Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Gamebred

I dont think its happening (actually sick talking about it tbh) but ill say this, thats the first bit of training Ive seen Floyd do in a long time, he said he hasnt been in the gym since his last fight with Berto, probably just investing time into his new protege (davis).

walshb

Not sure why Floyd would even need a training camp for this....

EagererBeaver

Gamebred wrote: »

I dont think its happening (actually sick talking about it tbh) but ill say this, thats the first bit of training Ive seen Floyd do in a long time, he said he hasnt been in the gym since his last fight with Berto, probably just investing time into his new protege (davis).

I think he's more been doing a highly lucrative "an evening with..." tour. I'd be surprised if Floyd genuinely put in any face time with any other Mayweather Promotions fighter.

Frank Bullitt

Gamebred wrote: »

https://www.instagram.com/p/BT5v-R0jElH/?taken-by=gervontaa


Floyd starting training camp last night out for a run....

He still trains like this all the time, even when he was "retired" before. His discipline for conditioning is crazy.

I remember hearing on the Rogan podcast, his guest was saying they were in a club, Kevin heart was there I think, along with Mayweather. 4am rolls around and Floyd says " I gotta bounce, have to do my roadwork"

Insane.

Inviere

Gintonious wrote: »

He still trains like this all the time, even when he was "retired" before. His discipline for conditioning is crazy.

I remember hearing on the Rogan podcast, his guest was saying they were in a club, Kevin heart was there I think, along with Mayweather. 4am rolls around and Floyd says " I gotta bounce, have to do my roadwork"

Insane.

You sure it wasn't just to get away from Kevin Heart?

Frank Bullitt

Inviere wrote: »

You sure it wasn't just to get away from Kevin Heart?

Touche, good sir.

wonderfullife

2 bits of Dana White 'Conor news':

Dana says he takes full responsibility for losing the September 16th date to Canelo-GGG because he couldn't get the deal done - on the UFC side with Conor!! Says he's continuing to work on it but will come a point soon where he has to walk away from it if he can't even get the deal done on his own end, nevermind Floyd's end.

He discussed the challenge of dealing with fighters with massive egos.

In the next clip, Dana says Conor told him he wants to fight twice this year. If that's true probably looking at a similar turnaround to last year (August 20th/November 12th).

The subtext for all this seems to be Dana telling Conor to cut the BS if he really wants this fight, he needs to lower his demands.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBmvUkmP8AA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgC9aAxmnY

Mellor

wonderfullife wrote: »

2 bits of Dana White 'Conor news':

Dana says he takes full responsibility for losing the September 16th date to Canelo-GGG because he couldn't get the deal done - on the UFC side with Conor!!

Translation: Conor didn't agree with the cut that the UFC wanted.

In the next clip, Dana says Conor told him he wants to fight twice this year. If that's true probably looking at a similar turnaround to last year (August 20th/November 12th).

When scheduling event locatins, they skipped UFC 215, which would make sense to be held on August 19th. We can probably draw some more conclusions once they announce the venue..

The subtext for all this seems to be Dana telling Conor to cut the BS if he really wants this fight, he needs to lower his demands.

Devils Advocate, but I don't the above carries much weight without know what the demands of either side are. If the UFC are proposing a 70/30 split in their favour, Conor is right to tell them to piss off imo.

Gamebred

The main stumbling block for the UFC is Conor retiring, not a hope hes going to fight for say 50 or 60m minimum then go back for 3m show money against a killer, so for that reason alone it wont be happening.

wonderfullife

Mellor wrote: »

Translation: Conor didn't agree with the cut that the UFC wanted.



When scheduling event locatins, they skipped UFC 215, which would make sense to be held on August 19th. We can probably draw some more conclusions once they announce the venue..


Devils Advocate, but I don't the above carries much weight without know what the demands of either side are. If the UFC are proposing a 70/30 split in their favour, Conor is right to tell them to piss off imo.

Yeah I don't know what the offer was on either end but Dana is certainly trying to use the media to send a clear message to Conor that whatever split he's pushing ain't happening.

Gamebred wrote: »

The main stumbling block for the UFC is Conor retiring, not a hope hes going to fight for say 50 or 60m minimum then go back for 3m show money against a killer, so for that reason alone it wont be happening.

I've heard people say he'll just retire but I honestly think he just flat out loves fighting and MMA.

Even with 60 million from Floyd what's he gonna do? Retire and sit on his hoop or do movies?

He'll fight on for 3 or 4 years regardless of what happens with Floyd. He's only 28 and you're a long time retired in sports.

Gamebred

He's worth lets say 20m now, add another 50m for a fight purse plus god knows what in sponsorships if the fight was made, you reckon he will motivate himself to go fight the likes of Khabib or Diaz 3 after it? I just cant see it and I dont think the UFC can hence why they'll demand too much % cut of the fight purse to ensure it doesnt happen, GSP return in doubt they need him desperately now.

wonderfullife

Gamebred wrote: »

He's worth lets say 20m now, add another 50m for a fight purse plus god knows what in sponsorships if the fight was made, you reckon he will motivate himself to go fight the likes of Khabib or Diaz 3 after it? I just cant see it and I dont think the UFC can hence why they'll demand too much % cut of the fight purse to ensure it doesnt happen, GSP return in doubt they need him desperately now.

For a start, I don't know where people are getting this idea he's worth $20 million. It might be right but I don't see how it's that low.

He's made $8.5 million in pure Fight Purses in his last 5 fights. That's just the traditional show/win money alone. Those 5 fights did 6.4 million PPV buys combined and he's reportedly on the top tier ($5). That's another $32 million.

On top of that his Reebok, Budweiser and BSN etc deals come to $2 million per year for the last few years. He also (reportedly) made 7 figures between his Call of Duty and Iron Fist gigs.

I'm not his accountant but I'd be very surprised if his net worth is not closer to $40 million than $20 million.

So why would he bother fighting Eddie Alvarez in November last year? If you're already worth say $30 million going into the fight, why even bother training?

For what? The money? The belt? The history?

I get what people are saying about the Floyd money but that argument has already been and gone - he could easily have called it a day after the Diaz 2 fight if all he cares about is the money.

Whelo79

Get in. Get rich. Get out. - Conor McGregor, August 2014. Twitter.

wonderfullife

Is it so hard to believe that Conor might just love fighting and Mixed Martial Arts and at this point be more interested in leaving behind a legacy rather than just making money?

By legacy I don't mean trying to do a Mighty Mouse and defend his belt a dozen times. Something more like being a 3-weight-world-champion and/or defeating interesting opponents in big fights whether it's Cody moving up, GSP moving down, Nate trilogy, etc.

wonderfullife

Whelo79 wrote: »

Get in. Get rich. Get out. - Conor McGregor, August 2014. Twitter.

True but he's already rich? Even if you say he's worth $30 million that's rich beyond most peoples wildest dreams.

If money is all that concerns him then why would another $50 million do the trick when $30 million clearly isn't?

I dunno. I just think he loves fighting and loves martial arts. I don't see him walking away from the UFC until he's 30 at least.

Whelo79

I agree, he clearly loves his time in the octagon. He's said many times before that's where he feels most at ease. His reaction after Diaz 2 back in the dressing room "what a ****in knock" repeated over and over to JK and Roddy proves how much he enjoys it.

But when you have the chance to double/treble your wealth with one fight, it's going to be hard coming back to tougher physical fights for 1/10th of the purse after that.

He already has a legacy of being the first champ champ. It's the flip of a coin for me if he ever returns to MMA if the Mayweather fight happens.

dashoonage

20million wont last too long on the Gucci and Rolls Royce lifestyle hai!

wonderfullife

dashoonage wrote: »

20million wont last too long on the Gucci and Rolls Royce lifestyle hai!

Ha, if he has his eye on Private Planes then 50 million won't last long either.

At the end of the day there's every likelihood Floyd beats him if it comes together. I don't see Conor retiring on the back of a loss with peoples lasting impression of him potentially being KO'd or embarrassed.

He'll be back.

Now, if he somehow KO's Floyd....

The Ayatolla

Agree with wonder.

We're talking about the guy who gassed out, got smacked & tapped out in front of millions and returned to be an even bigger star.

Gamebred

wonderfullife wrote: »

For a start, I don't know where people are getting this idea he's worth $20 million. It might be right but I don't see how it's that low.

He's made $8.5 million in pure Fight Purses in his last 5 fights. That's just the traditional show/win money alone. Those 5 fights did 6.4 million PPV buys combined and he's reportedly on the top tier ($5). That's another $32 million.

On top of that his Reebok, Budweiser and BSN etc deals come to $2 million per year for the last few years. He also (reportedly) made 7 figures between his Call of Duty and Iron Fist gigs.

I'm not his accountant but I'd be very surprised if his net worth is not closer to $40 million than $20 million.

So why would he bother fighting Eddie Alvarez in November last year? If you're already worth say $30 million going into the fight, why even bother training?

For what? The money? The belt? The history?

I get what people are saying about the Floyd money but that argument has already been and gone - he could easily have called it a day after the Diaz 2 fight if all he cares about is the money.

Your assuming as much as I am, nobody but he and his accountant knows what hes worth but weather hes made 30 40 or 50 million he hasnt got that just laying around in the bank, hes got taxes managers cuts + paying coaches and sparring partners fight camps paid mortgages for everyone in the family a heap of cars including brand new ones for the whole family too,


Its not that he wont come back and do mma its the UFC wont pay him his fee that he will be asking for, as I think you pointed out hes actually already underpaid by them as it is for the eyes he brings, Nate is an example of this hes made demands now to take a fight and the UFC wont budge, so by stopping the fight happening they nip all this in the bud.

hewhoscares

wonderfullife wrote: »

Gamebred wrote: »

He's worth lets say 20m now, add another 50m for a fight purse plus god knows what in sponsorships if the fight was made, you reckon he will motivate himself to go fight the likes of Khabib or Diaz 3 after it? I just cant see it and I dont think the UFC can hence why they'll demand too much % cut of the fight purse to ensure it doesnt happen, GSP return in doubt they need him desperately now.

For a start, I don't know where people are getting this idea he's worth $20 million. It might be right but I don't see how it's that low.

He's made $8.5 million in pure Fight Purses in his last 5 fights. That's just the traditional show/win money alone. Those 5 fights did 6.4 million PPV buys combined and he's reportedly on the top tier ($5). That's another $32 million.

On top of that his Reebok, Budweiser and BSN etc deals come to $2 million per year for the last few years. He also (reportedly) made 7 figures between his Call of Duty and Iron Fist gigs.

I'm not his accountant but I'd be very surprised if his net worth is not closer to $40 million than $20 million.

So why would he bother fighting Eddie Alvarez in November last year? If you're already worth say $30 million going into the fight, why even bother training?

For what? The money? The belt? The history?

I get what people are saying about the Floyd money but that argument has already been and gone - he could easily have called it a day after the Diaz 2 fight if all he cares about is the money.

The PPV numbers that you are taking as gospel are Dave Meltzers and are guesswork. He regularly changes these numbers once he is proven to be way out - his numbers for Lesnar Overeem where initially around a million, until Overeem had a court case and the figures where shown the be half that. Again McGregor Diaz 1 numbers where over-inflated until the real numbers where put out there on the buyer pack that Zuffa sent out when prospecting. 

The rates per PPV rate is also staggered, so it won't be x amount for each sale. Its first 100k buys @ x amount 100-200k sales @ x amount, etc  - and the numbers he hits should be higher than those in the Eddie Alvarez contract leaked a few years ago that is used as a framework. 

As for McGregors net worth, he should have a good idea. As should his business manager and investment manager. His accountant will know his earnings and a decent idea of his outgoings but not his worth. A huge chunk of any fight purses will have gone straight away in state tax and then income taxes. 
Kavanagh won't be getting a traditional 10% trainer fee though. From the Mendes fight onwards he'll have been on a flat fee, Freddy Roach and Roger Mayweather weren't getting 7 figure paydays for fight camps. Though I get the impression Conor has sorted out all those who've helped him on the way up well.
His manager will take around 15% of gross on his fight purses, show money and PPV points negotiated - presuming they deal with all different income streams as well, they'll get a cut there. 
Tax wise  - the Mayweather style social media postings are interesting as they can be used to argue that the luxury purchases are part of his portrayed image. And can be then classed as deductible expenditure. Lots of footballers that get paid image rights as part of their contracts with clubs in tax schemes often argue the same - though its quite a grey area.
His sideline incomes from the horse racing thing, call of duty, monster, public appearances etc will be decent - I was told from someone £100k basic plus a cut of the sales from merch and drinks as well as the pathetic paid for stream. But I'd be very surprised if its $2m per annum since 2015. He'll have probably banked that amount in total after all the deductions from sideline income.
So yeah he'll have 8 figures sitting in his bank account right now I'm sure. As well as a good few investments here and there as well as a few assets. But his total net worth if I was to guess would be at around 25 right now. He'll never go hungry with his profile, but his spending rate will have him bankrupt soon enough. 

I don't know why I give such a **** mind. Its not my money, I'll never get to spend it and its none of my business really. I'm just nosey.

Mellor

hewhoscares wrote: »

The rates per PPV rate is also staggered, so it won't be x amount for each sale. Its first 100k buys @ x amount 100-200k sales @ x amount, etc  - and the numbers he hits should be higher than those in the Eddie Alvarez contract leaked a few years ago that is used as a framework. 

That certainly was the case in the past (Randy and Eddie). But who knows what individual deals people have negotiated.

Aren't Meltzers numbers the North American only numbers?
Because Eddie's contract stated that he got a cut of International PPVs and Online PPVs.

wonderfullife

Mellor wrote: »

That certainly was the case in the past (Randy and Eddie). But who knows what individual deals people have negotiated.

Aren't Meltzers numbers the North American only numbers?
Because Eddie's contract stated that he got a cut of International PPVs and Online PPVs.

Dave only reports domestic PPV numbers but I'm not even sure that includes Canada. It might. But it definitely doesn't include Europe/elsewhere. PPV's are a lot cheaper to buy in Germany, for example, at $25 but I've no idea how many they sell.

You'd have a better idea than us on how much they cost Down Under too.

It's all blind speculation but I think we can all agree he could retire today and live 5 normal lifetimes if he wanted to, so money can't be the only motivating factor in his fighting career.

Mellor

wonderfullife wrote: »

Dave only reports domestic PPV numbers but I'm not even sure that includes Canada. It might. But it definitely doesn't include Europe/elsewhere. PPV's are a lot cheaper to buy in Germany, for example, at $25 but I've no idea how many they sell.

You'd have a better idea than us on how much they cost Down Under too.

It's all blind speculation but I think we can all agree he could retire today and live 5 normal lifetimes if he wanted to, so money can't be the only motivating factor in his fighting career.

As long as the costs are comparable to US PPVs they count towards the bonuses, according to Eddie contract. I let his manager debate what the line is on comparable.
They are $50 here on Fox. Same online, $60 for HD

wonderfullife

Mellor wrote: »

As long as the costs are comparable to US PPVs they count towards the bonuses, according to Eddie contract. I let his manager debate what the line is on comparable.
They are $50 here on Fox. Same online, $60 for HD

That would sound comparable enough, there's only 20% difference between US and AUS $.

If he quit today, he'd go down as a legend of the sport but by no means the stand-out greatest. He still has every opportunity to go down in history as the best if he picks big challenges in his next four/five fights - maybe something like Woodley, Holloway 2, Diaz 3, GSP, Khabib/Tony (in any order).

If Mayweather fight doesn't come off, I wouldn't be surprised to see Conor v GSP this year. When GSP turned up Octagon-side for UFC 196, I don't think anybody was buying his story that he did it uninvited "as a fan" - he clearly wants the Conor fight and it's arguably the biggest fight Conor can take in MMA.

GerryDerpy

wonderfullife wrote: »

That would sound comparable enough, there's only 20% difference between US and AUS $.

If he quit today, he'd go down as a legend of the sport but by no means the stand-out greatest. He still has every opportunity to go down in history as the best if he picks big challenges in his next four/five fights - maybe something like Woodley, Holloway 2, Diaz 3, GSP, Khabib/Tony (in any order).

If Mayweather fight doesn't come off, I wouldn't be surprised to see Conor v GSP this year. When GSP turned up Octagon-side for UFC 196, I don't think anybody was buying his story that he did it uninvited "as a fan" - he clearly wants the Conor fight and it's arguably the biggest fight Conor can take in MMA.

It's a testament to McGregor that fans see the next challenges as fighting lads in heavier classes.

Frank Bullitt

wonderfullife wrote: »

Ha, if he has his eye on Private Planes then 50 million won't last long either.

At the end of the day there's every likelihood Floyd beats him if it comes together. I don't see Conor retiring on the back of a loss with peoples lasting impression of him potentially being KO'd or embarrassed.

He'll be back.

Now, if he somehow KO's Floyd....

He just needs the planets to align, a crystal ball, 4 arms, Mayweather to get the flu and Hulk Hogan and he has a chance.

Gamebred

https://twitter.com/MikeBohnMMA/status/862737622875209728

Gamebred

Gamebred wrote: »

https://twitter.com/MikeBohnMMA/status/862737622875209728

Conor v Nate III pleassse Dana or v Ferguson.

Gamebred

''I'm doing this for Conor'' What a joker Dana is like hes doing something charitable for McGregor gtfo turfed him off UFC200 for not going to a press conference.