Travellers protesting the lodging of refugees in a local authority house(read post 1)

nhunter100

LexieOnRale wrote:

Meanwhile the homeless are dying in the local supermarket trolley bays freezing to death in minus temperatures.

In Castlebar?

Widdershins

gitzy16v wrote: »

FTFY

Legs as long as a telephone wire

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nhunter100 wrote: »

In Castlebar?

In this country that's paying for refugees all over the country.

nhunter100

LexieOnRale wrote:

In this country that's paying for refugees all over the country.

What?

Wolf Club

Money spent on providing shelter for homeless people and money spent on supporting refugees aren't mutually exclusive. There are many many other things that the government spend money on. Would you make the same argument re: homeless people at the news that the Pope is visiting Ireland? Cos that's surely going to cost a lot more than Ireland taking in a few hundred refugees.

Wheeliebin30

Wolf Club wrote: »

Money spent on providing shelter for homeless people and money spent on supporting refugees aren't mutually exclusive. There are many many other things that the government spend money on. Would you make the same argument re: homeless people at the news that the Pope is visiting Ireland? Cos that's surely going to cost a lot more than Ireland taking in a few hundred refugees.

We could use the same logic that there is irish people who can't get a job.

But if we sack all foreigners we could hire those irish people in their place.

Job done.

Sure shouldn't we be looking after our own with jobs first seems charity starts at home?

currants

Wolf Club wrote: »

Money spent on providing shelter for homeless people and money spent on supporting refugees aren't mutually exclusive. There are many many other things that the government spend money on. Would you make the same argument re: homeless people at the news that the Pope is visiting Ireland? Cos that's surely going to cost a lot more than Ireland taking in a few hundred refugees.

It seems like some people can't or won't differentiate between economic migrants and Syrian refugees. Last year we took in less than 200 Syrians.

Widdershins

Wolf Club wrote: »

Money spent on providing shelter for homeless people and money spent on supporting refugees aren't mutually exclusive. There are many many other things that the government spend money on. Would you make the same argument re: homeless people at the news that the Pope is visiting Ireland? Cos that's surely going to cost a lot more than Ireland taking in a few hundred refugees.

I think 16-20,000 as an eventual figure was mentioned in this thread, not a few hundred. You're underestimating the cost of supporting them too. There are areas where money's wasted on extravagance when it could be put to better use helping the needy but that's a separate issue and does not negate the issue under discussion here.
If you can't support the needy here you can't support any other needy people. Common sense.

nhunter100

Wheeliebin30 wrote:

But if we sack all foreigners we could hire trope irish people in their place.

So removing 10s of thousands of foreign workers from the economy is a good thing? Queue the loss of thousands of service sector jobs retail etc as demand plummets.

snubbleste

Wolf Club wrote: »

Money spent on providing shelter for homeless people and money spent on supporting refugees aren't mutually exclusive. ...

I disagree.
There are only X resources available, for example accommodation.
How can the State find permanent local authority accommodation for Syrian refugees at short notice when there are:
a) people homeless on the streets, in hotel rooms and hostels
b) 100k+ people on housing lists
c) ~500 people stuck in direct provision but cannot get move-on accommodation after getting irish citizenship

The State should be prioritising its own citizens first in all cases, but for some reason it's not happening when it comes to accommodation.

Mortpourvelo

sondagefaux wrote: »

How is ISIS a threat to Ireland? Have they attacked Ireland?

September 10th, 2001 - NYC.

"How is Al Qaeda a threat to the USA mainland ? Have Al Qaeda attacked the USA mainland?"

Remove head from sand please.

jmayo

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Were they wearing their "I'm an Irish citizen" t-shirts?

What a bloody stupid thing to say, they were obivously killed at random not because they were Irish citizens, or because they were from Ireland or had anything to do at all with Ireland.

They were killed because they are white westerners, pure and simple.
ISIS don't differentiate between French, British, American, Irish.
We are all infidels to them and the sooner some people cop on this fact then we will all be a lot better off.
al qaeda are not much better and as can be seen from the teachings and utterances of radical imams based in Western countries they have the much the same view of Western secular christian or atheist citizens.

But of course to some Ireland and the Irish is somehow immune.
Shure aren't we a great bunch loved by everyone. :rolleyes:
When the fook are some people going to cop on we are not that special or unique.

As for being a target we host major HQs for some of Americans greatest and most conspicuous multinationals.
But of course to some they wouldn't be a target at all. :rolleyes:

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Yes, because everyone loved refugees before this. What a load of bollox.

By diverting resources to the economic migrants sitting in Calais, or groping their way around Germany, the poor ones not rich enough to afford boat rides across the med are left sitting in camps in Jordan or Lebanon with shag all resources.

Wolf Club

snubbleste wrote: »

I disagree.
There are only X resources available, for example accommodation.
How can the State find permanent local authority accommodation for Syrian refugees at short notice when there are:
a) people homeless on the streets, in hotel rooms and hostels
b) 100k+ people on housing lists
c) ~500 people stuck in direct provision but cannot get move-on accommodation after getting irish citizenship

The State should be prioritising its own citizens first in all cases, but for some reason it's not happening when it comes to accommodation.

The state doesn't seem to be prioritising anyone, Census figures have shown that there are 260,000 unoccupied dwelling in the country (198,000 when holiday homes are excluded)

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/census-2016-number-of-vacant-houses-scandalous-1.2722435

Again, those two things don't have to be mutually exclusive. I'll agree that the government has been ineffective with tackling the homeless crisis, but there should be provisions with tackling this and the refugee crisis

Mortpourvelo

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

September 10th, 2001 - NYC.

"How is Al Qaeda a threat to the USA mainland ? Have Al Qaeda attacked the USA mainland?"

Remove head from sand please.

And what does that have to do with taking in refugees?

Mortpourvelo

bubblypop wrote: »

And what does that have to do with taking in refugees?

The comment was made "what threat are ISIS to Ireland ?"

But to your query - can you be CERTAIN that NONE of the refugees are ISIS ?

Until you can, none should get in.

Widdershins

Widdershins wrote: »

I think 16-20,000 as an eventual figure was mentioned in this thread, not a few hundred. You're underestimating the cost of supporting them too. There are areas where money's wasted on extravagance when it could be put to better use helping the needy but that's a separate issue and does not negate the issue under discussion here.
If you can't support the needy here you can't support any other needy people. Common sense.

Where are you getting this figure From? I heard approx 4000, altogether, plus the 200 or so from Calais.
Why does everyone assume that state will have to support them? Maybe these people are better educated than us?
What makes you think that they won't work?

Mortpourvelo

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

The comment was made "what threat are ISIS to Ireland ?"

But to your query - can you be CERTAIN that NONE of the refugees are ISIS ?

Until you can, none should get in.

Ridiculous.
Do you know if anyone in Ireland now are members of Isis?

This is not Minority report, police are not psychic.
This is exactly the same as banning all Irish Catholics because they may be members of the IRA

conorhal

bubblypop wrote: »

Where are you getting this figure From? I heard approx 4000, altogether, plus the 200 or so from Calais.
Why does everyone assume that state will have to support them? Maybe these people are better educated than us?
What makes you think that they won't work?

Jesus I get tired of having to explain the basics to people.
Even Simon Coveny admits that family reunification will bump that 4,000 by aprox an additional 20k.
As for the laughable notion that we won't be supporting these migrants....
If you're still laboring under the misaprehension that we're about to get flooded with 'doctors and engineers' that has also been well debunked with evidence from Germany showing that two thirds if migrants had only basic or no literacy at all. I'm eager to know what work these individuals, especially those with little or no English, will be doing exactly?

snubbleste

Wolf Club wrote: »

The state doesn't seem to be prioritising anyone, Census figures have shown that there are 260,000 unoccupied dwelling in the country (198,000 when holiday homes are excluded)
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/census-2016-number-of-vacant-houses-scandalous-1.2722435
Again, those two things don't have to be mutually exclusive. I'll agree that the government has been ineffective with tackling the homeless crisis, but there should be provisions with tackling this and the refugee crisis

Again, how is it the State gives priority to Syrian refugees over those of homeless citizens or those on the housing list?
Surely Syrian refugees should be just dumped in a town and told to "call the freephone" every night for a hostel bed indefinitely whilst trying to stay on the social housing list for the next decade?

Mortpourvelo

bubblypop wrote: »

Ridiculous.
Do you know if anyone in Ireland now are members of Isis?

This is not Minority report, police are not psychic.
This is exactly the same as banning all Irish Catholics because they may be members of the IRA

Apples and oranges.

The IRA had proscribed targets - ISIS are compelled to "destroy the Infidel".

Do some research.

Mortpourvelo

conorhal wrote: »

Jesus I get tired of having to explain the basics to people.
Even Simon Coveny admits that family reunification will bump that 4,000 by aprox an additional 20k.
As for the laughable notion that we won't be supporting these migrants....
If you're still laboring under the misaprehension that we're about to get flooded with 'doctors and engineers' that has also been well debunked with evidence from Germany showing that two thirds if migrants had only basic or no literacy at all. I'm eager to know what work these individuals, especially those with little or no English, will be doing exactly?

You're talking sense - therefore will be shouted down.

Ulysses Gaze

conorhal wrote: »

Jesus I get tired of having to explain the basics to people.
Even Simon Coveny admits that family reunification will bump that 4,000 by aprox an additional 20k.
As for the laughable notion that we won't be supporting these migrants....
If you're still laboring under the misaprehension that we're about to get flooded with 'doctors and engineers' that has also been well debunked with evidence from Germany showing that two thirds if migrants had only basic or no literacy at all. I'm eager to know what work these individuals, especially those with little or no English, will be doing exactly?

Some stats for you from the FT on the situation in Germany.

According to official statistics, of the nearly 300,000 refugees currently registered as looking for work, 74 per cent have had no vocational training and a quarter do not even have a school-leaving certificate. Nine per cent have a degree.

There is also evidence that thousands are slipping through the cracks of a system that is supposed to ensure nearly everyone is either in work or education. Figures from the Federal Employment Agency, released late last month, showed that 131,000 refugees are neither employed nor enrolled on any courses or training programmes.

https://www.ft.com/content/d5d0bb96-49a8-11e6-8d68-72e9211e86ab

currants

conorhal wrote: »

Jesus I get tired of having to explain the basics to people.
Even Simon Coveny admits that family reunification will bump that 4,000 by aprox an additional 20k.
As for the laughable notion that we won't be supporting these migrants....
If you're still laboring under the misaprehension that we're about to get flooded with 'doctors and engineers' that has also been well debunked with evidence from Germany showing that two thirds if migrants had only basic or no literacy at all. I'm eager to know what work these individuals, especially those with little or no English, will be doing exactly?

Migrants, including economic migrants, not the same group as Syrian refugees. I get tired of having to explain the basics of the difference between refugees fleeing a war zone where they are being bombed, shot and held in rape camps and economic migrants fleeing poverty. This thread is about Syrian refugees, not economic migrants.
In 2015 only 34% of those claiming asylum in Germany were Syrians. That figure also includes those people who entered Germany under fake Syrian passports.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130000

Mortpourvelo

currants wrote: »

Migrants, including economic migrants, not the same group as Syrian refugees. I get tired of having to explain the basics of the difference between refugees fleeing a war zone where they are being bombed, shot and held in rape camps and economic migrants fleeing poverty. This thread is about Syrian refugees, not economic migrants.
In 2015 only 34% of those claiming asylum in Germany were Syrians. That figure also includes those people who entered Germany under fake Syrian passports.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36130000

Show me how you tell the difference ?

Because the back row of the Afghan XV masquerading as "vulnerable kiddies" couldn't be checked so how do you differentiate??

Could it possibly be that a genuine refugee fleeing for their life is actually in a refugee camp near Syria as they were just glad to be out and the economic migrants are here having passed through 14 different safe countries and are now being prioritised over homeless Irish people ?

Widdershins

bubblypop wrote: »

Ridiculous.
Do you know if anyone in Ireland now are members of Isis?

This is not Minority report, police are not psychic.
This is exactly the same as banning all Irish Catholics because they may be members of the IRA

How would anyone know if even the families (allegedly) don't know until it's too late. The two separate incidents recently of jihadists threatening and going for flatmates in Cork illustrated this very clearly. Nobody expected anything of the sort from them. Someone else has just explained the difference between the IRA and ISIS so I won't add to that.
There's already a list of people who left the country to join ISIS and a recent high profile case where the state tried to deport the ringleader and recruiter for ISIS in Ireland. How anyone could be in any doubt as to their existence here is a mystery.

end of the road

Mortpourvelo wrote: »

September 10th, 2001 - NYC.

"How is Al Qaeda a threat to the USA mainland ? Have Al Qaeda attacked the USA mainland?"

Remove head from sand please.

again that's not an answer to the question of how isis is a threat to ireland. also, refugees aren't prioritised over irish homeless.

snubbleste

end of the road wrote: »

also, refugees aren't prioritised over irish homeless.

Really? Refugees are allocated permanent social housing after 3 months. Irish homeless are stuck in emergency accommodation indefinitely.

dav3

conorhal wrote: »

Jesus I get tired of having to explain the basics to people...

It must be difficult when so many people don't listen to your shouty daily mail rants.

The refugees are coming, no amount of hysterical tabloid stories will stop it. If you have a problem with it I'll gladly drive you to the airport.

Mortpourvelo

snubbleste wrote: »

Really? Refugees are allocated permanent social housing after 3 months. Irish homeless are stuck in emergency accommodation indefinitely.

Today’s paper, P15 “Another homeless man dies”

P17 “Irish Navy to travel to Lebanon to bring back 420 refugees”.

If you have places for 420 people, YOU GIVE THEM TO OUR OWN FREEZING TO DEATH ON THE STREETS.

How can anyone disagree with that ?

Mortpourvelo

dav3 wrote: »

It must be difficult when so many people don't listen to your shouty daily mail rants.

The refugees are coming, no amount of hysterical tabloid stories will stop it. If you have a problem with it I'll gladly drive you to the airport.

So we have no choice but to leave our own country so others can come in ????

You for real ???