RAW Superthread

PTH2009

TNA flashback there

Who is finn going to face at GBOF ??? Heel turn and will face Rollins (costing him the match tonight ??)

Ben Gadot

Another night, another Raw women's division farce. How longer is the division going to be made look like twats to Bliss' benefit?

Have they hamstrung themselves on this one in that they think there's no-one on Raw that can hold a genuine, worthwhile for both, feud with her?

I thought SD needed Asuka at one point but it's clear now that Raw is the more desperate of the two.

Lord TSC

Credit where it's due, I thought that was a good, solid episode.

The Joe/Heyman segment was brilliant, and instantly raised Joe's credibility. Even though I really wish they'd move on from Miz/Ambrose, the celebration segment was funny. A few feuds furthered stories.

Thought it was solid. If it were like this every week, there'd be less problems.

Lithium93_

1 step forward this week, 2 backwards next?

Lesnar/Joe - That could be good, and with Lesnar showing uo next week, brawl between the pair?

Floppybits

Balor not involved in Raw this week.  Is he injured?

Lord TSC

Floppybits wrote: »

Balor not involved in Raw this week.  Is he injured?

Id imagine he'll move into some feud with Reigns, given Bray and Seth seemed to be the direction they are going. Reigns and Balor in a rubber match (they are 1-1 in singles matches now)?

PTH2009

Lithium93_ wrote: »

1 step forward this week, 2 backwards next?

Lesnar/Joe - That could be good, and with Lesnar showing uo next week, brawl between the pair?

I'd like too see one of those brawls where the whole locker room has to come out and try and separate them

Brocks really up for it this time and after Joe he as Braun but the wheel will eventually back too the big dog

sky88

balor/regins in a no1 contenders match for summerslam with braun getting involved and destroying reigns or both maybe.

PTH2009

why does Bray Wyatt randomly pick on people ??

what the hell did Rollins do to him

weird that the Hardyz or Finn Balor were not on Raw but Balor appeared in a dark segment

They got us good with the miz thing thinking that Ambrose was in the bear costume and then in the present but he was a random camera man

The big show/Enzo thing was painful. Can we rule out that it was Cass who attacked Enzo now since he was attacked or is he trying to swerve us ??. Hope its doesent turn out its actually Big Show that attacked them both

J. Marston

Miz showing why he's the best heel around with the way he shut those "You deserve it" chants down. He made thousands of people all feel stupid at once.

Lithium93_

PTH2009 wrote: »

why does Bray Wyatt randomly pick on people ??

what the hell did Rollins do to him

weird that the Hardyz or Finn Balor were not on Raw but Balor appeared in a dark segment

They got us good with the miz thing thinking that Ambrose was in the bear costume and then in the present but he was a random camera man

The big show/Enzo thing was painful. Can we rule out that it was Cass who attacked Enzo now since he was attacked or is he trying to swerve us ??. Hope its doesent turn out its actually Big Show that attacked them both

Incoming Big Show heel turn :pac::pac:

sky88

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Incoming Big Show heel turn :pac::pac:

Well its been far too long since one happened if you ask me

ERG89

sky88 wrote:

Well its been far too long since one happened if you ask me

I hope it turns out that he did it but has no recollection of it. Split personality disorder Big Show has potential or a return to "please retire" Big Show which was a guilty pleasure of mine to enjoy people hating him just existing :pac:

Pentecost

Eating Disorder Big Show. Keeps complaining to the women about how fat he is.

Rock Lesnar

Just had a watch there, and that Heyman and Joe segment was the best of the night, we know Joe is the only "threat" to Lesnar, his promo along with Heyman made sure we knew it to and the finish to it with Joe choking Heyman out just topped it off, iv'e been waiting for this match since Joe arrived there and cant wait to watch the build up and match even if the outcome is fairly predictable, just a shame its not wrestlemania

Neil3030

Man I'd love for Heyman to turn on Brock and side with Joe. Imagine the pop when Brock finally gets to hit the F5 on him.

SlickRic

They still couldn't let Joe win clean, yet Reigns does.

Mr.Nice Guy

Genuinely surprised at how they have managed to ruin Bayley which I thought was a can't-miss thing.

shineon23

Neil3030 wrote: »

Man I'd love for Heyman to turn on Brock and side with Joe. Imagine the pop when Brock finally gets to hit the F5 on him.

I dare not imagine

gerrybbadd

PTH2009 wrote: »

Big cass you lying baxtard

Are they going to drag that presenter into the storie too ??

That presenter? That ANGEL you mean. Charly is gold

SlickRic

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Genuinely surprised at how they have managed to ruin Bayley which I thought was a can't-miss thing.

Gotta tell stories don't ya know.

Lithium93_

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Genuinely surprised at how they have managed to ruin Bayley which I thought was a can't-miss thing.

Whatculture WWE did a great article, listing 7 reasons why Bayley's been made to look stupid on the main roster, found myself agreeing with it entirely.

SlickRic wrote: »

Gotta tell stories don't ya know.

True, but not at the expense of making the talent, Bayley in this particular case, look like a complete ****ing loser. That "This Is Your Life" segment last week was Exhibit A.

Agent Coulson

It great to see Kurt back in the WWE but "By God" he is terrible in the GM role.

Neil3030

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It great to see Kurt back in the WWE but "By God" he is terrible in the GM role.

Part of the issue for me is the overuse of the GMs. They are in what, 3 to 4 scenes per show? You just get sick of them no matter how good they are. Contrast that to NXT where you only see Regal every 3 to 4 weeks.

CastorTroy

So how should they have used Bayley, I wonder? I think this is the downside of NXT. Like that article pointed out, she was the underdog who fought her way to the top and earned the title. But if everyone who watched NXT saw them try to recreate that on Raw there would be people complianing about how she's much better than the ones she's losing to.
It's the same problem with the likes of American Alpha. Great team who built their fanbase on NXT with everyone seeing their struggles to get the titles and the emotions when they won. So of course they deserve the main roster titles, but if you never saw them on NXT, then you wouldn't really think they deserved them.

ERG89

CastorTroy wrote:

So how should they have used Bayley, I wonder?

Maybe just a suggestion stop treating her like she is 8.
Stop talking about her not kissing boys & saying she can't go anywhere without her Dad. Got booked intentionally like a loser in the feud with Bliss. Came out to confront her & got laid out. At the ppv she lost in around 5 minutes.

SureYWouldntYa

Neil3030 wrote: »

Part of the issue for me is the overuse of the GMs. They are in what, 3 to 4 scenes per show? You just get sick of them no matter how good they are. Contrast that to NXT where you only see Regal every 3 to 4 weeks.

Then you've got the commissioners too and if they're in charge why the need for a GM

This thing of people coming to the GM half through a show to demand a match or something always makes the GM look stupid like he hasn't already had his show planned

We should only see Angle when he finalises PPV matches, and I know it's been said before but the "office" they have the GMs in is ridiculous these days, they used to have proper offices and if they can throw together different rooms for things like the Fashion Police then surely they can construct something resembling an office

Lord TSC

Bayley should be the John Cena of the women's division, booked like a superhero to appeal to the kids.

I don't have a clue who they think is meant to like her current character. I have no clue who their target demographic is for her.

Lithium93_

Lord TSC wrote: »

Bayley should be the John Cena of the women's division, booked like a superhero to appeal to the kids.

I don't have a clue who they think is meant to like her current character. I have no clue who their target demographic is for her.

Neither do the WWE it seems, Bayley's character was/is so simple, yet WWE somehow managed to screw it up.

Scavenger XIII

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

I know it's been said before but the "office" they have the GMs in is ridiculous these days

Another thing they do right in NXT, Regals office looks like he could actually do work in it and even has nice little character extras like the Blackpool photo and the brass knuckles on his desk.