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Seamus Power - PGA Tour Winner 2021/22

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    #362
    billy3sheets
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    Dr Devious wrote: »
    Could it be that he’s just simply not good enough....no shame in that as it’s a highly competitive tour.

    If he's good enough to shoot good 1st and 2nd rounds then why not 3rd and 4th rounds too?
    Maybe it's common to a lot of the other golfers too. Would courses typically be set up harder for 3rd and 4th rounds? Otherwise it's got to be a mental or fitness thing?


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    #363
    callaway92
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    billy3sheets wrote: »
    If he's good enough to shoot good 1st and 2nd rounds then why not 3rd and 4th rounds too?
    Maybe it's common to a lot of the other golfers too. Would courses typically be set up harder for 3rd and 4th rounds? Otherwise it's got to be a mental or fitness thing?

    That's like saying if someone can shoot a good front nine in a monthly medal why can't they shoot a good back nine too.

    It's a 72 hole competition for Seamus. He's not good enough right now over 72 holes, simple as that really. Nothing to say it's mental/fitness yet.

    There's a reason it's over 72 holes..the best rise to the top..and in a lot of cases, consistently.


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    #364
    AGC
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    callaway92 wrote: »
    That's like saying if someone can shoot a good front nine in a monthly medal why can't they shoot a good back nine too.

    Why can’t they?!


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    #365
    callaway92
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    AGC wrote: »
    Why can’t they?!

    Because golf is played over 18 holes. The front 9 good holes and back 9 poor holes probably just comes down to variance of luck etc.

    How often do you read "A round of what could have been" ... Usually down to a drive that went OB or a couple of 3 putts in a row.

    It's variance...Maybe down to skills where yes, you are able to play the game, sometimes very well, but that doesn't mean you're a good player in general...maybe down to mental ability etc.


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    #366
    AGC
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    callaway92 wrote: »
    Because golf is played over 18 holes. The front 9 good holes and back 9 poor holes probably just comes down to variance of luck etc.

    How often do you read "A round of what could have been" ... Usually down to a drive that went OB or a couple of 3 putts in a row.

    It's variance...Maybe down to skills where yes, you are able to play the game, sometimes very well, but that doesn't mean you're a good player in general...maybe down to mental ability etc.

    But it doesn’t mean they can’t do it.

    If someone can go and shoot level par on the front there is no reason they can’t do it on the back. They obviously have the shots.

    Same with Seamus, if he can shoot 66 in first round there is no reason he can’t in the last round. Same course. Yes additional pressures.

    He is into his second full season on the tour, people saying he is not good enough really need a reality check.


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    #367
    callaway92
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    AGC wrote: »
    But it doesn’t mean they can’t do it.

    If someone can go and shoot level par on the front there is no reason they can’t do it on the back. They obviously have the shots.

    Same with Seamus, if he can shoot 66 in first round there is no reason he can’t in the last round. Same course. Yes additional pressures.

    He is into his second full season on the tour, people saying he is not good enough really need a reality check.

    Yes, but probably not to sustain over an 18 hole period, when it again comes down to variance.

    Fair enough they might have the shots in the bag, but there's a reason they don't have that ability to do it shot-in and shot-out.


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    #368
    billy3sheets
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    callaway92 wrote: »
    billy3sheets wrote: »
    If he's good enough to shoot good 1st and 2nd rounds then why not 3rd and 4th rounds too?
    Maybe it's common to a lot of the other golfers too. Would courses typically be set up harder for 3rd and 4th rounds? Otherwise it's got to be a mental or fitness thing?

    That's like saying if someone can shoot a good front nine in a monthly medal why can't they shoot a good back nine too.

    It's a 72 hole competition for Seamus. He's not good enough right now over 72 holes, simple as that really. Nothing to say it's mental/fitness yet.

    There's a reason it's over 72 holes..the best rise to the top..and in a lot of cases, consistently.
    Completely different!
    He's proven he has the ability to play the course twice over on Thu & Fri. Now what changes on Sat and Sun? It's not his ability. 
    I personally think it's the wining mentality. Individuals or teams that have crossed the winning line before retain someting that enables them to repeat their success.


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    #369
    A New earth
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    Very good 65 today, tied 11th


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    #370
    mickmackmcgoo
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    A New earth wrote:
    Very good 65 today, tied 11th

    A top 8 would more than likely get him his card for next year


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    #371
    Rikand
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    mickmackmcgoo wrote: »
    A top 8 would more than likely get him his card for next year

    Incoming 76, the only player to shoot over par on the day and a tie for 45th


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    #372
    plumber77
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    Here's hoping he has a good one. I think anything bar a big blow up will be a positive weekend.


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    #373
    Mysterypunter
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    Rikand wrote: »
    Incoming 76, the only player to shoot over par on the day and a tie for 45th

    Won't be 76 anyway, pitch and putt course


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    #374
    mickmackmcgoo
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    Blew it again at the end . 3 putted 17 then second shot in the water from the fairway on 18


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    #375
    AGC
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    mickmackmcgoo wrote: »
    Blew it again at the end . 3 putted 17 then second shot in the water from the fairway on 18

    Hardly blew it - I’d expect 18 is ranked one of the more difficult holes.

    A much more positive weekend and a move up the rankings.


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    #376
    mickmackmcgoo
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    AGC wrote:
    A much more positive weekend and a move up the rankings.


    He had a great chance to almost have his card .


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    #377
    Eoinyh
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    Jes, tied 12th, bride would of got him top 10, 157 yards to hole after drive on the 18th, dumps his second in the drink, missed a 3 footer for bird on 17,think he prefers the Webb tour, seems to suffer with the nerves at critical times


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    #378
    Barnaboy
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    Extremely harsh. He is -3 for the day going up the last! Hardly bottled it.


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    #379
    AGC
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    mickmackmcgoo wrote: »
    He had a great chance to almost have his card .

    I’m sure if you offered him a move up the rankings he takes it.

    A lot more to be positive about than critical


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    #380
    Potential Underachiever
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    It was a mini choke. missing a 3 footer and hitting in the water on the last cost him some serious dollars, needs to close out better but still fair play to him, it'll come hopefully.


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    #381
    green123
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    Embarrassing performance from a professional.

    Missing a 3 footer on the 17th and then into the water from the middle of fairway on 18.

    And its not his first collapse.
    He did the same in the last few tournaments last season to miss out on fed ex and an automatic card. And a few more great opportunities for a good finish this year also thrown away.

    Has to be a mental weakness.

    Nerves?
    Pressure?


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    #382
    mickmackmcgoo
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    Barnaboy wrote:
    Extremely harsh. He is -3 for the day going up the last! Hardly bottled it.


    He was projected 115 on FedEx points . Birdie 17 par 18 would have got him to projected 112 which will prob be enough whereas now he is projected 119 and gonna need more points


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    #383
    Eoinyh
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    Barnaboy wrote: »
    Extremely harsh. He is -3 for the day going up the last! Hardly bottled it.

    What is extremely harsh??


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    #384
    tbayers
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    green123 wrote: »
    Embarrassing performance from a professional.

    Missing a 3 footer on the 17th and then into the water from the middle of fairway on 18.

    And its not his first collapse.
    He did the same in the last few tournaments last season to miss out on fed ex and an automatic card. And a few more great opportunities for a good finish this year also thrown away.

    Has to be a mental weakness.

    Nerves?
    Pressure?
    Embarrassing performance from a prefessional, are you for real? What about the other 100 or so golfers behind him on perhaps the toughest tour in the world?? He moves up to potentially 117 in the rankings, hardly a bad weekend when he started at 125?


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    #385
    AGC
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    green123 wrote: »
    Embarrassing performance from a professional.

    Missing a 3 footer on the 17th and then into the water from the middle of fairway on 18.

    And its not his first collapse.
    He did the same in the last few tournaments last season to miss out on fed ex and an automatic card. And a few more great opportunities for a good finish this year also thrown away.

    Has to be a mental weakness.

    Nerves?
    Pressure?

    Embarrassing performance from a professional?! Have a break will you

    Top 20 in a PGA tour event. The absolute rubbish posted on here is embarrassing.


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    #386
    green123
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    I wouldn't comment if this was rare or unusual , we all make some mistakes.

    But as i have already said he has a history of collapsing at the end of tournaments and at the the of seasons.

    He should forget about working on his swing and the technical side of things.

    He needs a coach to help him with course management and handling the pressure


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    #387
    OEP
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    green123 wrote: »
    I wouldn't comment if this was rare or unusual , we all make some mistakes.

    But as i have already said he has a history of collapsing at the end of tournaments and at the the of seasons.

    He should forget about working on his swing and the technical side of things.

    He needs a coach to help him with course management and handling the pressure

    May I ask what your profession is?


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    #388
    GreeBo
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    OEP wrote: »
    May I ask what your profession is?

    Quarterback (Works Mondays only)
    Also a Driver (Only sits in the back seat)


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    #389
    green123
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    Quote: OEP
    May I ask what your profession is?
    GreeBo wrote: »
    Quarterback (Works Mondays only)
    Also a Driver (Only sits in the back seat)

    Attack the post not the poster...

    I am not the only one who is pointing this out about power.
    Have you read back a few pages?
    And then have a read of the comments from the end of last season. Exactly the same story again. Seems to have learned nothing in the last year.
    He has a huge talent and a great opportunity , it's disappointing to see him not fulfilling his potential


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    #390
    OEP
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    It's the way you go about pointing it out. I'm all for reasoned analysis but to call it an embarrassing performance is ridiculous. It's embarrassing to come 16th in PGA tour event?? I'd love to know how good you must be at your job. Yes, he should have closed it out better but there's no need to insult him. Not that Seamus, or anyone else is his position, cares what the likes of us think but I hate the way people think it's fine to go insulting them based on their performance, as if he did it deliberately or something.

    What do you mean by he hasn't learned anything? Do you think he's not aware of his short comings last year and not trying to remedy them? He's hardly sitting there thinking, Ah sure I'll aim to get the last card in Q school again this year. It would be wonderful to be like you and be so amazing at your profession and learn from everything, never making the same mistake twice.


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    #391
    green123
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    OEP wrote: »
    It's the way you go about pointing it out. I'm all for reasoned analysis but to call it an embarrassing performance is ridiculous. It's embarrassing to come 16th in PGA tour event?? I'd love to know how good you must be at your job. Yes, he should have closed it out better but there's no need to insult him. Not that Seamus, or anyone else is his position, cares what the likes of us think but I hate the way people think it's fine to go insulting them based on their performance, as if he did it deliberately or something.

    What do you mean by he hasn't learned anything? Do you think he's not aware of his short comings last year and not trying to remedy them? He's hardly sitting there thinking, Ah sure I'll aim to get the last card in Q school again this year. It would be wonderful to be like you and be so amazing at your profession and learn from everything, never making the same mistake twice.

    I don't know why you keep asking about my job, this thread is not about me, its seamus powers name at the top of the page. Again, attack the post not the poster.

    I have already said in an earlier post that we all make mistakes. You mention making the same mistake twice. Again as i said earlier i wouldn't be commenting if this was once or twice.
    Power is making these same mistakes nearly every week. Some statistics were previously posted on this thread :

    Round 1: 3rd with an average score of 69.13
    Round 2: 19th with 70.0
    Round 3: 65th with 70.22
    Round 4: 149th with 71.31

    Something seriously wrong somewhere if you are one of the best on Thursday and Friday and then one of the worst on Sunday.


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