Liveline thread 28/09/16 to date

Fujitsu10

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What about setting them a wage of €35k and increasing retirement age for them to 60?

And change the pension scheme so that they are also treated like the private sector. They really have no idea of the value the pension is to them.

bigroad

This one knows everything .

Dia1988

You have Teachers being hit and abused not only by kids but parents, so cop the **** on woman!

Atlantic Dawn

Did they think they would just be playing the flute in the Garda Band at The Rose Of Traleee when they signed up?

Park Royal

12 months on a gig with the UN and bring back the Merc .......

constitutionus

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Did they think they would just be playing the flute in the Garda Band at The Rose Of Traleee when they signed up?

probably all thought they'd be doing "gardai patrol" with graine in montrose.

bigroad

Plenty of Guards on 40k plus so she wants them to be cut back to 35k.

Dan Jaman

Cava Concerns. First World Problem.

Del.Monte

Pretentious git line one. PBH impressed.

Atlantic Dawn

There's a huge amount of duty on alcohol particularly wine and spirits here.

terryduff12

Everyday!!!!! I don't think it could be everyday wasn't there a few guards on duty with Irish water protests don't think any got burned to death and hacked to pieces.

ThisRegard

That lad was a clown.

Del.Monte

Thank God, that programme seemed to go on forever.

Atlantic Dawn

3 decades behind other forces for IT would be a conservative estimate, it's pure work harder not smarter.

Jan_de_Bakker

Ray showing what a connoisseur he is ... Spice bag - show off!

constitutionus

terryduff12 wrote: »

Everyday!!!!! I don't think it could be everyday wasn't there a few guards on duty with Irish water protests don't think any got burned to death and hacked to pieces.

not for lack of newstalk and the INDO saying as such !

Arcade_Tryer

The flying mouse wrote: »

He needs to change his name to Trevor, that klebber name is ridiculous, no wonder he got fecked out...

Not as ridiculous as all the Irish people with their names translated into absurd Irish translations on Facebook in fairness.


Also, convenience marriage? Another absurd idea. As if all marriages are not out of convenience. Come back and argue otherwise once you have managed to make love quantifiable. Convenience marriage? No. Perverse concept designed to legitimise discrimination and racism.

ButtersSuki

Mary63 wrote: »

Oh,that would be great Buttersuki,I won't "share"with my mother.

She is a Joe fan.

LOOk after yourself and fair play to you.!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll not get a chance to post until much later tonight and maybe not at all. A quick glance through this thread (or more accurately its predecessors as Joe is rarely on the show these days) will give you a lot of insight to the man and how he conducts himself on the airwaves.

The most recent blatant example of how out of control he is whilst left in command of a show broadcast on National Radio were when he interviewed a Brazilian Police Commissioner in relation to the Pat Hickey story and asked - and I assure you I'm not making this up - why didn't the Commissioner turn his gun on the assembled press. The transcript is below, and as bad as this reads, the tone in the audio is much, much worse.

Transcript:


Joe Duffy: “Commissioner Aloysio Falcão of the Rio de Janeiro police and one of the lead investigators in this case, good afternoon.”

Aloysio Falcão: “Good afternoon, how are you?”

Duffy: “Good, thank you and I hope you are aware also, are you aware Commissioner, that in Ireland this has been the biggest story in the last 10 days?”

Falcão: “Yeah Yeah we knew.”

Duffy: “Why did you decide to film the arrest of Pat Hickey.

Falcão: “Because we knew that Pat Hickey was the guy who [unintelligible]

Duffy: “Okay Commissioner, that’s all fine but in Ireland that’s not a crime, it’s not a crime and it’s not a crime for Pat Hickey to be in communication with Marcus Evans it’s not a crime why did you decide to film to video to bring along a cameraman to film Pat Hickey in the middle of the night, a 71 year old man obviously in distress why did you decide to film and release that video?”

Falcão: “In Brazil, ticket touting is a crime, you know. It’s a serious crime, I had to respect…”

Duffy: “Of course it’s a crime in Brazil, It’s not a crime in Ireland, but some people believe it should be a crime in Ireland. But why did you film the arrest of Pat Hickey?”

Falcão: “I did the arrest because I had to respect the law.”

Duffy: “Is every arrest in Brazil filmed?”

Falcão: “No, but…”

Duffy: “So why did you film this man being arrested?”

Falcão: “I had to do what the judge said on the warrant. When I arrested him I sent him to the hospital to check everything out, he spent in the hospital one day…”

Duffy: “I understand and very good, very good, very good, that’s important. Why did you decide and who filmed this man in distress in his bedroom?”

Falcão: “Because he was in the hotel, in his bedroom, you know we had judge warrant, we had to do it. And he wasn’t in his room, his wife was in his room, his wife, he was in a different room from his wife. His wife told the police he went back to Ireland you know.”

Duffy: “Hmm well as I said last week when all of this was happening, there might have been a misunderstanding. It is a different language. Are you saying the Judge ordered the arrest of Pat Hickey being filmed.”

Falcão: “Yeah, yeah he did.”

Duffy: “So are you saying the judge said I want to see video and film evidence I want to see the film, the movie of this man being arrested.”

Falcão: “Not the judge’s order, it’s like the media. We didn’t authorise the media, you know.”

Duffy: “And Commissioner, where does the investigation stand now. Is there any possibility that Pat Hickey who, as you know is a 71 year old man, you know and you had to call the doctor, that Hickey could be released on bail and out of that prison.”

Falcão: “Yeah, we have a kind of domiciliary prison where the guy is older than 80 or is in bad health, his lawyers are trying to get this kind of prison for him to be in.”

Duffy: “So can I ask you, Commissioner, on behalf of the Rio de Janeiro police, would you object if the judge said you can release this man from prison and put him under as you say domiciliary containment, would you object Commissioner?”

Falcão: “No.”

Duffy: “So you would be in favour of Pat Hickey being released from prison once he dose not leave Rio, is that correct?”

Falcão: “Sure. The Brazilian system is not unfair [unintelligible]. I’m going to talk to the judge today.”

Duffy: “So you’re going to talk to the judge today to say you have no objection to Pat Hickey being released. Have you any objection to him leaving Brazil?”

Falcão: “Yeah. He has to stay in Brazil because he has more questions about more people who are being arrested… he can be in domiciliary jail but it’s the judge’s decision, I can’t decide that, you know.”

Duffy: “But can you – is it within your power to say to the judge we will allow Pat Hickey to hold in a hotel in Rio so long as we have his passport and he cannot leave Brazil, is that your opinion?”

Falcão: “I have the power to talk to the judge but not to release him from jail.”

Duffy: “Yes but once he stays in Brazil.”

Falcão: “Yeah but we don’t have this power you know, it’s the judge’s decision.

Duffy: “But approximately Commissioner when do you hope to hand the file to the judge and say we’ve done all our investigations now you decide when is that a week a month, how long ?”

Falcão: “I can’t tell you, maybe between 1 and 3 months, between 1 and 3 months, I hope so you know.”

Duffy: “So if Mr Hickey – which he vehemently asserts, as does Mr Mallon, that they were innocent, you’re saying well we will not have a decision on that from the Brazilian system for up to 3 months?”

Falcão: “If they are innocent for sure we have a decision, the Brazilian court, it’s Brazilian law I don’t know how it works in Ireland but we have to make sure that people don’t run away from the country otherwise it’s going to be impossible to inquire them.”

Duffy: “Have you asked Interpol to help?”

Falcão: “Yeah, for sure. I am in contact with the Interpol the Interpol is going to help the Brazilian police.”

Duffy: “And what country are Interpol going to ask to assist?”

Falcão: “Interpol is based in France.

Duffy: “Yes, I know that, it’s based in Lyon but are you saying to Interpol, can you get information from Ireland?”

Falcão: “I can’t tell you about the information but what I can tell you is that I made contact with Interpol they are helping the Brazilian police.”

Duffy: “Have you had any representations from the Irish government?”

Falcão: “No. That’s why I also want to get some help from the media because we need some help from the government. I know Shane Ross had a meeting but he has left. I also want to know about the government position, what they are doing you know. Our police can be helped by your government. We can trade information about this scandal.”

Duffy: “But have you contacted the Irish government via our embassy?”

Falcão: “Not yet.”

Duffy: “But you’re saying you want to speak to Shane Ross and also the Irish Government. Do you want to speak to the Irish police?”

Falcão: “Yes. It would be great for the enquiry because more information is much better, it’s more fair for the process, we don’t want to be unfair, I have to know what happened with the government in Ireland and also the government, they will want to know what happened in Brazil.”

Duffy: “Well, Commissioner, a number of politicians in Ireland, some in opposition, some in Government, Minister Simon Coveney, Shane Ross made a reference to it as well, as the leader of the Labour Party said this is not the way we do things in Ireland, I’m quoting a onetime leader of the Labour Party, can you understand that the arrest of this man, the filming of the arrest the immediate removal, okay you took him to a hospital, and his incarceration in prison, to some people in Ireland to a lot of people I think in fairness they don’t think that is very fair.”

Falcão: “I know. What I can tell you is that the police treated him very well. We left him in the hostel for one day, he then went to the prison when the doctor examined him met him and said well now he’s okay… I talked to him and his lawyer always, always you know.”

Duffy: “You know this cocktail party, this sting operation where you sent undercover policeman to this cocktail party does that mean you have been on, when did this case open, did it open when the Olympics started or had it started a few years ago, how long have you been on this case?”

Falcão: “We had a lot of investigation at 2014 at the World Cup football, we arrested a director of THG and we know that THG was trying to get credentials for the Games, that’s why we started the investigation. Two years ago.”

Duffy: “You were watching THG before the Olympics. Before they arrived, were you aware of the arrival of the Irish Olympic Committee, were you suspicious of a connection then.

Falcão: “The Olympic Irish Council was suspected when we found maybe 800 tickets and all those tickets were designated for the Irish Olympic contingent.”

Duffy: “So is it fair to say that before then, Pat Hickey and indeed Kevin Mallon and indeed other people whom you now want their passports, you were not suspicious of them you were not suspicious of them, you only became suspicious of them when you found those tickets at this cocktail party for instance. Before they arrived in Rio you were not suspicious of them. You only became interested in them when you found the tickets at this cocktail party. All the tickets you found were only from the Irish Olympic Council?

Falcão: “ Only Irish.”

Duffy: “Whey did you put Pat Hickey’s boarding card and his accreditation, why did you put them on your table for those photographs you were at?”

Falcão: “I didn’t put them on my table.”

Duffy: “The media didn’t have his passport, you had his passport.”

Duffy: “Ah now no hang on hang on the media didn’t have his passport why did you put his passport on the table

Falcão: “We confiscated it.”

Duffy: “Oh what you have okay okay, that’s the way in Brazil, okay. And did Pat Hickey have a second passport?”

Falcão: “He had a second passport he gave to the police, yes.”

Duffy: “And is the second passport Irish?”

Falcão: “Yeah, I think so.”

Duffy: “But you can’t have two passports. And both passports were valid?”

Falcão: “Yeah, yeah, I think because he travels a lot he has a second passport.”

Duffy: “A spare one. But you’re adamant It wasn’t a false passport, it was a spare passport.”

Falcão: “It’s original, it’s a true passport.”

Duffy: “But there’s nothing wrong with that is there?”

Falcão: “Nothing wrong.”

Duffy: “Okay Commissioner thank you for your time.”

Falcão: “Okay thank you I appreciate that also. Sorry for the question I didn’t answer. It’s difficult to talk over the phone. I’m not good at the language.”

Duffy: “But given that you raised the question you didn’t answer, do you regret, are you sorry that you let the cameras in to a 71 year old man in distress?

Falcão: “No, I didn’t authorise that, I didn’t. It was a problem with the hotel security.”

Duffy: “And also, do you carry a gun?”

Falcão: “ I can tell you, I didn’t like what happened.”

Duffy: “Well then why didn’t you tell the media, you have a gun on you in the photographs, why didn’t you tell the media to get lost.”

Falcão: “The media were there, a lot of television, they saw the police coming in, they entered in the hotel, security people didn’t stop them, when Pat Hickey was arrested we didn’t put anything on the internet, we went out through the basement because of the media, I authorised this, he asked me can I go out through the basement because of the media and I said, sure, yes.”

Duffy: “And you’re saying Pat Hickey requested that he be taken out of the hotel privately?”

Falcão: “Yes, the basement, I authorised that.”

Duffy: “Commissioner Falcão, lead investigator with the Rio police, thank you.








That's for starters. I'll try and return to this later.

HeidiHeidi

What about that caller (a councillor???) at whom he had an absolute ****-fit, culminating with "I'll calm down if you calm down" while yer man hadn't got a word in edgeways in the previous five minutes?

Can't believe I can't remember the exact details of it.

ETA - found it! http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=b9%5F10624334%5F53%5F23%2D09%2D2016%5F

It all kicks off in the last 10 or 15 minutes. Lahvline gold!!

foggy_lad

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

What about that caller (a councillor???) at whom he had an absolute ****-fit, culminating with "I'll calm down if you calm down" while yer man hadn't got a word in edgeways in the previous five minutes?

Can't believe I can't remember the exact details of it.

ETA - found it! http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=b9%5F10624334%5F53%5F23%2D09%2D2016%5F

It all kicks off in the last 10 or 15 minutes. Lahvline gold!!

Joey was annoyed at the councillor calling a Nigerian woman's baby a canary but the councillor Never said that, he said the woman almost had a canary when she found out she had been brought to a hospital in the north to have her baby because she wanted the baby born in Ireland, obviously for economic reasons. Joeys head nearly spun him into orbit that afternoon:D

Just listened to the Brazillian piece again and he really can't string a full sentence together not even when he's asking important questions!

http://www.rte.ie/cspodcasts/media.mp3?c1=2&c2=16951747&ns_site=test&ns_type=clickin&rte_vs_ct=aud&rte_vs_sc=pod&rte_mt_sec=radio&rte_vs_sn=radio1&rte_mt_pub_dt=2016-08-25&rte_mt_prg_name=test-liveline&title=Pat%20Hickey%20Arrest&c7=http%3A%2F%2Fpodcast.rasset.ie%2Fpodcasts%2Faudio%2F2016%2F0825%2F20160825_rteradio1-liveline-pathickeya_c21043416_21043421_232_.mp3&r=http%3A%2F%2Fpodcast.rasset.ie%2Fpodcasts%2Faudio%2F2016%2F0825%2F20160825_rteradio1-liveline-pathickeya_c21043416_21043421_232_.mp3

ButtersSuki

foggy_lad wrote: »

Joey was annoyed at the councillor calling a Nigerian woman's baby a canary but the councillor Never said that, he said the woman almost had a canary when she found out she had been brought to a hospital in the north to have her baby because she wanted the baby born in Ireland, obviously for economic reasons. Joeys head nearly spun him into orbit that afternoon:D

Just listened to the Brazillian piece again and he really can't string a full sentence together not even when he's asking important questions!

http://www.rte.ie/cspodcasts/media.mp3?c1=2&c2=16951747&ns_site=test&ns_type=clickin&rte_vs_ct=aud&rte_vs_sc=pod&rte_mt_sec=radio&rte_vs_sn=radio1&rte_mt_pub_dt=2016-08-25&rte_mt_prg_name=test-liveline&title=Pat%20Hickey%20Arrest&c7=http%3A%2F%2Fpodcast.rasset.ie%2Fpodcasts%2Faudio%2F2016%2F0825%2F20160825_rteradio1-liveline-pathickeya_c21043416_21043421_232_.mp3&r=http%3A%2F%2Fpodcast.rasset.ie%2Fpodcasts%2Faudio%2F2016%2F0825%2F20160825_rteradio1-liveline-pathickeya_c21043416_21043421_232_.mp3

Joe: wat colour was de canary?

Red Kev

Joe's buke, the one that had to be printed abroad to ensure that the great unwashed could buy it for €20, is now on sale in Easons in Athlone for €31.60.

I don't look out for it, but I've only ever seen it for €22, €25 or €29.99, never for the much desired €20 that he has so often promoted on his show mentioned.

Incidentally, the ones he flogs for cash at his "events", I presume he declares this and pays full corporate tax on it. Not that he's flogging them for cash and omitting to tell the revenue as is standard practice in that branch (I know a couple of writers and that's the way it works).



*Picture is of the back of it, but includes the ISBN number for de verifucationing, so to speak.

foggy_lad

Red Kev wrote: »

Joe's buke, the one that had to be printed abroad to ensure that the great unwashed could buy it for €20, is now on sale in Easons in Athlone for €31.60.

I don't look out for it, but I've only ever seen it for €22, €25 or €29.99, never for the much desired €20 that he has so often promoted on his show mentioned.

Incidentally, the ones he flogs for cash at his "events", I presume he declares this and pays full corporate tax on it. Not that he's flogging them for cash and omitting to tell the revenue as is standard practice in that branch (I know a couple of writers and that's the way it works).

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b465/k207d/DSC_0017_zps0jfsnop7.jpg
*Picture is of the back of it, but includes the ISBN number for de verifucationing, so to speak.

Loving that "Hatchette job buuks Ireland" and I would imagine Joe is thinking in pounds of sterling in his wallette rather than Nasty Euros

Expunge

Duffy: “And also, do you carry a gun?”

Falcão: “ I can tell you, I didn’t like what happened.”

Duffy: “Well then why didn’t you tell the media, you have a gun on you in the photographs, why didn’t you tell the media to get lost.”

That's it... right there.
All the other 'auld guff' he does be goin on with for 400,000 Euro plus is one thing, so to speak.
But wondering why a senior law enforcement officer didn't threaten members of the media to "get lost" with a fecking gun!!!!

Talk about bringing RTE into disrepute. It's sackable, I would have thought.

Is that fool a member of any NUJ chapel and if he is, has he not been disciplined by them or had his membership revoked for such a line of questioning?

Red Kev

Expunge wrote: »

Duffy: “And also, do you carry a gun?”

Falcão: “ I can tell you, I didn’t like what happened.”

Duffy: “Well then why didn’t you tell the media, you have a gun on you in the photographs, why didn’t you tell the media to get lost.”

That's it... right there.
All the other 'auld guff' he does be goin on with for 400,000 Euro plus is one thing, so to speak.
But wondering why a senior law enforcement officer didn't threaten members of the media to "get lost" with a fecking gun!!!!

Talk about bringing RTE into disrepute. It's sackable, I would have thought.

Is that fool a member of any NUJ chapel and if he is, has he not been disciplined by them or had his membership revoked for such a line of questioning?

No, he's not a member of the NUJ. You don't need any basic qualification to be a broadcaster.

You don't need to be talented, have any kind of formal training, you don't need to be literate, understandable in any language or have any technical know-how (D'Arcy and his button pushing springs to mind here).

Having a good nanny like RTE backing you up is a help, but not necessary either.


On the subject of that Rio police interview, did anybody ever ask Veronica Guerin's family what they think of Joe's suggestion that the media should be threatened with guns as one sees fit.

Expunge

It's hard to believe that in a place like RTE, where there are hundreds of NUJ members, I'd imagine, that no one would have a word to say on this.

We're led to believe that it's in increasingly dangerous world for journos - reporting on conflict and such like.

How can they not have made a stink about such a thing being said by a contractor for the same company?

As for the Guerins... well Jimmy seems to be on the speed dial along with Mannix, John from Cork, Mary from Monaghan etc. so he may not want to put the boot into his mate.

pc7

I always feel worried when I agree with a Shinners, but he's quite good at his point.

foggy_lad

Joe has taken his lavhe lahne tune back

McDermotX

Brilliant stuff from the opening caller.

Oops69

"Expunge , expunge " , joes screaming at the radio now and cracking up .