Dairy chit chat II

alps

whelan2 wrote: »

What’s the reason for this? I was going to start recording again this year

I am sure costs have gone up. It's still not expensive for what it is. I am amazed how many farmers dont milk record at all[/QUOTE]

"Costs gone up" is never a reason to allow any company to raise the cost of a service to you..

Who are you going to transfer that cost to?

If costs have gone up, the company has to look within, to find some other place to remove those costs....

In general, it farmers' greatest weakness...allowing cost creep....

An immediate offset to this, would be to tell the company that you will now record every second year...in a way, you only need to have the heifers done...

Every second year will give you a perfect, clear picture of what you need to cull...

whelan2

I know that they find it very hard to break even on the milk recording part of the business

visatorro

whelan2 wrote: »

What’s the reason for this? I was going to start recording again this year

I am sure costs have gone up. It's still not expensive for what it is. I am amazed how many farmers dont milk record at all[/quote]

I stopped the last year with poor milk prices. Was going to start up again this year

whelan2

visatorro wrote: »

I am sure costs have gone up. It's still not expensive for what it is. I am amazed how many farmers dont milk record at all

I stopped the last year with poor milk prices. Was going to start up again this year[/quote]

I record every 6 weeks.

whelan2

They could do with passing back some of their profits to their shareholders. Possibly in reduced milk recording costs?

blackdog1

whelan2 wrote:

They could do with passing back some of their profits to their shareholders. Possibly in reduced milk recording costs?

Ha good luck they are still charging 2400 a tonne for milk powder when the price of whey dropped below 600 euro a tonne. Maybe next time they put up a board about dropping prices someone should ask them are we going to get a 30% reduction on powder price....

whelan2

blackdog1 wrote: »

Ha good luck they are still charging 2400 a tonne for milk powder when the price of whey dropped below 600 euro a tonne. Maybe next time they put up a board about dropping prices someone should ask them are we going to get a 30% reduction on powder price....

Pg?

Mooooo

Check out @MikaylaMorden’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/MikaylaMorden/status/953417270373552130?s=09

darragh_haven

Mooooo wrote: »

Check out @MikaylaMorden’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/MikaylaMorden/status/953417270373552130?s=09

What's does duration of estrus mean?

yosemitesam1

darragh_haven wrote: »

What's does duration of estrus mean?

Time in heat

kowtow

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Environment, nitrates and cross compliance inspection this am.
Medicines, prescriptions and ear tags at the same time...

Passed with flying colors.
Giving a talk this evening on Irish dairying.
Court date for pollution on Wednesday.

Have fingers xxxd for Dawg this morning, he's up in front of the beak, confronted by the seeing-eye dog and the eight by ten colour photographs with circles and arrows on the back...

Reggie.

kowtow wrote: »

Have fingers xxxd for Dawg this morning, he's up in front of the beak, confronted by the seeing-eye dog and the eight by ten colour photographs with circles and arrows on the back...

Almost forgot about that

alps

Grasslands session 3 poorly prepared...pity...not done justice to speakers...you can't just go up there and "wing it"

Manifests in that the Internet has gone extremely slow....reckon everyone is on the phone...or leaving

mahoney_j

http://www.france24.com/en/20180117-french-police-raid-lactaclis-headquarters-salmonella-scanda
Dwag any comments or opinions on this scandal rocking French dairying atm

Buford T. Justice XIX

alps wrote: »

Grasslands session 3 poorly prepared...pity...not done justice to speakers...you can't just go up there and "wing it"

Manifests in that the Internet has gone extremely slow....reckon everyone is on the phone...or leaving

Most won't have the problem of taking on labour other than relief milking so not an issue for them. Or me either but interesting to hear how they structure their operations all the same.

Say my name

Any take home messages or new ideas from the conference from either of ye (Buford and alps).

Gawddawggonnit

kowtow wrote: »

Have fingers xxxd for Dawg this morning, he's up in front of the beak, confronted by the seeing-eye dog and the eight by ten colour photographs with circles and arrows on the back...

Got done for €2k and a €900 ‘donation’ to the water police for the 90cubic mètres of water I polluted...they must need a few new guns.
Yes many many many photos, but none of the three judges were blind.

A guy a few cases before me got done for €5k and 3.3% pénalité on his sfp. Probably sore enough as he farms over 500ha...
His crime was to allow roundup to drift onto a Ntz. Seems it took out an average of 1.5m of grass in the Ntz.

Gawddawggonnit

mahoney_j wrote: »

http://www.france24.com/en/20180117-french-police-raid-lactaclis-headquarters-salmonella-scanda
Dwag any comments or opinions on this scandal rocking French dairying atm

Scandal indeed.
Lactalis is owned by the Besnier family. Private company whose owners themselves are very private. No accounts published and booked through Luxembourg (I think). Seems they pocketed the extra revenue from butter last year. Suppliers not allowed to protest etc.
TO for ‘17 was 17.3bln.
They refuse to publish accounts...the fine for this is 2% of TO per day... they just give the gov the finger.
Under Macrons new project of establishing a guaranteed margin back to the farmer, the gov need the books...

There was very serious xposé on Fr2 tv last night that was supposedly very scandalous indeed. I didn’t see it myself but it’s the talk of the country. Seems the program was broad and far reaching...they also did some investigating in either IRL or NZ about wrecking the environment.

Maybe Kowtow might watch it and give us a synopsis. I think it’s a couple of hours long. I’ll have a look when I’ve time.

***Should be on YouTube under “Cash Investigation, Lactalis”***

alps

Say my name wrote: »

Any take home messages or new ideas from the conference from either of ye (Buford and alps).

Good session on labour.."Must I do everything?"

Great presentations on how you can get better productivity out of your own and your staff time..clear and very simple message here for me was "milk the cows early in the evening..." simplest way to structure a day..

Financial targets for a new era is a brave new look at what was out profit monitor...labour charge included, it will strive to report the farm financial performance in profit,cash flow, and return on asset terms. Most of the current inputs exist on the old PM input sheets, but will also need asset value and drawings to complete...

Lunch was a non vegen dish and very well received..

alps

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Most won't have the problem of taking on labour other than relief milking so not an issue for them.

Very valid point...

mahoney_j

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Scandal indeed.
Lactalis is owned by the Besnier family. Private company whose owners themselves are very private. No accounts published and booked through Luxembourg (I think). Seems they pocketed the extra revenue from butter last year. Suppliers not allowed to protest etc.
TO for ‘17 was 17.3bln.
They refuse to publish accounts...the fine for this is 2% of TO per day... they just give the gov the finger.
Under Macrons new project of establishing a guaranteed margin back to the farmer, the gov need the books...

There was very serious xposé on Fr2 tv last night that was supposedly very scandalous indeed. I didn’t see it myself but it’s the talk of the country. Seems the program was broad and far reaching...they also did some investigating in either IRL or NZ about wrecking the environment.

Maybe Kowtow might watch it and give us a synopsis. I think it’s a couple of hours long. I’ll have a look when I’ve time.

***Should be on YouTube under “Cash Investigation, Lactalis”***

Will it have a knock on effect for milk price do u think

Buford T. Justice XIX

Say my name wrote: »

Any take home messages or new ideas from the conference from either of ye (Buford and alps).

Alps basically covered it there.

One thing that struck me as I was driving home is, with the stabilisation of dairy farm numbers and increase in numbers in a herd, there are going to be a lot of farmers stuck in no-mans land in terms of being too low in numbers for a part/full time employee and being too big for one man to tackle on his own.

The after lunch presentation was geared more for those setting up second units and I thought it had a few interesting points. Allocation of responsibility. Communication between employer and employee. The need for some way of enabling employees to build up equity for themselves. Some structures to allow employees to progress towards full manager/owner of a farm if they want to progress in that direction.

Say my name

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

they also did some investigating in either IRL or NZ about wrecking the environment.

***Should be on YouTube under “Cash Investigation, Lactalis”***

It was NZ.

I watched the first 20 minutes. Farmers giving out about the price of milk and companies making record profits and not passing it back and farmers going out of business and protesting with trailer loads of car tyres. Then contrasting the situation in France to the situation in NZ.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
But I bet you knew well it was NZ and stuck in Ireland for a reaction.

I was informed at a meeting on Monday night that water quality on the worst waterways in this country has improved and the rest are holding their own but as always are heavily monitored and even more so now by teagasc and dept as well.
We've a derogation in this country and it's being pushed out till (2022?) and we've a new scheme out now to allow an increase in phosphorus levels on low index soils.

I'm tired of this crap of running down and posting without facts on Ireland's biggest forum just to get someone to post back the truth. I'm surprised I'm the only one who counters this crap too.

Anyways serious pissed off rant over.
But talk ****e long enough and people believe ****e.

I think I need a holiday and let the rest of ye pick up the slack.

Wildsurfer

Say my name wrote: »

It was NZ.

I watched the first 20 minutes. Farmers giving out about the price of milk and companies making record profits and not passing it back and farmers going out of business and protesting with trailer loads of car tyres. Then contrasting the situation in France to the situation in NZ.

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt.
But I bet you knew well it was NZ and stuck in Ireland for a reaction.

I was informed at a meeting on Monday night that water quality on the worst waterways in this country has improved and the rest are holding their own but as always are heavily monitored and even more so now by teagasc and dept as well.
We've a derogation in this country and it's being pushed out till (2022?) and we've a new scheme out now to allow an increase in phosphorus levels on low index soils.

I'm tired of this crap of running down and posting without facts on Ireland's biggest forum just to get someone to post back the truth. I'm surprised I'm the only one who counters this crap too.

Anyways serious pissed off rant over.
But talk ****e long enough and people believe ****e.

I think I need a holiday and let the rest of ye pick up the slack.

I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt, we are well aware of his tactics by now. He knew well it was NZ and not Ireland.

alps

Wildsurfer wrote: »

I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt, we are well aware of his tactics by now. He knew well it was NZ and not Ireland.

Bet he presented us as a shining light at that conference...

Say my name

Wildsurfer wrote: »

I wouldn't give him the benefit of the doubt, we are well aware of his tactics by now. He knew well it was NZ and not Ireland.

Ah I don't like picking on anyone. Genuinely.
I've been on the receiving end myself under a different username.
But I don't get all the hatred for (and glee shown about anything negative in) irish agriculture more specifically dairy farming.
I'm proud of what I do day in day out.

I just don't get it.
Realism yes. But ****e. No.

whelan2

Say my name wrote: »

Ah I don't like picking on anyone. Genuinely.
I've been on the receiving end myself under a different username.
But I don't get all the hatred for (and glee shown about anything negative in) irish agriculture more specifically dairy farming.
I'm proud of what I do day in day out.

I just don't get it.
Realism yes. But ****e. No.

There is an ignore function on boards to block posts from those you dont like.

Say my name

whelan2 wrote: »

There is an ignore function on boards to block posts from those you dont like.

The world can't ignore comments posted here though.
This is a worldwide public forum.

yewtree

alps wrote: »

Good session on labour.."Must I do everything?"

Great presentations on how you can get better productivity out of your own and your staff time..clear and very simple message here for me was "milk the cows early in the evening..." simplest way to structure a day..

Financial targets for a new era is a brave new look at what was out profit monitor...labour charge included, it will strive to report the farm financial performance in profit,cash flow, and return on asset terms. Most of the current inputs exist on the old PM input sheets, but will also need asset value and drawings to complete...

Lunch was a non vegen dish and very well received..

I thought it was a very good day as usually with IGA. I left early been to a few labour things over the year didn't really get anything new from Pat Dillon. Although it was good to hear him say the target should be to maintain dairy farm numbers at current levels.

The session on financial targets was very good, nice to see farmers involved in creating an alternative to the profit monitor reports. I think someone from this parish was heavily involved.
I was very impressed with Kevin Ahearn from shinagh, seems to be a serious operator.

mf240

Say my name wrote: »

Ah I don't like picking on anyone. Genuinely.
I've been on the receiving end myself under a different username.
But I don't get all the hatred for (and glee shown about anything negative in) irish agriculture more specifically dairy farming.
I'm proud of what I do day in day out.

I just don't get it.
Realism yes. But ****e. No.

Ah he's full of shyte sometimes but sure arent we all. Think your taking him too seriously.