Dairy chit chat II

rangler1

mf240 wrote: »

Your enthusiasm is almost infectious.

Its called realism, there's easily double the Public disService hours put in our place..... imagine at our next group discussion on sheep profit monitor if I put in €80 - 100000 labour charge...i'd be laughed outa the yard and then convince them that that's all we have to do to get ICM to put up the price of lamb 20%

Timmaay

Maize done and dusted finally! Was hit and miss today, with some heavy showers this morning! 1st ever time growing it here, steep enough learning curve for me! I'll admit this extra 40acres of land I've taken on this year has left me under pressure (its needed a decent bit of work), there is a hell of alot to be said for what I was at the last 3 years, 90/100 cows on the 110ac here and buying in maize, grass silage and the few incalf heifers!

Water John

Did you use the plastic?

Timmaay

Water John wrote: »

Did you use the plastic?

Yep!

Water John

It would need a bit of shelter tonight, any way.

alps

rangler1 wrote: »

Its called realism, there's easily double the Public disService hours put in our place..... imagine at our next group discussion on sheep profit monitor if I put in €80 - 100000 labour charge...i'd be laughed outa the yard and then convince them that that's all we have to do to get ICM to put up the price of lamb 20%

So you've been content being under paid.....id hope the dairy lads have a bit more pride than that.....hence the disillusionment with costings being touted without proper own labour costs.

visatorro

23 litres, 3.68 fat, 3.54 protein. Nearly half the herd to be dried off in July. Feck all grass. Need heat. Under pressure next week as the grass I have is across the road but Iv no one to help bring them across the road!

Two bulls with cows now. Both working hard so far!

Mooooo

visatorro wrote: »

23 litres, 3.68 fat, 3.54 protein. Nearly half the herd to be dried off in July. Feck all grass. Need heat. Under pressure next week as the grass I have is across the road but Iv no one to help bring them across the road!

Two bulls with cows now. Both working hard so far!

Do u need to slow down the rotation? Put in silage or up the meal a bit maybe?

visatorro

Mooooo wrote: »

Do u need to slow down the rotation? Put in silage or up the meal a bit maybe?

Trying to avoid silage but I mightnt get away with it. They're back at four kilos of 14% nut. It's not unusual for me to be feeding and cutting silage at the same time!!

leg wax

and on the 7th day of rest legs tank overflowit ......:D

Dwag

alps wrote: »

.....id hope the dairy lads have a bit more pride than that......

Pride.

Isn't that what comes before a fall?


Just messing.

Dwag

Timmaay wrote: »

Maize done and dusted finally! Was hit and miss today, with some heavy showers this morning! 1st ever time growing it here, steep enough learning curve for me! I'll admit this extra 40acres of land I've taken on this year has left me under pressure (its needed a decent bit of work), there is a hell of alot to be said for what I was at the last 3 years, 90/100 cows on the 110ac here and buying in maize, grass silage and the few incalf heifers!

This place is gone to shyte...

The jihadists should have your head off for planting maize on the bit of land you've expanded on...:)

Hope it goes well for you.

Dwag

Opinion poll today puts Le Pen slightly ahead of Macron in presidential race...

She has pledged to remove France completely from the EU.
This will immediately result in the collapse of the € and the fragmentation of the EU...

So...back to the Punt...no sfp etc.
Future for dairy, lamb etc?
Future for gov bonds?




Ps. It's labor weekend so she's bound to have gotten a bounce in the polls.

darragh_haven

Dwag wrote: »

Opinion poll today puts Le Pen slightly ahead of Macron in presidential race...

She has pledged to remove France completely from the EU.
This will immediately result in the collapse of the € and the fragmentation of the EU...

So...back to the Punt...no sfp etc.
Future for dairy, lamb etc?
Future for gov bonds?




Ps. It's labor weekend so she's bound to have gotten a bounce in the polls.

I'll exchange all my euro for dollars if Le Pen gets in. But i doubt she will.

Whats can dairy guys do, but carry on regardless utill a change/collapse in the Euro zone is comfirmed

freedominacup

Dwag wrote: »

Opinion poll today puts Le Pen slightly ahead of Macron in presidential race...

She has pledged to remove France completely from the EU.
This will immediately result in the collapse of the € and the fragmentation of the EU...

So...back to the Punt...no sfp etc.
Future for dairy, lamb etc?
Future for gov bonds?




Ps. It's labor weekend so she's bound to have gotten a bounce in the polls.

Wtf are people in the western world in general thinking of. We've had seventy years in the west where no one has done more than had a rant in a meeting and the most poverty stricken have a lifestyle beyond the imagination of the wealthiest people a century ago and they want nutters like le pen to change things??

We've come a long way in the wrong direction since I first read about her oul boy and his glamourous daughter who was to be the new face of Nazism twenty plus years ago. The article was about a journalist/left wing activist who has gotten several hidings from her party members for turning up to meetings and rallies in "le Pen, le Nazi" t-shirts. That poor guy has faded to obscurity and these headbangers have gone from strength to stength.

Dwag

freedominacup wrote: »

Wtf are people in the western world in general thinking of. We've had seventy years in the west where no one has done more than had a rant in a meeting and the most poverty stricken have a lifestyle beyond the imagination of the wealthiest people a century ago and they want nutters like le pen to change things??

We've come a long way in the wrong direction since I first read about her oul boy and his glamourous daughter who was to be the new face of Nazism twenty plus years ago. The article was about a journalist/left wing activist who has gotten several hidings from her party members for turning up to meetings and rallies in "le Pen, le Nazi" t-shirts. That poor guy has faded to obscurity and these headbangers have gone from strength to stength.

Agree.
Rabble rousing. She comes from wealth and never did a days work in her life...except career politician, and yet workers and even farmers will vote for her. Populism and a lack of a real candidate (Macron) could push her over the line.
Europe is fast becoming polarized. Can't be good.

Dwag

darragh_haven wrote: »

I'll exchange all my euro for dollars if Le Pen gets in. But i doubt she will.

Whats can dairy guys do, but carry on regardless utill a change/collapse in the Euro zone is comfirmed

I'd be changing those €s before she gets in.

I've a Punt zone hedge...

darragh_haven

Dwag wrote: »

I'd be changing those €s before she gets in.

I've a Punt zone hedge...

Ireland would be better of adopting Sterling rather than going back to the pubt (i don't know if thats even possible).
But, i honestly don't think it'll cime to that. Macron will win by the skin of his teeth, and Ireland will pump out dairy and beef..
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Fingers crossed

Dwag

darragh_haven wrote: »

Ireland would be better of adopting Sterling rather than going back to the pubt (i don't know if thats even possible).
But, i honestly don't think it'll cime to that. Macron will win by the skin of his teeth, and Ireland will pump out dairy and beef..
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Fingers crossed

Probably.
I wouldn't cry after the Euro though...except for the fact that I've a few quid tied up in the wrong Euro state. If I was in Germany I'd be cheering it...

freedominacup

Dwag wrote: »

Probably.
I wouldn't cry after the Euro though.

I would. If you were operating in this country would you really want to give the monkeys in the dept of finance and the central bank the keys to the banana plantation again? The eurozone might have been a contributory factor in our boom/bust but without the euro in the period after the bust I shudder to think where costs would have gone.

Dwag

freedominacup wrote: »

I would. If you were operating in this country would you really want to give the monkeys in the dept of finance and the central bank the keys to the banana plantation again? The eurozone might have been a contributory factor in our boom/bust but without the euro in the period after the bust I shudder to think where costs would have gone.

True about the monkeys!

Outside of the Euro we'd have our economic tools back and not be a vassal of Frankfurt...
Being outside the Euro doesn't necessarily mean being outside the EZ.
Our hand was forced to bail out the banks. With our own currency we could have done it a lot differently and saved the future generations a €65bn debt.

kowtow

freedominacup wrote: »

I would. If you were operating in this country would you really want to give the monkeys in the dept of finance and the central bank the keys to the banana plantation again? The eurozone might have been a contributory factor in our boom/bust but without the euro in the period after the bust I shudder to think where costs would have gone.

It's a very good point that - it's also one of the reasons the UK don't understand the apparent determination of some Eurozone states to stick it out.

I remember nearly falling off my chair when a Spanish hedge fund manager explained it to me - "no matter how much it hurts staying in the Euro it's a price worth paying for Merkel et. al. to run our country."

Some countries - or perhaps just the middle classes of those countries - can't bear the thought of self-government.

freedominacup

Dwag wrote: »

True about the monkeys!

Outside of the Euro we'd have our economic tools back and not be a vassal of Frankfurt...
Being outside the Euro doesn't necessarily mean being outside the EZ.
Our hand was forced to bail out the banks. With our own currency we could have done it a lot differently and saved the future generations a €65bn debt.

Our hand wasn't that forced. Incompetent politicians and civil servants got turned over by people better in charge of their brief. These are the same incompetents that would once again be in charge of the economic tool kit in the event of the euro failing. The lads who pulled out all the stops to be as pro cyclical as possible from 2000-2007 actively fueling the boom. I'll pass on that if I have the option.

You're living and working in France for a while. You have a bit of a large country mindset at this stage. Don't forget there are farms with a bigger land area than this country and numerous companies with revenues larger than our GDP. You'd hardly suggest those companies would be better off with their own currency despite the fact that they would have a lot more financial expertise and probably cash available to them to run this currency.

kowtow

freedominacup wrote: »

Our hand wasn't that forced. Incompetent politicians and civil servants got turned over by people better in charge of their brief. These are the same incompetents that would once again be in charge of the economic tool kit in the event of the euro failing. The lads who pulled out all the stops to be as pro cyclical as possible from 2000-2007 actively fueling the boom. I'll pass on that if I have the option.

You're living and working in France for a while. You have a bit of a large country mindset at this stage. Don't forget there are farms with a bigger land area than this country and numerous companies with revenues larger than our GDP. You'd hardly suggest those companies would be better off with their own currency despite the fact that they would have a lot more financial expertise and probably cash available to them to run this currency.

It's a complex question that but there is no doubt whatsoever that costs, particularly labour related costs, are way too rich here for the production they buy.

You can see it staring blankly back at you from the agricultural competitiveness paper - we're fine & competitive, so long as our farmers dont expect the kind of wages needed to live in this country

If farmers were paid in punt and the punt floated freely everything Teagasc say about being the most competitive dairy farmers in the world would come true.

freedominacup

kowtow wrote: »

Some countries - or perhaps just the middle classes of those countries - can't bear the thought of self-government.

If you can point to one decade since the foundation of this state where the economy was managed in a competent manner you might begin to convince me of the merits of self government in this country. The problems began when Michael Collins walked through Dublin castle after the brits left and when asked what he wanted to do with the civil servants in the dept who had been trained in what was the British cs replied "shur they seem to be doing a grand job, leave them at it". This cs always had the backup of a Whitehall chequebook and to this day the idea that someone from outside will pick up the tab permeates the Irish cs. I wouldn't classify my fear as being of self government more about fear of the mindset of the permanent and political government.

kowtow

freedominacup wrote: »

If you can point to one decade since the foundation of this state where the economy was managed in a competent manner you might begin to convince me of the merits of self government in this country. The problems began when Michael Collins walked through Dublin castle after the brits left and when asked what he wanted to do with the civil servants in the dept who had been trained in what was the British cs replied "shur they seem to be doing a grand job, leave them at it". This cs always had the backup of a Whitehall chequebook and to this day the idea that someone from outside will pick up the tab permeates the Irish cs. I wouldn't classify my fear as being of self government more about fear of the mindset of the permanent and political government.

I know what you mean, and I find it hard to disagree with you, although I think the Romantic in me would rather choose self government on it's own merits and stick firmly to it, in the hope that people would eventually learn to protect and cherish their hard won sovereignty by electing politicians honest enough and capable of governing.

Outsourcing government to the EU is hardly going to make us better at looking after ourselves?

freedominacup

kowtow wrote: »

I know what you mean, and I find it hard to disagree with you, although I think the Romantic in me would rather choose self government on it's own merits and stick firmly to it, in the hope that people would eventually learn to protect and cherish their hard won sovereignty by electing politicians honest enough and capable of governing.

Outsourcing government to the EU is hardly going to make us better at looking after ourselves?

We've a surefit of romantic nationalists already kt without you going all misty eyed on us.

Dwag

What happens if Le Pen wins and gets her way?
The EZ will break up and the € will be history.
The fancy trick of booking profits through the tax haven would be history.
What then?

Dwag

freedominacup wrote: »

Our hand wasn't that forced. Incompetent politicians and civil servants got turned over by people better in charge of their brief. These are the same incompetents that would once again be in charge of the economic tool kit in the event of the euro failing. The lads who pulled out all the stops to be as pro cyclical as possible from 2000-2007 actively fueling the boom. I'll pass on that if I have the option.

You're living and working in France for a while. You have a bit of a large country mindset at this stage. Don't forget there are farms with a bigger land area than this country and numerous companies with revenues larger than our GDP. You'd hardly suggest those companies would be better off with their own currency despite the fact that they would have a lot more financial expertise and probably cash available to them to run this currency.

My point is that this my be reality soon.

Brexit has opportunities but EU collapse removes the tax evasion trick that completely underpins the economy.

C0N0R

Great news! Being paid in a currency tied to the dollar mightn't be so bad after all!