Road issues that irritate me.......

John_Rambo

MadDog76 wrote: »

That's what I'm saying ........... cyclists are escaping unharmed due to Motorists being wary of the hazards they pose on our roads. Quick thinking/acting Motorists are saving cyclists lives on a daily basis.

Three cars pulled out in front of me today, I had to take evasive action to avoid them. No big deal, quick reflexes and road awareness (I knew they'd do it) that most cyclist have avoided injury. Not one of the drivers even saw me, oblivious. I have two lights on the front and two on the back, reflective strips on the helmet, top, leggings and bag. These are daily occurrences.

Take it from me, a keen motorists and a commuter cyclist. Cyclists are escaping unharmed by being mindful of motorists that don't even know they're a problem on the road.

I know it's anecdotal. But so are your observations.

Mister Vain

MadDog76 wrote: »

There's one ........... in the UK I think?

I know. I just thought it was funny.

VonLuck

MadDog76 wrote: »

That's what I'm saying ........... cyclists are escaping unharmed due to Motorists being wary of the hazards they pose on our roads. Quick thinking/acting Motorists are saving cyclists lives on a daily basis.

Could it not also be said that it's the quick thinking/acting of cyclists that's preventing fatalities on the roads?

railer201

John_Rambo wrote: »

Three cars pulled out in front of me today, I had to take evasive action to avoid them. No big deal, quick reflexes and road awareness (I knew they'd do it) that most cyclist have avoided injury. Not one of the drivers even saw me, oblivious. I have two lights on the front and two on the back, reflective strips on the helmet, top, leggings and bag. These are daily occurrences.

Take it from me, a keen motorists and a commuter cyclist. Cyclists are escaping unharmed by being mindful of motorists that don't even know they're a problem on the road.

I know it's anecdotal. But so are your observations.

In such circumstances I use my horn, most cars will stop. One of the problems I see with other cyclists is they have either no bell, or a useless bell.

MadDog76

VonLuck wrote: »

Could it not also be said that it's the quick thinking/acting of cyclists that's preventing fatalities on the roads?

You mean cyclists might actually be taking responsibility for their own personal safety? I would like to think so .......... but I've largely witnessed the opposite to be the case on our roads to be honest.

John_Rambo

railer201 wrote: »

In such circumstances I use my horn, most cars will stop. One of the problems I see with other cyclists is they have either no bell, or a useless bell.

I know. After advice I just avoid collisions (obviously) and confrontations.

But... if one was a litigious and athletic type of person they'd clean up. So many drivers dwadling about oblivious to what's going on around them.

VonLuck

MadDog76 wrote: »

You mean cyclists might actually be taking responsibility for their own personal safety? I would like to think so .......... but I've largely witnessed the opposite to be the case on our roads to be honest.

I have to agree that there are a lot of cyclists that take major risks and are frustrating to watch commuting in and out of the city. I find it particularly applies to Dublin Bike users who seem to have just discovered bicycles and no one has taught them the rules of the road.

I have also encountered many motorists who seem to refuse to use their indicators, or check over their shoulder, when turning left. I have come close to getting run over by these idiots too many times to count.

MadDog76

VonLuck wrote: »

I have to agree that there are a lot of cyclists that take major risks and are frustrating to watch commuting in and out of the city. I find it particularly applies to Dublin Bike users who seem to have just discovered bicycles and no one has taught them the rules of the road.

I have also encountered many motorists who seem to refuse to use their indicators, or check over their shoulder, when turning left. I have come close to getting run over by these idiots too many times to count.

I acknowledged, in an earlier post, that there are many terrible drivers on our roads but the difference is if cyclists continue to break read lights, for example, it's only a matter of time before one of them is killed .......... it's quick thinking/acting Motorists that have avoided these idiots on bikes being slaughtered en masse thus far.

Mister Vain

Cyclists not using the cycle lane.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6e0t8sDevs

RainyDay

MadDog76 wrote: »

That's what I'm saying ........... cyclists are escaping unharmed due to Motorists being wary of the hazards they pose on our roads. Quick thinking/acting Motorists are saving cyclists lives on a daily basis.

MadDog76 wrote: »

You mean cyclists might actually be taking responsibility for their own personal safety? I would like to think so .......... but I've largely witnessed the opposite to be the case on our roads to be honest.

Interesting - so the excellent motorists are excellent at avoiding the dangerous cyclists, but not so excellent at avoiding each other, or avoiding pedestrians (of whom they kill three times as many as cyclists). I'm not quite sure I see your logic there.

MadDog76 wrote: »

I acknowledged, in an earlier post, that there are many terrible drivers on our roads but the difference is if cyclists continue to break read lights, for example, it's only a matter of time before one of them is killed .......... it's quick thinking/acting Motorists that have avoided these idiots on bikes being slaughtered en masse thus far.

A matter of time, eh? And while we await for your 'matter of time', motorists will kill four or five people, mostly other motorists and some pedestrians each week. We don't have to wait for your 'matter of time' to see where the real danger on the road lies (and it's not with cyclists).

Just curious - do you notice the 1 or 2 or 3 drivers who break through the red light at just about every change of lights? And do you notice the 1 in 4 or 5 drivers that is talking or texting or YouTubing (that was tonight for me - the guy passed me while tapping round on YouTube on his phone)? And do you notice the 60% or 80% of drivers who break the speed limit?

VonLuck wrote: »

I have to agree that there are a lot of cyclists that take major risks and are frustrating to watch commuting in and out of the city. I find it particularly applies to Dublin Bike users who seem to have just discovered bicycles and no one has taught them the rules of the road.

Most of the Dublin Bike users (like most adults) are licensed, tested and insured drivers. They've done the same driving test as you did, so they're well aware of the Rules of the Road. Like most road users, they choose which rules they want to comply with.

MadDog76

RainyDay wrote: »

Interesting - so the excellent motorists are excellent at avoiding the dangerous cyclists, but not so excellent at avoiding each other, or avoiding pedestrians (of whom they kill three times as many as cyclists). I'm not quite sure I see your logic there.



A matter of time, eh? And while we await for your 'matter of time', motorists will kill four or five people, mostly other motorists and some pedestrians each week. We don't have to wait for your 'matter of time' to see where the real danger on the road lies (and it's not with cyclists).

Just curious - do you notice the 1 or 2 or 3 drivers who break through the red light at just about every change of lights? And do you notice the 1 in 4 or 5 drivers that is talking or texting or YouTubing (that was tonight for me - the guy passed me while tapping round on YouTube on his phone)? And do you notice the 60% or 80% of drivers who break the speed limit?

Your posts on this subject are always hilarious!

You've missed the point of course .........

RainyDay

MadDog76 wrote: »

Your posts on this subject are always hilarious!

You've missed the point of course .........

You're finding it hard to come up with a response to simple facts then?

railer201

VonLuck wrote: »

I have to agree that there are a lot of cyclists that take major risks and are frustrating to watch commuting in and out of the city. I find it particularly applies to Dublin Bike users who seem to have just discovered bicycles and no one has taught them the rules of the road.

I have also encountered many motorists who seem to refuse to use their indicators, or check over their shoulder, when turning left. I have come close to getting run over by these idiots too many times to count.

There are some bad cases of cycling amongst them ok - in fact everything from cycling on footpaths, wrong direction on one-way streets, running red lights, no hand signalling, wobbling all over the place. The track suit merchants around the city on their mountain bikes, mostly on footpaths, are no better.

Some motorists are no saints either, but at least they're protected in the event of an accident, whereas a cyclist is not.

Pinch Flat

MadDog76 wrote: »

None of that negates the fact that cyclists, based on their idiocy and recklessness on the roads, should be dying by the dozen but they aren't .......... I can only contribute that to the quick thinking, and caution, exercised by motorists when we encounter a cyclist.

How ironic that a cyclist would use the term "victim blaming" ..........

Drivers still manage to kill nearly 200 people annually though, road deaths up 25% on last year.

Blue lights on cars is an issue for me. They really hurt my eyes. It's like staring into the sun even when they're dipped. Does this happen others or is it just my eyes?

MadDog76

RainyDay wrote: »

You're finding it hard to come up with a response to simple facts then?

My response is in this very thread, if you decide to take your blinkers off some day you might just find it ...........

MadDog76

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Drivers still manage to kill nearly 200 people annually though, road deaths up 25% on last year.

The standard limp cyclist response of "but but but the Motorists do it as well" is tired, irrelevant and old ........ in short, it just won't wash I'm afraid.

Veloce150

MadDog76 wrote: »

I don't think Motorists "going the wrong way around a roundabout" is common enough to be considered an issue!

Have you ever observed motorist behaviour at mini roundabouts?

Midnight Sundance

People taking selfies whilst driving. Couldn't believe my eyes yesterday when girl behind me kept taking pictures n posing with that stupid pouty face . Was so tempted to get out when at traffic lights n record her to give to the guards. Wasn't sure if that would be legal or not. Stupid girl!!!

PeadarCo

MadDog76 wrote:

The standard limp cyclist response of "but but but the Motorists do it as well" is tired, irrelevant and old ........ in short, it just won't wash I'm afraid.

Any particular reason it doesn't wash. Every category of road user breaks the law. But the reason we have rules of the road is to keep people safe. If a particular category is going around killing people there will always be minimal enforcement. Its nearly a decade and a half since a cyclist killed another road user. Do mind telling us how many people have been killed in car accidents or hit and runs since this thread started?

PeadarCo

Accidental double post

jimmy blevins

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Blue lights on cars is an issue for me. They really hurt my eyes. It's like staring into the sun even when they're dipped. Does this happen others or is it just my eyes?

Your not the only one, there really needs to be new EU legislation on car lighting as there is research that modern lights may be damaging to the eyes.

MadDog76

PeadarCo wrote: »

Any particular reason it doesn't wash. Every category of road user breaks the law. But the reason we have rules of the road is to keep people safe. If a particular category is going around killing people there will always be minimal enforcement. Its nearly a decade and a half since a cyclist killed another road user. Do mind telling us how many people have been killed in car accidents or hit and runs since this thread started?

It's akin to a naughty toddler responding to being reprimanded for being bold with "but but but Johnny did it too!" ........... adult cyclists should know better than toddlers.

Your Face

Is this sorted yet?

Seth Brundle

MadDog76 wrote: »

It's akin to a naughty toddler responding to being reprimanded for being bold with "but but but Johnny did it too!" ........... adult cyclists should know better than toddlers.

That's a daft comment.
All road users should know better so there's no point in suggesting that cyclists shouldn't be getting knocked down because they should know better.
All road users should be aware of each other and have consideration for each other. Unfortunately many people don't give a toss and find it easier to blame someone else via stereotyping groups

LordSutch

Drivers stopping on yellow boxes and blocking up junctions :mad:

RainyDay

railer201 wrote: »

Some motorists are no saints either, but at least they're protected in the event of an accident, whereas a cyclist is not.

Protected? Try telling that to the families of the 150-ish motorists killed on the road this year.

MadDog76 wrote: »

The standard limp cyclist response of "but but but the Motorists do it as well" is tired, irrelevant and old ........ in short, it just won't wash I'm afraid.

Nope, sorry - not 'motorists do it as well' - Cyclists don't kill people. Motorists do it - full stop. Cyclists don't. That's the point you've been missing.

MadDog76 wrote: »

It's akin to a naughty toddler responding to being reprimanded for being bold with "but but but Johnny did it too!" ........... adult cyclists should know better than toddlers.

Not really - it's akin to focusing on the naughty toddlers spilling their porridge while the other guy is running amok with an AK47 shooting everyone in sight. You've kinda missed the point of where the real problem is.

railer201

railer201 wrote: »

There are some bad cases of cycling amongst them ok - in fact everything from cycling on footpaths, wrong direction on one-way streets, running red lights, no hand signalling, wobbling all over the place. The track suit merchants around the city on their mountain bikes, mostly on footpaths, are no better.

Some motorists are no saints either, but at least they're protected in the event of an accident, whereas a cyclist is not.

RainyDay wrote: »

Protected? Try telling that to the families of the 150-ish motorists killed on the road this year..

In comparison to cyclists is what I meant - you're twisting the context of my post. The discussion was mostly about pedestrian and cyclist safety as you know, but lo and behold cars and motorists have appeared again - surprise, surprise.

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Back to the original topic.

Cyclists that try to blame everything on motorists.

RainyDay

railer201 wrote: »

In comparison to cyclists is what I meant - you're twisting the context of my post. The discussion was mostly about pedestrian and cyclist safety as you know, but lo and behold cars and motorists have appeared again - surprise, surprise.

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There's no point in talking about cages, airbags, seat belts unless you also talk about the dangers for motorists. The reason why all those safety features are put in place is because of the serious danger that arises from fast, heavy vehicles.

Far more motorists and far more pedestrians are killed and maimed on the road than cyclists. I really don't understand this fetish for 'cycle safety' from those who profess to be interested in road safety. If you care about road safety, the obvious priority is to get motorists to stop killing and maiming each other.

MadDog76

railer201 wrote: »

In comparison to cyclists is what I meant - you're twisting the context of my post. The discussion was mostly about pedestrian and cyclist safety as you know, but lo and behold cars and motorists have appeared again - surprise, surprise.

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Back to the original topic.

Cyclists that try to blame everything on motorists.

That's one I forgot to include on my list .............. when we criticise stupid drivers doing stupid things on the road there's a general nod of "that's true, I've seen it myself" from all road users ......... criticise cyclists and it's all "boohoohoo look at what the driver's are doing, it's all their fault!!", if the finger is pointed at you because you've done something wrong then you pointing the finger at someone else because they've done something wrong doesn't excuse your stupid behaviour ............. that response doesn't wash in the workplace, courts of law, the DRP here on Boards or in a creche so why do cyclists seem to think it's a valid response for them to use???

The majority of cyclists, from what I've personally seen on the roads on a daily basis, consistently pose a hazard to themselves as well as to other cyclists, motorists and pedestrians.

ISIS are a terrorist organisation who are responsible for the deaths of many innocent people ......... but that's a separate issue and has no bearing on the cyclist issue.

Drug dealers are responsible for spreading death in many communities .......... but that's a separate issue and has no bearing on the cyclist issue.

Drink driving is a selfish act that has caused many a tragedy on our roads ............ but that's a separate issue and has no bearing on the cyclist issue.

Dole scammers are annoying and have caused tax-payers to be financially squeezed even further than they already are .......... but that's a separate issue and has no bearing on the cyclist issue.

And so on ...........