Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

walshb

Conor trained in Crumlin years back and then took a different direction. He did not win or "achieve" anything of note in boxing. No different than many many who pass through the doors of boxing clubs. But somehow now he handles trained and dedicated intermediates based off him being an MMA fighter, and off having been a member of a boxing club maybe 10-12 years ago, oh and because an ex trainer spoke praisingly about him.

Edit: Wiki report that Conor won an All Ireland Title at youth level, 15/16....that is something of note.

Maybe someone can confirm this? It would have been circa 2003/2004....

Mellor

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't they ban him from the boxing club because he was doing that MMA?

From reading comment from various people, and the line of events. I don;t think he was banned, he continued to box at the club while he was training in MMA.
He left the boxing club at 17 and had his first MMA fight at 18.

walshb wrote: »

Conor trained in Crumlin years back and then took a different direction. He did not win or "achieve" anything of note in boxing. No different than many many who pass through the doors of boxing clubs. But somehow now he handles trained and dedicated intermediates based off him being an MMA fighter, and off having been a member of a boxing club maybe 10-12 years ago, oh and because an ex trainer spoke praisingly about him.

walshb wrote: »

Mellor, it is not that I don't rate him. His best trait is his stand up striking/boxing, and had he stayed with boxing maybe he could have won intermediate and senior titles, and more. He didn't. Trying to make a claim that he would handle intermediate boxers due to him having boxed years ago is ridiculous to me. Could he do well? Sure, but against decent intermediates he would be at a distinct disadvantage. Apart from a punchers chance I'd see him getting taken care of.

For the sake of completeness, I believe he won a boys national title. Maybe that's not noteworthy in your view, maybe that's fair but if he never competed past that level, what else could he wim?
It's hardly a stretch to thing he might have continued that into junior/inter/senior titles, if he continued.

Just to be really clear, I'm not claiming the he would handle an intermediate because is an MMA fighter. That would be ridiculous. Most MMA fighters would be school by intermediate boxers. No all of course.

I'm basing it on the fact that boxers, who boxed in that club with Conor have said it. People who seen him boxing at 16 and 17 and said he would showing up most lads in the gym at that time. IIRC is was a boxer forum poster.

Mellor

Had a quick look about there, in addition to the Boys national title mentioned above. He also won Novice Championships at 17 (2006).


Walshb, or anybody, what are the criteria for a boxer to be promoted from novice to intermediate to senior?
In martial arts like jiu jitsu its based on rank, obviously not the case in boxing

wonderfullife

walshb wrote: »

Sutcliffe Senior was hardly not going to big up Conor..

To be fair Conor is really good friends with Sutcliffe Junior so I suppose it's not exactly an impartial opinion.

Conor Wallace was very impressed with his boxing as well but again that's probably not an unbiased opinion.

There's no way of proving or disproving either side to this though without Conor getting in the ring with a boxer. If that boxer happens to be Floyd, then we can only judge his skills on what we see go down.

walshb

Mellor wrote: »

Had a quick look about there, in addition to the Boys national title mentioned above. He also won Novice Championships at 17 (2006).


Walshb, or anybody, what are the criteria for a boxer to be promoted from novice to intermediate to senior?
In martial arts like jiu jitsu its based on judo, obviously not the case in boxing

I did note in my post on this page that he won an Irish youth title. That is of note....Aged 15 and 16 for these titles back when he was competing. As far as I know he did not win a boys title. He won a youth title.

I am a little confused here now. If he won a youth Irish title pre 2006, something does not add up as regards him winning a Novice tilte in 2006 aged 17.

Can't be a novice after you have already been competing and winning Irish titles as a boy or youth, youth in Conor's case according to wikipedia.

Novice competitors are aged 17 and upwards with less that 3/4 fights I believe back in 2006 or thereabouts. Rules are different today. Aged 17 and upwards and up to 10 fights.

That is why I asked someone to maybe confirm IF Conor did indeed win an Irish youth title. If he did not, then it's possible he won a novice title aged 17 in 2006.

I have never heard of a youth Irish champion then going on to win a Novice Irish title. It doesn't make sense. It's a step backwards, and as far as I know it doesn't happen. Novices are pretty much beginners for adults or 17 and upwards.

Not saying it is not true that he won a Novice Title aged 17. Just doesn't seem to add up as per the rules.

Did he win a Youth title in 2004 or 2005 and still somehow qualify as a Novice aged 17 in 2006? How so?..

It would need some explaining and information providing.

walshb

Mellor,

Regarding the Novice title you mentioned. Did you get it from

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/the-secret-behind-conor-mcgregors-striking-skills/

Phil Sutcliffe:

“He trained very, very hard, he was one of the kids you never had to shout at, he was very focused. He wanted to be a good boxer and he was getting good, he was progressing well. He won a few novice titles and boxed on plenty of shows to learn his trade but before he became a Junior he found another love and packed it in."

If so that seems a little blase. A few Novice titles....I'd like to know exactly what these were?

Also, depending on what you read it seems Conor had circa 40 amateur boxing bouts. How he could be a Novice in 2006 is odd, when his boxing career was pretty much over close to then...aged 17 and a novice yet a youth champion aged 15 or 16 with close on 40 bouts under his belt? That needs explaining.

Ultimate Seduction

He still trains boxing with Steve Collins brother regularly enough, it's not long he just stopped boxing completley when he started MMA

darced

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walshb

darced wrote: »

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I don't seem to think that.

There is a difference between doing a few pads and training using boxing compared to specific dedication. You do realise this, no?

Conor has been boxing training (among a lot of other training) since he gave up boxing specific training as a boy and teen. I am well aware of this. He left the sport of boxing to pursue the sport of MMA. All MMA fighter train in boxing. Doesn't make them boxers. Conor left the sport years ago.

Mellor

walshb wrote: »

Did he win a Youth title in 2004 or 2005 and still somehow qualify as a Novice aged 17 in 2006? How so?.

I think the issue may be taking Wikipedia at face value.
I think whoever wrote that means "youth" in the general English language sense, rather than the specific boxing meaning.
If you look at the citation for that line it actually says he won a title "as a kid". Which probably implies schoolboy over youth.
I was basing it on what people from the club in crumlin have said.
The novice championships plaque is visible on the mantel in the Notorious documentary. Along a few other boxing trophys.

If he won a boys title in 2003 but never fought as a junior/youth in 2004/2005. Could he compete as a novice first time out as a 17 year old in 2006?

Gamebred

Parenthood is getting to him already, hes strung out on big ''Macs'' already...

walshb

Mellor wrote: »

I think the issue may be taking Wikipedia at face value.
I think whoever wrote that means "youth" in the general English language sense, rather than the specific boxing meaning.
If you look at the citation for that line it actually says he won a title "as a kid". Which probably implies schoolboy over youth.
I was basing it on what people from the club in crumlin have said.
The novice championships plaque is visible on the mantel in the Notorious documentary. Along a few other boxing trophys.

If he won a boys title in 2003 but never fought as a junior/youth in 2004/2005. Could he compete as a novice first time out as a 17 year old in 2006?

Hence why I was asking questions. Anyone can update wiki.

It seems odd to me that aged 17 in 2006 he was winning a novice title.

Novices are pretty much only adults, or those aged 17 and older. He was competing as 12 year old according to sources, and he won a youth title, or boy title depending on how true it is.

Phil throws around "won a few novice titles," whatever that means. It seems all over the place

Anyway, regardless, he is not and has not been a boxer the past 12 or so years....The best intermediates that I have seen would IMO have far too much for him. He could give a good account, no doubt, but he would not be at their level.

Fromvert

Have his boxing titles ever been confirmed? Surely there are records or photos floating around the internet if it happened
I don't think I've ever seen any proof of it apart from some very vague talk of amateur/junior/novice title(s)

- in his first UFC fight it was mentioned
- that Phil Sutcliffe piece
- fans of his on the internet

Seems like it was something that was thrown out as quick 'promotional' soundbite to try and get a cross he's very good striker making his debut and 'yeah he won a novice titles' in another promotional piece from an ex coach. And then fans heard this and ran with it.

Mellor

walshb wrote: »

Conor has been boxing training (among a lot of other training) since he gave up boxing specific training as a boy and teen. I am well aware of this. He left the sport of boxing to pursue the sport of MMA. All MMA fighter train in boxing. Doesn't make them boxers. Conor left the sport years ago.

How many hours do you think he as put into boxing and boxing technique since he left the sport 11 years ago.

walshb

Mellor wrote: »

How many hours do you think he as put into boxing and boxing technique since he left the sport 11 years ago.

I wouldn't know....

I do know that striking and stand up are his best assets in the Octagon....

He is a boxer type MMA fighter.

Wheeliebin30

Lads he doesn't even have a jab:)

It would be an embarrassment with floyd.

Gamebred

Pissing in the wind here lads, irrelevant discussion, boxing talk is a waste of time till a fight is actually announced more likely to appear in wwe I think personally than boxing.

walshb

Fromvert wrote: »

Have his boxing titles ever been confirmed? Surely there are records or photos floating around the internet if it happened
I don't think I've ever seen any proof of it apart from some very vague talk of amateur/junior/novice title(s)

- in his first UFC fight it was mentioned
- that Phil Sutcliffe piece
- fans of his on the internet

Seems like it was something that was thrown out as quick 'promotional' soundbite to try and get a cross he's very good striker making his debut and 'yeah he won a novice titles' in another promotional piece from an ex coach. And then fans heard this and ran with it.

I have seen nothing concrete as regards his success as a boxer when he was competing. wikipedia doesn't count unless backed up, hence my asking questions on it.

The whole novice titles thing is strange and doesn't add up, but maybe someone can shed light on it.

Frank Bullitt

Gamebred wrote: »

Pissing in the wind here lads, irrelevant discussion, boxing talk is a waste of time till a fight is actually announced more likely to appear in wwe I think personally than boxing.

Its even more irrelevant when you realize that its to give him a few domestic titles/wins/competitions to give him a boxers chance against Floyd Mayweather.

Its entertaining a bit though.

riffmongous

Gamebred wrote: »

Pissing in the wind here lads, irrelevant discussion, boxing talk is a waste of time till a fight is actually announced more likely to appear in wwe I think personally than boxing.

He'd be just copying Floyd :P

weldoninhio

riffmongous wrote: »

He'd be just copying Floyd :P

Sure isn't he already doing that with his whole Money McGregor persona.

wonderfullife

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

Lads he doesn't even have a jab:)

It would be an embarrassment with floyd.

Who needs a jab when he can just use his spinning back-kicks :P

Actually, on a serious level I wonder will Floyd insist on some sort of Disqualification clause to try protect him from shenanigans?

I.e. If Conor decides to randomly wheel kick his face off, he forfeits some or all of his fight purse?

Burial.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Who needs a jab when he can just use his spinning back-kicks :P

Actually, on a serious level I wonder will Floyd insist on some sort of Disqualification clause to try protect him from shenanigans?

I.e. If Conor decides to randomly wheel kick his face off, he forfeits some or all of his fight purse?

Forfeiting his purse would be the least of his worries if he decides to kick him.

EagererBeaver

wonderfullife wrote: »

Actually, on a serious level I wonder will Floyd insist on some sort of Disqualification clause to try protect him from shenanigans?

I.e. If Conor decides to randomly wheel kick his face off, he forfeits some or all of his fight purse?

I don't think there's anything serious about that at all to be honest. I imagine the likelihood of it happening is miniscule.

jcd5971

Burial. wrote:

Forfeiting his purse would be the least of his worries if he decides to kick him.

Why would it be least of his worries?
I'd imagine it would be his only worry sure what else could happen

Depp

jcd5971 wrote: »

Why would it be least of his worries?
I'd imagine it would be his only worry sure what else could happen

I'm fairly sure going outside the rules that severely could lead to assault charges, probably a humongous civil case too, especially with how high profile it would be

dashoonage

Jaysus lads.....

Spudman_20000

IF the fight did happen, Conor should rough things up a bit early on, maybe a sneaky low blow or a shot or 2 to the back of the head. No referee in his right mind is going to disqualify him in a superfight like this. Even if a point or 2 is taken, what's the big deal anyway.

Maidana roughed things up in his first fight with Floyd, with some success it must be said.

Gamebred

https://www.instagram.com/p/BT5v-R0jElH/?taken-by=gervontaa


Floyd starting training camp last night out for a run....

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

https://www.instagram.com/p/BT5v-R0jElH/?taken-by=gervontaa


Floyd starting training camp last night out for a run....

Paschal Collins said in a podcast today that he has been drafted in by Conor to do the Floyd Camp, hinting starting June.

"Something big I can't discuss too much involving a fighter from a different sport, hopefully it'll be signed shortly and I can say more then in the media"