transport fuels to ensure that 6% (by volume) of petrol
and diesel is produced from renewable sources, e.g.
ethanol and biodiesel, is set to increase this obligation to
8% from 2017 (NORA, 2016)

pa990

Kevin! wrote: »

OP says it's applicable to petrol and diesel

https://www.epa.ie/media/Chapter10_Environment_Transport.pdf

I am the op.

I'm not sure about octane levels in petrol.
Ethanol is a shīt fuel anyway.
Less power, less storage time, burns faster

Jimmy Garlic

listermint wrote: »

The only way this country ,nay the world will survive is Wind Farms, Solar and Wave Power.

What we need are some modern nuclear reactors.. But the eco-luddites who still view nuclear from a 1970s perspective won't allow it.

gctest50

Kevin! wrote: »

Will this boost the octane level of the fuel?

Octane / Cetane ( for daysul ) is a measure of knock-resistance ( more knock-resistance = you run higher compression etc = squeeze more power out of it )

Bit different to how much power is in each pint of fuel

listermint wrote: »

This crap about calling every new technology a scam is hilarious, some of you may not have noticed the Poles having a 20 Degree Temperature spike this week.

It's not some amazing "new technology" - engines have ran on all sorts - benzine etc etc

Making fuel out of food ( growing areas ) is possibly one of the worst ideas ever

jca

listermint wrote: »

The only way this country ,nay the world will survive is Wind Farms, Solar and Wave Power.

Storage of this power is key where the likes of tesla battery cells or similar will be and should be the norm at every end user home.

This crap about calling every new technology a scam is hilarious, some of you may not have noticed the Poles having a 20 Degree Temperature spike this week.

Scam indeed. as they say once its gone its gone (the ice that is)


Good lack........................im off to the pub.

Lack? Enjoy the pub.

pa990

Increased cetane number, creates a quicker detonation, a more complete fuel burn, and increased power.

I'll try and find a link

steddyeddy

gctest50 wrote: »

Octane / Cetane ( for daysul ) is a measure of knock-resistance ( more knock-resistance = you run higher compression etc = squeeze more power out of it )

Bit different to how much power is in each pint of fuel




It's not some amazing "new technology" - engines have ran on all sorts - benzine etc etc

Making fuel out of food ( growing areas ) is possibly one of the worst ideas ever

1st generation biofuels are made from food stock, 2nd generation aren't.