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Why are men dropping out of society? - mod note in 1st post
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Except it is not nature. Dr David Mech, the scientist who originally coined the phrases "Alpha" and "Beta" for wolves in the 1970s has stated that the view of the alpha he took back then was incorrect, mainly because there are usually two alphas in the pack, the male and female. In fact, the terminology these days just calls them "parents" and the terms "alpha" and "beta" have been consigned to the dustbin.A guy at work was telling us about a date he went on with a girl recently and how he paid for dinner. I laughed at him for being a sucker. All because society tells him to pay due to some outdated idea of chivalry At the end of the night, he walked her home to her place, leaned in for the kiss but only got a hug. Absolute cringefest. She didn't reply to any of his calls or messages for a week afterwards so he did some digging. Turns out she already has a "friend with benefits" who visits her home when she gets in the mood. No need for him to buy dinner. She has plenty of willing betas to do that.
You can't deny nature. The beta provides the girl with material goods while the alpha satisfies her sexually and passes on his genes.
This is a section from his website:Dr David Mech wrote:
Outmoded notion of the alpha wolf
The concept of the alpha wolf is well ingrained in the popular wolf literature at least partly because of my book "The Wolf: Ecology and Behavior of an Endangered Species," written in 1968, published in 1970, republished in paperback in 1981, and currently still in print, despite my numerous pleas to the publisher to stop publishing it. Although most of the book's info is still accurate, much is outdated. We have learned more about wolves in the last 40 years then in all of previous history.
One of the outdated pieces of information is the concept of the alpha wolf. "Alpha" implies competing with others and becoming top dog by winning a contest or battle. However, most wolves who lead packs achieved their position simply by mating and producing pups, which then became their pack. In other words they are merely breeders, or parents, and that's all we call them today, the "breeding male," "breeding female," or "male parent," "female parent," or the "adult male" or "adult female." In the rare packs that include more than one breeding animal, the "dominant breeder" can be called that, and any breeding daughter can be called a "subordinate breeder."
Link: http://www.davemech.org/news.html
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Therefore, despite the common misconception of the (so called) alpha male being the head honcho (usually propagated within the manosphere), he does NOT have his pick of the lady-wolves , he is the Dad in the pack, that is his role. In fact, researchers have observed individualised relationships between wolves, one year the alpha female will mate with the alpha male, but the next year she then mates with his brother. So he does not have control over breeding, far from it.
It is also accepted that the (so called) alpha male has NO dominance over the (so called) alpha female. In fact, it is quite the opposite as it is he who often submits to her when an altercation between them occurs.
So, this idea that the (so called) alpha male is the all encompassing personification of everything that should be ultra masculine and in control, is all based on some very terrible PUA understanding of the now outdated 1970s theory of what alpha actually means for wolf packs.0 -
Vanity and being materialistic are the most unattractive qualities in a person
What a lovely quote. Now you can frame it and hang it on your wall so you feel good about yourself. In the real world, male suicide rates are significantly higher than female as they fail to reach the impossibly high standards set by Irish women.
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You are taking the piss now. Men are committing suicide for many reasons. None of which are the fault of Irish women. How would you feel if I blamed every dead Irish woman in Irish men.What a lovely quote. Now you can frame it and hang it on your wall so you feel good about yourself. In the real world, male suicide rates are significantly higher than female as they fail to reach the impossibly high standards set by Irish women.0 -
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What a lovely quote. Now you can frame it and hang it on your wall so you feel good about yourself. In the real world, male suicide rates are significantly higher than female as they fail to reach the impossibly high standards set by Irish women.
Irish women are responsible for male suicides now?
All male suicides or just Irish ones?
It's grand and easy just blaming someone else on everything. Lazy. Ignorant. Incorrect. Immature. But easy.0 -
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What a lovely quote. Now you can frame it and hang it on your wall so you feel good about yourself. In the real world, male suicide rates are significantly higher than female as they fail to reach the impossibly high standards set by Irish women.
What are you on about? I know a lot of men, not one is an alpha and yet most are in long term relationships. What you are describing is completely removed from reality.
Does this opinion of women extend to your mother, sisters?0 -
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This "just be yourself" meme really needs to die along with the "girls go for funny guys" one.
John Candy is one of my favourite comedians of all time. But would he have gotten any action in a nightclub? No, cos he was a fat slob.
Yet if I brought up say darts player Kim Huybruchts girlfriend, or comedian Johnny Vegas' wife (both below) you'd be the very first to whinge and moan that "it's all about the money".
I've already brought up my dramatically improved luck with women during my 20s with no real change to my looks or income and you chose to completely ignore it because it didn't Molly coddle your deeply flawed and frankly unhealthy worldview, I believe there might be a new Roosh V article out there from the last few days for you to lap up if that's what you're after.
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That's a confidence thing.It all sounds great but I struggle to find things to say being the biggest problem. I already am of the mindset of getting to know them. If ya struggle early they won't stick around long.
You have plenty to say, it's just not at the forefront of your head when you need it.
Don't worry about saying stupid stuff. Just make a joke out if when you realise you said something stupid
Personally, I'm not interesting, but I do interesting things to keep myself occupied at the weekends. Activities and holidays and stuff, so I just talk about that.0 -
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